California shooting and usefulness of escorts

[gan]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/california-shootings-victims-all-uc-santa-barbara-students-1.2653517

Lonely virgin 22 year old guy kills 6 people because he was not able to have sex. What a tragedy!

I really think this could have been avoided if he had paid an escort to have sex. What do you guys think?

 

[Fred Zed]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/california-shootings-victims-all-uc-santa-barbara-students-1.2653517

Lonely virgin 22 year old guy kills 6 people because he was not able to have sex. What a tragedy!

I really think this could have been avoided if he had paid an escort to have sex. What do you guys think?

Since he never paid an escort to have sex we will never know for sure.
My sense is the pyscho knew about escorts but probably thought he was too special to pay for sex.

 

[Batista Mason]

The guy was also narcissist, he asked why ugly people get to have a girlfriend but not him. I actually think its would had been dangerous for a Escort with someone like him.

He has a YouTube channel with lots of videos that are disturbing because he stalking couples and keep saying stuff like ''Look at those lovely couple... yet I am still alone''.

 

[hungry101]

These killers crave attention. They know that they will garner more attention in their death then they ever will in their miserable lives. The media needs to stop giving them the attention they desire. Do not say their names, show their pictures, interview their classmates and neighbors etc. and most of all stop wondering why. You pull something like this and you deserve to die an anonymous death. 24-hour non-stop cable news is at fault by giving them the attention they crave.

BTW - He could have hopped on the bus and went down to San Diego and got a great piece of ass over in Tijuana for under 100$ including the girl, the room, and a beer if this is what he wanted.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I really think this could have been avoided if he had paid an escort to have sex. What do you guys think?

According to what he wrote and his video he was seeking a girlfriend, not casual sex. In any event it is difficult to apply the logic of a normal and rational thinking person to someone who has mental health issues and is obviously delusional.

I agree that the media by repeating his name and agenda heroicizes the perpetrator to others who have similar agendas of "retribution" against the world for perceived slights. The media is in part to blame because they give attention to these sickos and promote their actions.

 

[UNIVAC]

Just looking at his pic you can tell there is something wrong.

 

[Merlot]

I really think this could have been avoided if he had paid an escort to have sex. What do you guys think?

Gan,

Here on this board we think nothing of "paying for it". It's just another alternative. We forget that for many status regarding sexual prowess is about not paying for it. For many, paying for it is for those who can't cut it otherwise. And, if it's about having a girlfriend it's not all about sex. Feeling alone may have been more important. So there's no telling whether seeing escorts would have done more than delay the tragedy. He might possibly have seen paying for sex as part of a failure to find a girlfriend, and then paying for sex changes nothing.

If you look at the link Gan provided you will see some responses at the bottom. A blogger named EJDOWLING82 makes a more pertinent point:

"Where oh where is social media guru's comments/apologies in any of this?? It is unbelievable to me how soooo much pain and RED FLAGS have had to precede tragedy and loss of life. In my opinion, social media ITSELF is a mental health problem. Its also proven itself as a cry for help. Problem is, we don't know how to deal with it. Facebook? Youtube? Instagram? Step up here."

Sure it's hard to know if what was displayed by the eventual killer might be translated into a real killing tragedy. But are all of those people participating in social media seeing this as entertainment without thinking of the possible consequences of what the videos that were posted really mean? Of course now you can say reporting suspicious videos is ineffective since the police seem to have botched catching the wannabe killer when they went to his place and failed to look around for themselves. I suppose they needed a warrant that would have been difficult to get without real due cause. But I still wonder why all those social media watchers don't seem to think threatening postings like the ones by Rodgers generally aren't worth doing something about???

I don't see the media as making heroes of anyone by reporting this tragedy. Rodgers is being exposed as monstrous. Reporting might spur others who are just as sick, but exposing these things might make more people react sooner and prevent such things...unless EJDOWLING82 is more right than wrong about what kind of people persist in participating in social media. Maybe next time knowledge of what was missed will make the police go in and see the tragedy about to happen. But then of course there will be those screaming about their gun rights and dismissing the threat to innocent lives...pfffsssst.



Merlot

 

[EagerBeaver]

Merlot

Just reporting on the deeds makes them heroes in the minds of the twisted. The Sandy Hook shooter and others who have committed like deeds have cited the Columbine shooters as their inspiration. Why are they an inspiration? Because they are famous or infamous. The fact that the deeds reported are monstrous is irrelevant. Do not apply rational thinking to the mind of a depraved individual whose goal is to seek attention.

 

[Lily from Montreal]

Very interesting Merlot, and I might add that even with those who do accept the idea of paying for sex I've lost track of how many ,usually pretty young ones ,who told me ''I should be the one paying them...''damn the cougar concept loll

A few year ago I was accepting to meet a bit as a cougar you could say ,and I once had a torrid session with a very pretty guy who then kept asking to see me for free because ''I had so much fun last time?...''

Some minds are not wired properly...

 

[EagerBeaver]

Merlot,

Here is Elliot Rodger's final video. Do you really think this nutjob, if he were still alive, could have followed the rational thought processes of you or anyone else posting in this thread?

VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-barbara-shooter-sick-words-article-1.1804761

I read somewhere that the father of this kid is a Hollywood director. I am wondering whether, since he was in long term treatment for his mental health issues, we will soon see a spate of lawsuits against the parents, therapists etc. I am not familiar with California law on this point but I know that the tort law of California has been precedent setting in many areas. I also know that there is a legal duty to go to the authorities if the parents or therapists knew of the same threats articulated in this video and did nothing. An attorney has the same duty and it overrides the attorney-client privilege if the threat is to commit imminent serious bodily injury or death upon on another person.

I have a feeling that whomever gave this nutty kid guns is going to have some answering to do, although I will agree that if he had been denied guns, probably would not have mattered and he would have made homemade bombs.

 

[Merlot]

Merlot,

Here is Elliot Rodger's final video. Do you really think this nutjob, if he were still alive, could have followed the rational thought processes of you or anyone else posting in this thread?

EB,

I've never considered anything about him rational, so why is that even in question. The fact that he's nuts defeats your previous assumption that he might have taken his cues to kill anyone from the previous actions of others. Listening to his egocentric assertions shows the guy is totally absorbed by his own selfish perceptions of wrong he thinks was done to him, as he perversely sees it. So being a 22 year-old virgin means he needs to take revenge by killing everyone. He comes off as a disturbed cry-baby in the video with no sense of logic or self-responsibility for whom nothing else matters but his sadly self-perceived ruined life. He's not taking cues on killing from anyone.

When you say the Sandy Hook monster and his kind took his inspiration from the Columbine Massacre you're accepting the justifications of someone you say is very sick. As a legal professional would you really base the truth on what a homicidal nutcase says is his excuse for a monstrous act? Where did the Columbine monsters get their inspiration?

The truth is they were all very sick and determined to kill. The accessibility and ease of use made guns their choice of tools to carry out these tragedies. They don't need other psycho killers as models. If they needed any models on how to kill at all, all they needed was to read anything on the effectiveness of firearms, see any of thousands of movies to see that on both sides, either the heroes and villains can kill very effectively with guns. It's the effectiveness of the tool itself that provides the idea for a sick mind, not whether good guys or bad guys are using them. For these guys "Rambo" is as much inspiration as Columbine.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[saltydog]

Three were killed with a knife. Maybe we should outlaw them. What about the people he ran down with a car?

 

[hungry101]

Good point Saltydog. In fact outlaw forks too. We all eat food that has been pre-cut into small pieces by the government using a spork. Outlaw cars while your at it. We can all take the train. You can't run anyone over on purpose with a train....unless you jump the tracks.

 

[gan]

Yes, we will never know. And also true that we are talking about a mentally disturbed person. But there is always a tipping point to such acts. Having sex a few times even if paid could have delayed that tipping point. Never having kissed a girl and repeating that negative story and victim mentality in your head just speeds up the final outburst. Like a pressure cooker with a valve to let off steam from time to time. Many of us have found ways to deal with frustrations in life by letting them off safely in some shape or form

But yeah, that guy just had a poor upbringing - excessive narcissism, entitlement, racism coupled with asperger's is a recipe for disaster. Except for asperger's the other things should have been dealt with early on by his parents.

 

[Vajatron]

"One failed attempt at a shoe bomb, and we all take off our shoes at the airport. Thirty-one school shootings since Columbine and no change in our regulation of guns.” — John Oliver

 

[saltydog]

This guy was passed over by his psychiatrist, his parents, and the police. Not one of them thought he was a danger till it was too late. The knife, gun, or car was not at fault. Back in the day we used to have county mental health wards. Due to lack of money, and the care not being what it should be, but mostly lack of money, most if not all have been closed, and the inmates set free. The elephant in the room here in the States is lack of mental health care. That and now if you were to seek help, you will be branded for life. We need to realize that not everything or everyone is fixable. Some people, no matter what age they are should be just locked up, and the key tossed.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Great points saltydog, and the exact same things were said after the Sandy Hook incident which also involved a mentally ill person. There are economic and social reasons for it, but we are seeing shootings perpetrated by individuals who in years past would be institutionalized. They have easy access to guns, but if it were not guns it would be something else. The real issue is the failure to institutionalize these persons due to the costs of same and the belief that the financial costs and stigmatization of institutionalizing outweighs the benefits of it.

Only way it will be fixed is by lawsuits against parents, therapists, and others who are entrusted with the care and control of these sickos.

 

[hungry101]

When did all the mental health wards and institutions phased out? wasn't it a number of years ago? Was it a phase out because people thought that they were cruel? Do we still have institutions such as depicted in the movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? Was it a lack of funding issue or did society decide that this was cruel?

 

[anon_vlad]

There is a reason that armies have been equipping their soldiers with guns for centuries. Guns are far more efficient at killing than, for example, knives. It is effortless to push the trigger of a gun and kill from afar, but it would be impossible to pursue, catch and slaughter dozens of individuals with any weapon other than a gun. Certainly knives, automobiles and even shovels, lamps, glass bottles and electric wiring can kill, but that it is hardly their only purpose. A gun has a single function. It is bizarre that it is far more difficult to obtain a license for an automobile than it is to obtain a gun in the US. By the way, hunting knives, switch blades and other obvious weapons are restricted in Canada.

The raison d'être for the Second Amendment was to enable local militias to protect themselves against tyranny. Does anybody seriously believe that allowing individuals to carry guns into bars and churches (as some states do) is going to empower individuals against a hypothetical future dictatorial government?

 

[saltydog]

Many gun control advocates ask why individuals need guns. They state who is going to stand against modern army and fight a dictator. My question is if that is the case why do they then say we need the arm Libya or Syria against their dictators. In the United States or Canada or for that matter anywhere in the world anything can be bought on the black market so if you want to gun you can go get it.Making guns illegal will only keep them out of the hands of law abiding citizens.