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Neither side has done fuck all to change anything and they have both had their shot at being in power.
The reality is that Americans in general are in love with their gun culture and will cling to it.
It is basically political suicide for either party to try to ban guns or to put meaningful restrictions.

Keep the prayers and thoughts going though they have all practiced that speech well.
Stop trying to blame both sides. Democrats having been trying for decades to pass sensible gun safety legislation. Republicans block it each and every time. Fortunately, I live in a blue state with strict gun safety laws and our gun deaths are one of the lowest in the country.
 

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I do blame the weapons and the republicans who object to each and every gun safety solutions.
But here’s the thing: if someone saved your life with a gun, you’d be grateful. You wouldn’t blame the weapon - you’d thank the person holding it.

But when a bad man with a gun does something horrific, suddenly it’s not his fault.
It’s the gun. It’s society. It’s his political beliefs. It’s everything except the choices he/she made.

So we should stop blaming the guns and start holding people accountable instead maybe? Especially the politicians that advocate for soft on crime policies.

Same thing with my knife analogy at the beginning of this thread:
When there’s a stabbing, no one calls for a worldwide ban on knives. We don’t hear politicians demanding “knife control.” No one rebrands them as “assault knives.” It’s treated as what it is - a tragic incident caused by a violent individual. And then everyone moves on.

But when a gun is involved, suddenly the conversation shifts. It’s not just about the person who pulled the trigger it’s about the tool they used.
 

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But here’s the thing: if someone saved your life with a gun, you’d be grateful. You wouldn’t blame the weapon - you’d thank the person holding it.

But when a bad man with a gun does something horrific, suddenly it’s not his fault.
It’s the gun. It’s society. It’s his political beliefs. It’s everything except the choices he/she made.

So we should stop blaming the guns and start holding people accountable instead maybe? Especially the politicians that advocate for soft on crime policies.

Same thing with my knife analogy at the beginning of this thread:
When there’s a stabbing, no one calls for a worldwide ban on knives. We don’t hear politicians demanding “knife control.” No one rebrands them as “assault knives.” It’s treated as what it is - a tragic incident caused by a violent individual. And then everyone moves on.

But when a gun is involved, suddenly the conversation shifts. It’s not just about the person who pulled the trigger it’s about the tool they used.
A knife has many uses. A knife can't kill a dozen people in a matter of minutes (unless they're REALLY good with a knife). You see someone attacking people with a knife, you can run.

Guns have a very limited purpose - hunting, killing and providing defense against being killed. If someone's shooting people, there's no outrunning that. Firing back, that's a gamble. Most likely just going to end up getting shot by the attacker.

The whole good guy with a gun thing is kind of silly. If every single person at the Kirk rally had a gun, they still wouldn't have been able to stop the assassin. Same goes for JFK, MLK, Malcom X, etc... At best, they'd be able to shoot the assassin afterwards.

A gun can kill people from pretty far away. I don't think many people could kill someone with a knife from 200 yards.

If we going to go down the road of "Knives can kill too, so gun control is pointless"... where's it end? Can I have a rocket launcher? It's no different than a butter knife, right? You could kill someone with a butter knife, therefore I should be able to launch missiles from my backyard.
 

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But here’s the thing: if someone saved your life with a gun, you’d be grateful. You wouldn’t blame the weapon - you’d thank the person holding it.

But when a bad man with a gun does something horrific, suddenly it’s not his fault.
It’s the gun. It’s society. It’s his political beliefs. It’s everything except the choices he/she made.

So we should stop blaming the guns and start holding people accountable instead maybe? Especially the politicians that advocate for soft on crime policies.

Same thing with my knife analogy at the beginning of this thread:
When there’s a stabbing, no one calls for a worldwide ban on knives. We don’t hear politicians demanding “knife control.” No one rebrands them as “assault knives.” It’s treated as what it is - a tragic incident caused by a violent individual. And then everyone moves on.

But when a gun is involved, suddenly the conversation shifts. It’s not just about the person who pulled the trigger it’s about the tool they used.
You're not entirely wrong, and yes it's hypocritical to absolve one weapon and not the other. Having said that, there's practical reasons to address guns first. The most important is that guns is a bigger problem. Gun deaths represent 13.7 deaths per 100K and stabbing deaths represent 0.53 per 100K, making guns a 27X greater problem than knives. Secondly, there's practicality. Knives serve a variety of domestic purposes and are indispensable in normal households. Guns serve a useful domestic purpose only in terms of hunting for food, which most people don't do, so the absence of a firearm is less impactful than the absence of knives for the average household. Also, guns can act over large distances whereas knives can't, making knives less useful as assassination tools, and because of the arms length reach less useful for mass killing than guns are. Basically, from a moral and logical standpoint there's virtually no difference between guns and knives as potential weapons, but from a practical standpoint there's a vast chasm between the two as to what needs to be addressed first. Also, the political implications can't be ignored, as the knife issue is less of a political flashpoint and not as good for public sound bites. I personally view knives as a more dangerous weapon generally, but it seems clear that guns are a bigger problem.
 

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Stop trying to blame both sides. Democrats having been trying for decades to pass sensible gun safety legislation. Republicans block it each and every time. Fortunately, I live in a blue state with strict gun safety laws and our gun deaths are one of the lowest in the country.
Nah both sides were in power and did fuck all about it.
Only you with your one sided complete hatred cannot think past it.
The only thing you do is pile one hate post after another on Trump and Republicans, and then bitch about how divided the country is lol.
Your blue states have countless gun killings need I name some of your blue states and cities that have the worst crime and gun killings, Chicago, New York, Los Angelas.
You can have your blue states and guns and Americas whole fucked up love affair with firearms.
 
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You are right but it would be pretty difficult to kill hundreds within a matter of minutes by one lunatic armed with a knife or rocks.
Btw you can run away from a guy armed with a knife or rocks, hard to do when he is wielding a military automatic weapon, but yeah it is humans that kill ..
So let’s make it easy for them so they can’t do it more effectively.

But here’s the thing: if someone saved your life with a gun, you’d be grateful. You wouldn’t blame the weapon - you’d thank the person holding it.

But when a bad man with a gun does something horrific, suddenly it’s not his fault.
It’s the gun. It’s society. It’s his political beliefs. It’s everything except the choices he/she made.

So we should stop blaming the guns and start holding people accountable instead maybe? Especially the politicians that advocate for soft on crime policies.

Same thing with my knife analogy at the beginning of this thread:
When there’s a stabbing, no one calls for a worldwide ban on knives. We don’t hear politicians demanding “knife control.” No one rebrands them as “assault knives.” It’s treated as what it is - a tragic incident caused by a violent individual. And then everyone moves on.

But when a gun is involved, suddenly the conversation shifts. It’s not just about the person who pulled the trigger it’s about the tool they used.

It's extremely rare in USA that mass murders are made with knives, I cant think of one, perhaps I am wrong.
In Canada, it happenned in Manitoba a couple of years ago in First Nation villages. But not in the same close neighborhood.
 

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Nah both sides were in power and did fuck all about it.
Only you with your one sided complete hatred cannot think past it.
The only thing you do is pile one hate post after another on Trump and Republicans, and then bitch about how divided the country is lol.
Your blue states have countless gun killings need I name some of your blue states and cities that have the worst crime and gun killings, Chicago, New York, Los Angelas.
You can have your blue states and guns and Americas whole fucked up love affair with firearms.

You named the most populated cities, it's not a surprise they have the most gun killing.
The right comparison would be the murder rate vs the cities population. The same for Blue states vs Red states.
In Canada, you will find more murders in Toronto vs Longueuil !
 
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You named the most populated cities, it's not a surprise they have the most gun killing.
The right comparison would be the murder rate vs the cities population. The same for Blue states vs Red states.
In Canada, you will find more murders in Toronto vs Longueuil !
So what. are you trying to say that gun violence is not a huge problem all over the US.

There is no other country with the amount of gun related crime and killing that comes remotely close to the US and you can throw in the most populated cities in the world in China, India, any country.
Why because all of them put together don’t have the amount of guns in private citizens hands as the US.
Doesn’t take rocket science to figure this out.
 
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A knife has many uses. A knife can't kill a dozen people in a matter of minutes (unless they're REALLY good with a knife). You see someone attacking people with a knife, you can run.
This is why comparing knives to guns is not meant to suggest they’re equivalent, but rather to highlight a flaw in logic.

(You can still try to run if you see someone with a gun btw)
My point is this: someone else with a gun can stop a perpetrator with a knife or another gun. As Charlie said, that’s the price people have to pay because there will always be bad people with weapons who will find ways to do harm… but there are also good people with guns that can stop the bad guys before it gets worse.

The whole good guy with a gun thing is kind of silly. If every single person at the Kirk rally had a gun, they still wouldn't have been able to stop the assassin. Same goes for JFK, MLK, Malcom X, etc...
You are proving my point here. The weapon used was a sniper rifle (built for precision, not rapid fire like an AK or Uzi) and 99% of the time used from high rise vantage points. I guarantee that if the shooter had used an automatic rifle and had been on the premises / in the crowd, another armed individual (be it a bodyguard, security personnel, or even an adult) would’ve taken him down before he got further away with his actions.
(All this gun talk and I wanna fire up my PlayStation and play COD HAHAHAH. My weapon of choice is LMG - big mama)

At best, they'd be able to shoot the assassin afterwards.
Again… who do you think stops the bad guys? You’re literally saying people can shoot a bad guy... (That’s assuming the shooters don’t take their own lives first) ((cowards)).

Let’s apply the same logic to cars:
We don’t ban cars just because accidents happen, or because someone intentionally uses one to harm others. Instead, we hold the driver accountable, revoke licenses for DUIs, arrest those who deliberately target crowds, and implement safety measures to reduce harm.

People die every single day from car accidents (whether as pedestrians or drivers) yet no one is calling for a ban on cars. It’s about responsibility, not removing the tool from everyone. Sadly, accidents or targeted acts of terror will still exist.

So why should it be any different with guns? The focus should be on how the individual got their hands on the weapon, not on banning it from everyone.
 
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Guns alone don't kill. Humans with guns kill.
You're right that there are way too many guns in USA, particularly military like guns.
Correct and purely statistical, the more guns the more likelihood of a psychopath owning a gun and shooting people, whether that statistic is at 0.01% or 0.001%, there will be daily/weekly shootings.
 
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“The politically motivated assassination of Charlie Kirk claimed the life of a husband, father, and American patriot. In the wake of this tragedy, and amid other acts of politically motivated violence, Congress has a duty to oversee the online platforms that radicals have used to advance political violence. To prevent future radicalization and violence, the CEOs of Discord, Steam, Twitch, and Reddit must appear before the Oversight Committee and explain what actions they will take to ensure their platforms are not exploited for nefarious purposes,”


I agree that social media is fucking horrible, but I don't trust this administration to handle it.
Notice that Twitter isn't included? And obviously, Truth Social. No chance in hell the "social media" platform owned by Trump is going to be questioned. And why the fuck is Steam getting called in?
Then there's how this is written. Highlighting Kirk and sidelining everything else to and amid other acts of politically motivated violence.
This is McCarthyism all over again but instead of commies the target is "radicals". Next few years in Amurica are going to be interesting. Really wish they weren't our neighbors.
 

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“The politically motivated assassination of Charlie Kirk claimed the life of a husband, father, and American patriot. In the wake of this tragedy, and amid other acts of politically motivated violence, Congress has a duty to oversee the online platforms that radicals have used to advance political violence. To prevent future radicalization and violence, the CEOs of Discord, Steam, Twitch, and Reddit must appear before the Oversight Committee and explain what actions they will take to ensure their platforms are not exploited for nefarious purposes,”


I agree that social media is fucking horrible, but I don't trust this administration to handle it.
Notice that Twitter isn't included? And obviously, Truth Social. No chance in hell the "social media" platform owned by Trump is going to be questioned. And why the fuck is Steam getting called in?
Then there's how this is written. Highlighting Kirk and sidelining everything else to and amid other acts of politically motivated violence.
This is McCarthyism all over again but instead of commies the target is "radicals". Next few years in Amurica are going to be interesting. Really wish they weren't our neighbors.

*phew* MERB flew under the radar. :)

I had no particular wish to see Charlie Kirk or any other politician (if he can be called a politician) dead, but I honestly I don't give a fuck that he is. If the whole fucking bunch of them fell dead tomorrow I wouldn't give a shit about them personally, although I'd hate the chaos. Still, I'd not advocate just going out and shooting them. Honestly I'd rather just jail almost all of them. I'm going to miss Robert Redford a lot more than I would any of those fuckers if they fell over dead tomorrow. RIP Bob.
 
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Jimmy Kimmel suspended for comments on Kirk shooter! "Pre-empted Indefinitely"
Jimmy kimmel fucking sucked. It’s about time his show is cancelled hahaha.

People made fun of unvaccinated people and got many fired for their status or fired people over the wrong pronoun usage. Now they cry and wonder why they lost their jobs when they mock someone’s assassination. Boooooohooooooooooo whiny lil bitches. You reap what you sow.
 
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