"It was a professional hit" was a factual statement? based on what? I'll retract my comment and apologize if you can support that statement based on any info currently available.
Charlie Kirk shot dead today
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Thats a fair statement. At the end of the day its clear as day that no government world is capable of A making good on their promises and B improving anything for the long term. And anytime someone tries its to divided and nothing ever passes.
Makes you think
Not necessary to retract, based on what i saw and whats being shown and reported, its professional and not random . If its not that way ill stand corrected but from what im seeing its not a random shot
Just to update hes been interrogated and released
If anything, you're doing just as Kirk would want.
“I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made up new are term, and it does a lot of damage.” - Charlie Kirk
Well you just need to look at some of the posters here on another thread and you can use the same example. Some of the things written are heartfelt it seemsIf you want to go that route we shallI will copy paste my answer from Twitter on this very subject
Pointing out one MAGA supporter’s actions doesn’t erase the abundant political violence coming from the left. Extremes exist on both sides, but the left keeps proving this consistently and daily on Reddit, Bluesky, and X - cheering on events like Charlie Kirk’s death. They celebrate the violence and deaths of political pundits or politicians and openly boast about it on social media, which isn’t typical of the right.
A prime example was when Trump was elected and the left feared losing abortion rights lol - they took to social media talking about stabbing him, cutting off his genitals or even assassinating him.
And what happened today further demonstrates how they’re happy Charlie is dead. They love resorting to violence when they cannot debate things.
Let’s not forget about these milestones:
- June 14, 2017 – Congressional Baseball Shooting (Alexandria, VA): James Hodgkinson, a left-leaning extremist, opened fire on Republican lawmakers during practice. Rep. Steve Scalise was critically wounded, along with others injured.
- July 2017 - Portland, Oregon, protests: Multiple clashes between Antifa and conservative demonstrators. Several conservatives were assaulted, some with knives and blunt objects, during street protests and rallies.
- August 2017 - Berkeley, California, “Free Speech” protests: Far-left extremists attacked conservative speakers and attendees, using bats, pepper spray, and other weapons. Several conservatives were hospitalized.
- 2020 - Nationwide anti-GOP office attacks: During the summer protests, multiple Republican offices were vandalized, and staff reported being threatened with knives or firearms. Notable incidents occurred in Portland, OR, and Austin, TX.
- June 2022 - Supreme Court threats post-Dobbs decision: Following the overturning of Roe v. Wade, extreme leftists issued credible threats, including calls for stabbing or shooting Republican-appointed justices.
- oh president Trump’s assassination attempt.
Charlie Kirk in response to Nancy Pelosi's husband being attacked and beaten
“And by the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out … Bail him out, and then go ask him some questions.”
Charlie Kirk regarding children dying in school shootings
“I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights.”
Charlie Kirk regarding empathy
“I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made up new term, and it does a lot of damage.”
People are simply showing the same amount of empathy that Kirk showed to children, his political opponents and anyone that "suffers" from empathy.
“And by the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out … Bail him out, and then go ask him some questions.”
Charlie Kirk regarding children dying in school shootings
“I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights.”
Charlie Kirk regarding empathy
“I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made up new term, and it does a lot of damage.”
People are simply showing the same amount of empathy that Kirk showed to children, his political opponents and anyone that "suffers" from empathy.
I mean Charlie Kirk saying Taylor Swift should submit to Kelce or the fact Palestinian people that they are no such thing…
Not sure how heart felt he was as a human either?
Disregard for woman’s rights
Disregard of a group of people facing oppression
It’s ok to sacrifice a few kids for the second amendment.
No biggie
Well, it's clearly not random because it was targeted and done with intent. I'm just not willing to jump to the conclusion that it's professional, or that it's terrorism, or that it was an angry ex-girlfriend, or that it was unhappy Joe Blow next door without knowing who the assailant was and at least having some background information or some statement or any type of info that might indicate who and why. As far as I can tell none of that is available at the moment.
You sure about that? Remember when Pelosi's husband was beaten with a hammer? Republican twitter remembers.
And incase it wasn't clear, that Halloween costume tweet was from Trump Jr., the Nightmare on Walz street was from the Senator of Utah. Do you think Lee is making similar jokes now? Probably not.
It's one thing for random twitter accounts to be making tasteless jokes. Completely different when it's the government.
It's one thing for random twitter accounts to be making tasteless jokes. Completely different when it's the government.
As i stated earlier;
I’m not a fan of either extreme. One thing I will say, though: I’ll never celebrate someone’s death or an attack on anyone - no matter what political side they’re on. That kind of extremist mindset is something I’ll never stand behind. A great example is how I get criticized from the right for being a “hoe,” like that defines my whole personality or that I can’t think for myself on certain topics - as if my values must automatically align with my work. It’s wild.
I don’t associate with any political party because, honestly, they’re all corrupt. But if I had to choose the lesser of two evils, I lean more conservative these days.
However, over the years, I’ve grown extremely intolerant of the left and their antics and gaslighting of the whole population.
For context: I’m actually an ex-liberal. You know, one of those people who used to get labeled “crazy” for being into; free speech, open debate or individual autonomy.
Over time, I started noticing that the values which once felt foundational to liberalism (skepticism of power, support for dissent, respect for personal freedom) were being sidelined or redefined in ways that made less and less sense to me.
Some of the other reasons I walked away from liberalism:
- Free speech started to feel conditional.
The same circles that once championed “I may not agree with what you say, but I’ll defend your right to say it” began to embrace censorship, de-platforming, and social shaming - not just for hate speech, but for disagreement. Even mild dissent or questions could get you labeled a bigot, a fascist, or worse.
- Identity politics became a litmus test.
There was a shift from championing equal treatment to obsessing over race, gender, and identity in ways that felt reductive and even divisive. I started to feel like the individual didn’t matter anymore - only your group identity did. That didn’t sit right with me.
- The redefinition of “tolerance.”
Ironically, the more progressive spaces started to form, the less room there was for ideological diversity. Tolerance seemed to mean “we welcome you as long as you agree with us.” It felt less like a movement for justice and more like a cult.
- Science and objectivity became optional.
I saw movements increasingly reject data, biology, and open inquiry in favor of ideological orthodoxy. If evidence contradicted the narrative, the evidence had to go. That’s a dangerous mindset - no matter where it comes from.
- Victimhood and virtue signalling.
There’s now cultural currency in being offended or oppressed, and some movements have turned this into a hierarchy - where your moral authority depends on your perceived victimhood.
- Hypocrisy around power and institutions.
I watched liberals go from distrusting government overreach ... to cheering on censorship and surveillance. As long as it came from the right institutions or targeted the wrong people.
^^^To name a few hahaha^^^
Going back to Charlie, as I also stated — I didn’t agree with everything he said. But many of the things he touched on were common-sense topics that today’s world often seems to overlook or reject. We live in a democracy (something I feel like some people tend to forget), where freedom of speech isn’t just a nice idea - it’s a fundamental right.
That means we’re free to have open, sometimes uncomfortable debates without fear of censorship or backlash. It means different opinions (even unpopular or challenging ones) deserve to be heard and discussed. That’s how societies grow, learn, and improve.
Yet, increasingly, it feels like disagreement is treated as an attack, and conversations get shut down instead of opened up.
Charlie’s willingness to tackle these tough conversations at times even if imperfectly reminds me of the value of honest dialogue. (I now fear for others who do this)
Celebrating a person’s death shows just how cowardly some people are. It’s the easiest and lowest way to express disagreement: attacking or cheering someone on when they’re no longer able to defend themselves.
I wasn't commenting on any of this stuff, nor judging people's general political leanings or preferences, except at the extremes of either side of the spectrum. My point was simply that either side saying "you do this and we don't" is full of shit, because the left and the right are both equally guilty of some truly abhorrent behaviour and celebrating the setbacks of the other. Nobody is innocent here, and I don't think anyone who is honest can honestly say that one side is better than the other in this respect, so where you and I diverge is where you say the left does this and the right doesn't, when they clearly also do. I wasn't talking about political stances for individual policies at all. That's a whole other lengthy and fulsome conversation for each and every one of the issues you mentionedAs i stated earlier;
I’m not a fan of either extreme. One thing I will say, though: I’ll never celebrate someone’s death or an attack on anyone - no matter what political side they’re on. That kind of extremist mindset is something I’ll never stand behind. A great example is how I get criticized from the right for being a “hoe,” like that defines my whole personality or that I can’t think for myself on certain topics - as if my values must automatically align with my work. It’s wild.
I don’t associate with any political party because, honestly, they’re all corrupt. But if I had to choose the lesser of two evils, I lean more conservative these days.
However, over the years, I’ve grown extremely intolerant of the left and their antics and gaslighting of the whole population.
For context: I’m actually an ex-liberal. You know, one of those people who used to get labeled “crazy” for being into; free speech, open debate or individual autonomy.
Over time, I started noticing that the values which once felt foundational to liberalism (skepticism of power, support for dissent, respect for personal freedom) were being sidelined or redefined in ways that made less and less sense to me.
Some of the other reasons I walked away from liberalism:
- Free speech started to feel conditional.
The same circles that once championed “I may not agree with what you say, but I’ll defend your right to say it” began to embrace censorship, de-platforming, and social shaming - not just for hate speech, but for disagreement. Even mild dissent or questions could get you labeled a bigot, a fascist, or worse.
- Identity politics became a litmus test.
There was a shift from championing equal treatment to obsessing over race, gender, and identity in ways that felt reductive and even divisive. I started to feel like the individual didn’t matter anymore - only your group identity did. That didn’t sit right with me.
- The redefinition of “tolerance.”
Ironically, the more progressive spaces started to form, the less room there was for ideological diversity. Tolerance seemed to mean “we welcome you as long as you agree with us.” It felt less like a movement for justice and more like a cult.
- Science and objectivity became optional.
I saw movements increasingly reject data, biology, and open inquiry in favor of ideological orthodoxy. If evidence contradicted the narrative, the evidence had to go. That’s a dangerous mindset - no matter where it comes from.
- Victimhood and virtue signalling.
There’s now cultural currency in being offended or oppressed, and some movements have turned this into a hierarchy - where your moral authority depends on your perceived victimhood.
- Hypocrisy around power and institutions.
I watched liberals go from distrusting government overreach ... to cheering on censorship and surveillance. As long as it came from the right institutions or targeted the wrong people.
^^^To name a few hahaha^^^
Going back to Charlie, as I also stated — I didn’t agree with everything he said. But many of the things he touched on were common-sense topics that today’s world often seems to overlook or reject. We live in a democracy (something I feel like some people tend to forget), where freedom of speech isn’t just a nice idea - it’s a fundamental right.
That means we’re free to have open, sometimes uncomfortable debates without fear of censorship or backlash. It means different opinions (even unpopular or challenging ones) deserve to be heard and discussed. That’s how societies grow, learn, and improve.
Yet, increasingly, it feels like disagreement is treated as an attack, and conversations get shut down instead of opened up.
Charlie’s willingness to tackle these tough conversations at times even if imperfectly reminds me of the value of honest dialogue. (I now fear for others who do this)
Celebrating a person’s death shows just how cowardly some people are. It’s the easiest and lowest way to express disagreement: attacking or cheering someone on when they’re no longer able to defend themselves.
People say messed-up things, and yeah some are straight-up assholes.
I don’t know where all these quotes are from, and honestly, half the time the internet loves paraphrasing, taking things out of context, and running with half a story.
The point is - cheering on someone’s death is just wrong. I don’t care who it is or what side they were on.
Sure, the right have done it too, no doubt. But what I’ve seen from the radical left? It’s often ten times worse - louder, more vicious, and somehow more accepted in mainstream circles. That kind of reaction doesn’t make you righteous or “on the right side of history” - it makes you cruel.
I know, haha. Just logged on and felt chatty for a second. Thought I’d share my ongoing disdain for the left and how they’ve become a byproduct of so many of the issues we’re seeing today. My old clan is embarassing me.
Off-topic but: Take the recent stabbing of Iryna on that bus, for example.
All the DEI and progressive nonsense helped create the environment where that kind of thing can happen. And let’s be honest, if the perpetrator had been white, the media would’ve exploded. There’d be non-stop coverage, protests, outrage.
But because it doesn’t fit the mainstream narrative? Silence.
But that's for another thread haha^^
I’m reminded why I don’t come on Merb much… and why I usually dip after a bit.
Tata
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Last thing because this also slipped my mind:
The people that called people fascist for the last 8 years are celebrating someone being killed for political reasons....
You can't make this shit up
Goodnight. I wish you all lots of seggs.
The people that called people fascist for the last 8 years are celebrating someone being killed for political reasons....
You can't make this shit up
Goodnight. I wish you all lots of seggs.
I don’t see how anyone either left or right can celebrate the murder of someone else, what happened to just being human.
I despise politicians and politics in general.
I hated Biden because he was nothing more than a a puppet who barely could remember his name.
I hate Trump because he is an egotistical asshole and a horrible human being and has gone completely insane with his tariffs trying to hold the whole world hostage.
Unfortunately the US has a love relationship with firearms regardless of which party they vote for, and there are more in the hands of citizens than all the rest of the world put together.
I hate guns and don’t see a need for them in a normal country ( the US is anything but normal when it comes to guns) especially automatic fire arms that are capable of killing hundreds in a matter of minutes, That type of weapon is not for self défense or for hunting it is for slaughtering people nothing else.
Unfortunately as much as I hate guns if I lived permanently in the US I would probably own a handgun for self défense there is just so much potential for violence and crime happening there that you are left with no other choice.
I despise politicians and politics in general.
I hated Biden because he was nothing more than a a puppet who barely could remember his name.
I hate Trump because he is an egotistical asshole and a horrible human being and has gone completely insane with his tariffs trying to hold the whole world hostage.
Unfortunately the US has a love relationship with firearms regardless of which party they vote for, and there are more in the hands of citizens than all the rest of the world put together.
I hate guns and don’t see a need for them in a normal country ( the US is anything but normal when it comes to guns) especially automatic fire arms that are capable of killing hundreds in a matter of minutes, That type of weapon is not for self défense or for hunting it is for slaughtering people nothing else.
Unfortunately as much as I hate guns if I lived permanently in the US I would probably own a handgun for self défense there is just so much potential for violence and crime happening there that you are left with no other choice.
Meh. The right has been calling the left "communist" for the last 8 years. Like I said before, everybody's guilty! lol.
Except for one man who very intentinonnaly pushes division and always talks about Us vs Them. I guess its not indirectly his fault, that would be wrong to say.
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