Duos? Should they cost more then 2 girls 2 guys?

[BookerL]

Hi all

Having duos ,menage a trois or threesomes hovever you call it might be lots of fun!
What do you expect pricing wise ?
Normal rates of each SP's
A added premium?

Cheers


Booker

 

[gologill]

For duos with two girls I don't see why you should pay more than the regular price for each girls. And if you go with another budy the price should be higher since the girls will have to double the job :nod:

 

[Halloween Mike]

Yes, like Chris says above... 2 girls 1 guy should be normal rates for the 2 girls... I know that for some girls if they have to perform among themselves its extra, that is to debate, but usually the girls offering duos are friends in the agency or whatever, so they should be at ease with each other. Now if you want them to go all the way together... i supose this may be extra, but for exemple a double BJ or kissing one while you get suck at the same time should be normal rate.

For 2 guys, both guys should pay the hour fee... but i think that does not happen often anyway...

 

[daydreamer41]

Really the price should be less than 2 times the hourly fee. Reasons why:

The agency is booking 2 girls at once utilizing 2 at one place for the same hour.
The logistics is easier. The same driver is making 1 drop off for 2 girls.
LFMJ would charge $20 less for duos and an additional $20 less for more than 2 hours or more, and it was from his agency in which I was first introduced to duos.

So if you book 2 girls which usually go for $200 per hour, it should be $380, and for 2 hours, $720.

But I know there are agencies which charge more thinking they are offering you something you can't get otherwise, but if you do your homework and sho[ around you will find out there are agencies which do give breaks with quality girls.

 

[Halloween Mike]

daydreaming, this is full of logic from a client point of view, but think about this. The driver will get his usual fees, no matter if he get the 2 girls at the same place or not. Even if the same girl get a call at the same place as previous client he get his fee anyway... Unless of course the booker/owner is the driver.. now thats a different thing but big agency must have at least 2 driver if they don't offer incall. Incall is a different story too, if he book the girls incall, no hassle at all.

And finally, we all know the girl will want the same cut anyway, so the agency is the loosing end on all of this, and if he knows he can book these 2 girls easily, maybe even for multiple hours session to some clients, then the incentive of 2 for 1 is not that incentive if its an hour booking...

SO...thats why often they will just charge regular rates.

 

[Lily from Montreal]

Just a comment here...duos are more "work" for the girls...double the interactions if you may...
A bit like meeting couple and fee is (usually) higher when meeting couple vs for meeting a single person,why would a guy expect to pay less when he gets 2 girls is beyond me...maybe I didn't had enough coffee this morning but I do not get the way you guys think sometime...

 

[rollingstone]

I never ask what a fee 'shoud' be, duo or otherwise. The provider is free to define her fees and services, and I am free to choose who I spend my time with.

That being said, I have never opted for a duo where the fee was greater than the sum of fees. I don't pursue them nearly as often as I used to because I find the experience rather impersonal.

 

[nounours_]

I don't know what the price "should" be, but the few times I hired a duo, they were indies who were advertizing a discount so the price of the duo was less than twice the price of one girl. Clearly they enjoyed working together and, in some cases, they felt safer too.

 

[HornyForEver]

I am expecting the price for the duo to be at most the double of a single girl's rate. I had many duos in the past. I used to call Douces Folies in the 2000s. Their rate for a duo was less than the sum of individual SPs rates. they also offered a higher rate if the client required an erotic show (read some interaction between both girls). As far as I remember, other agencies had similar offers.

Most of the duo experiences I had were dissappointing. The rate should be cheaper, because most of the time only one girl is interacting with the client while the other is sitting there not sure exactly what she should be doing. This happened to me also when I went for the "erotic show" packages. Usually, the girls start licking and kissing for about 2 minutes, then they switch to one-girl-at-a-time mode when I join in.

Many of us have heard the expression that "the value of a system is higher than the sum of the values of its parts". Unfortunately, this rule does not apply to duos in most cases. The value of the whole is less than the sum of the values of each escort, booked separately. This is due to the lack of simultaneous interactions between the girls and the client.

As for the driver. I don't see why he should take 2 cuts when driving a duo to a client. Agency drivers are like cab drivers. Cabs charge per trip and not by customer. The cut should be the same whether the chap is driving one girl to a client or 5 girls for a client who is planning an orgy. It is not like the guy will be carrying the girls on his shoulders and the more girls you add the higher his fee is. The only exception I see is when the driver has to pick up girls from their places and driving them to the client.

After all these years, I came to the conclusion that duos should be some kind of fetish. You try it once in a blue moon, but overall it is not worth it.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I've had a few duos over my life (both in the hobby and outside) and my best experiences occurred when the duo was outside the agency setting. I'd meet a couple of girls on a couple of occasions and then they'd offer to see me on the side if i wanted at a much better rate. It was so good that i didn't even feel the need to negotiate. This way, we were more relaxed & took her time, and the fact the price was right meant that i'd repeat with them as often as possible. This way, we got to know one another better and the sex/fantasy part improved as we started getting used to one another.

I haven't had a duo in years, but may give it a try one of these days if i'm with someone i'm comfortable being with and she's open to giving the experience a try. Two sps i'm comfortable with would be great, but these days i'm mostly a one-on-one guy and the girls i know somewhat well don't know one another.

Should duos be priced higher? I say no. In my opinion, duos are generally very overrated. I still prefer the one-on-one scenario, but i'm always open to try different things once in a while.

 

[daydreamer41]

daydreaming, this is full of logic from a client point of view, but think about this. The driver will get his usual fees, no matter if he get the 2 girls at the same place or not. Even if the same girl get a call at the same place as previous client he get his fee anyway... Unless of course the booker/owner is the driver.. now thats a different thing but big agency must have at least 2 driver if they don't offer incall. Incall is a different story too, if he book the girls incall, no hassle at all.

And finally, we all know the girl will want the same cut anyway, so the agency is the loosing end on all of this, and if he knows he can book these 2 girls easily, maybe even for multiple hours session to some clients, then the incentive of 2 for 1 is not that incentive if its an hour booking...

SO...thats why often they will just charge regular rates.

Mike, if the agency is booking girls 90 to 100 percent of the time, and the agency is turning away callers, then agency doesn't care if they send the girls to one place or two places, then I see what you are saying is correct. But if the agency's booking is not consistent, then off loading 2 girls in one place is a good way to up the utilization of their lineup. The girls would get the same cut, but the owner could afford to take less because the owner should be making the $ from the volume of business or in another words utilization of the agencies staff.

Just a comment here...duos are more "work" for the girls...double the interactions if you may...
A bit like meeting couple and fee is (usually) higher when meeting couple vs for meeting a single person,why would a guy expect to pay less when he gets 2 girls is beyond me...maybe I didn't had enough coffee this morning but I do not get the way you guys think sometime...

I don't see how duos are more work. Most duos I have had, the girls were not interacting with each other. They were interacting with me in different capacities at different times. Now, some girls enjoy duos with their friends. They feel more secure in duos with their friends. I have had girls who are friends with the other and it has worked out better because they are more relaxed. And I have had the opposite with some luck and a few times, some strain.

 

[Halloween Mike]

As for the driver. I don't see why he should take 2 cuts when driving a duo to a client. Agency drivers are like cab drivers. Cabs charge per trip and not by customer. The cut should be the same whether the chap is driving one girl to a client or 5 girls for a client who is planning an orgy. It is not like the guy will be carrying the girls on his shoulders and the more girls you add the higher his fee is. The only exception I see is when the driver has to pick up girls from their places and driving them to the client.

Some agencies have an hourly rate, but some(probably most) pay "by the call" , unlike a cab driver who is paid by the hour, no matter how many calls he get. Sure calls give him tip but thats a different story.

Usually there is a pre-set. For exemple the first hour of a meeting is full comission, lets say 20$. Additional hours are 10$ each. They need there pay cut, imagine if one drive 4 girls(wich is probably the max) then it happened 2 of them are booked in a duo for 3 hours... 1 is not booking, and 1 made 2 booking of 1H... So in the end the guy would only get 60$ by your logic? Consider he pays his fuel, he use his personal car and stuff... 60$ - fuel fees for 5-6 hours of work... thats not much...

Thats why there pre-set rules for calls. Sure it may sound weird from an outside point of view that a driver would get 20 bucks for a second booking at same hotel... but the next booking he may drive 20 mins in traffic for the 20... the cab driver is paid by the time/km or meeter if you prefer. Driver from the agency is paid same cut no matter where he goes unless its really far, wich there is an extra 10 or 20 for very far bookings.

 

[HornyForEver]

unlike a cab driver who is paid by the hour, no matter how many calls he get.

Are you sure about that? I have always thought that cab drivers are self-employed and are renting the car they use to work and in a worst case they just give some percentage of their earnings to the cab owner. I never saw them as employees being paid by hour. I used to read a blog written (very well-written) by a cab driver in Montréal Léon. And Léon seemed to be so stressed out on slow nights. But anyways, we are disgressing here.

Sure it may sound weird from an outside point of view that a driver would get 20 bucks for a second booking at same hotel... but the next booking he may drive 20 mins in traffic for the 20... the cab driver is paid by the time/km or meeter if you prefer. Driver from the agency is paid same cut no matter where he goes unless its really far, wich there is an extra 10 or 20 for very far bookings.

I learned something new here, but it is still a weird business model. I did not know that drivers had extra cuts on multiple hours meetings. The intentions are good, though, me as a client is not getting anything from the driver during the subsequent hours. I understand that the agency is trying to compensate for his potential loss (manque à gagner) for longer meetings, but this still remains a potential loss. If the girl was only booked for an 1 hour, she might have been sitting on the car seat for the rest of the night afterwards and no losses will be incurred by the driver here.

I guess duo bookings remain marginal, so I am not expecting agencies to try to think about optimizing the rates of such encounters that much. Though, you have accidentally brought up the situation of a one girl being booked for multiple hours. I guess, again, that this situation is much more frequent. Do you excpect multiple hours encounters to be cheaper than numberOfHours * hourlyRate?

PS. The recent comments only apply to an agency doing outcalls. They do not apply to indies who take a cab to visit a client nor to incalls. Just to put things in perspective.

 

[HornyForEver]

Just a comment here...duos are more "work" for the girls...double the interactions if you may...

I don't think that the interaction is doubled for each girl in an FFM threesome. As I mentioned above, the interaction was poor in most cases, save very few exceptions. The situation may be totally different for indies as indies usually choose, I think, with whom they are going to work. So, interaction might be better with a couple of indies.

Also, in my encounters I basically called the agency, listened to the booker reciting the roster of the day and then picked up any combination of girls I wanted. This implied that some girls I met might have never worked together before. I have also noticed that agencies now do not just offer a duo service, but they offer specific combinations of girls (girls comfortable to work together?), so in such case maybe the experience will be better and the value of the duo is higher than the value of its individual parts, so to speak.

 

[snoodle]

I think daydreamer is totally right

The duo should be less than the regular rate for each girl. Depending on demand of course.

The girls are doing half the work they normally would so compensation should be less.

But it depends on demand. If the girls are totally booked and could make more just doing singles. then i guess the regular price could be justifiable.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Are you sure about that? I have always thought that cab drivers are self-employed and are renting the car they use to work and in a worst case they just give some percentage of their earnings to the cab owner. I never saw them as employees being paid by hour. I used to read a blog written (very well-written) by a cab driver in Montréal Léon. And Léon seemed to be so stressed out on slow nights. But anyways, we are disgressing here.
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I am not sure no, i always tough they where employess working for a boss, by the hour + tips. But if im mistaken i would be glad to know.

On the agency side tough, i don't pretend to know how every agency work, but i know a bit about it :thumb: , and the model differ from one to another. If an agency has a high level of girls, but they offer incalls as much as outcalls, surprisingly incalls are more popular. So the booker/driver can drive himself the girls if needed. Those very popular agencies won't bother with a 1 hour booking on the south shore... they will drive to the usual places... core of downtown, chabrol and such... If the agency has a booker, and run only outcalls with 2 drivers, thats a different thing. Sometimes the booker can be also a driver, and they use an extra driver...

There is lots of models , but this is not for nothing agencies ask you to pay a 20 if you refuse the girl.. its the driver that get it, cause he did his job anyway...

Now i will talk only for myself... but when i was booking, i made a fixed salary by the call... if i didn't made a certain ammount at the end of the week, it would automatically be adjusted. The "adjustement" was fairly decent... drivers worked on a a similar set up but there adjustement was by the night...

 

[Lily from Montreal]

If the girls in the duos you guys meet are doing ''half 'of what they would do,you are being ripped-off,

the idea of a duo that is worth it is that the experience is more then the sum of the part,not only 2 girls taking turns on you (!) but a variety of combination including interactions between the girls...That's why I said it is more ''work'',although I do not care to use that word,but a good duo both girls should be extra attentive to offer a great experience ,hence more variety.and more money...by the way it is rare to find that complicity between girls and I would not want to meet (if I was a guy) two girls who do not even know each others...

 

[BookerL]

the idea of a duo that is worth it is that the experience is more then the sum of the part,not only 2 girls taking turns on you (!) but a variety of combination including interactions between the girls...That's why I said it is more ''work'',although I do not care to use that word,but a good duo both girls should be extra attentive to offer a great experience ,hence more variety.and more money...by the way it is rare to find that complicity between girls and I would not want to meet (if I was a guy) two girls who do not even know each others...

Oh Lily you do really understand the meaning of a duo !:thumb:

High flying duod are lots of fun .

The ambiance the experiece ,its a show sensuality ,eroticism and things you can't even do one on one :nod:
Cheers

Booker

 

[Doggyluver]

Been there, done that and my opinion, reality can never live up to the fantasy, regardless of the price.

 

[CharlotteSinclair]

If the girls in the duos you guys meet are doing ''half 'of what they would do,you are being ripped-off,

the idea of a duo that is worth it is that the experience is more then the sum of the part,not only 2 girls taking turns on you (!) but a variety of combination including interactions between the girls...That's why I said it is more ''work'',although I do not care to use that word,but a good duo both girls should be extra attentive to offer a great experience ,hence more variety.and more money...by the way it is rare to find that complicity between girls and I would not want to meet (if I was a guy) two girls who do not even know each others...

I agree with Lily on all counts. A duo should be highly interactive!

Unless of course you want the 'service' aspect individually and maybe a bit of kissing between the women. I have had clients who have wanted that. Though afterwards my friend and I have exchanged disappointed looks in the elevator as we like it to be interactive with all sorts of positions and combinations. I only do duos with personal friends. I feel it makes for a more enjoyable and safer experience for all.

And yes, it is in a way more 'work' as there is extra to consider mentally and physically if done right. ;-)

In any case I charge the same rate for singles, couples and for duos (and my duo partner charges hers). My fee is for my time... But I respect those providers who charge differently. Each of us has her own business model and pricing strategy.