Duos? Should they cost more then 2 girls 2 guys?

[Maria Divina]

I thing, we might go with the demands & be fair enough to stipulate how far we are willing to go before the encounter.
And that's not all the gentlemen who are having the exact same fantasy in head with the ménage-à-trois.

I have been asked many times by couples to be the third, and me, not beeing a 100% bisexual lady but open to all the exchanges between ladies except performing daty, I have found some people to be perfectly satisfy with what else I would bring in the experience, because I had simply offer other satisfying things.

That's the same about having been chosen with another escort to satisfy the bigger appetite of only one man. Of course, when someone is asking, I will suggest someone I know or trust, and we will go with what we all want to share together based on the demand of the gentleman.

And about 2 gentlemen who are asking to meet me at the same time: those kind of demands were only talked with me, and sadly, never achieved. Often, we were talking about me being the center of interest and taking care of both and no interaction between the 2 friends. I would not mind at all if ever that was a full interaction between the men, we have to just keep in head the precaution we will have to apply.

Possibility are not stopping there. Never think to meet a T-girl & a woman at the same time? Everything is possible by keeping in mind to have safe exchanges. I am not offering this kind of possibility myself, but I know an indy who already did.

PS: I forgot to answer the question: In this world, generally speaking to my knowledge, each lady will demand her own regular donation, except if they are doing some kind of special promotion together. That could be a different donation if she is having just to take care of the gentleman/"client" or to care also of the other lady companion. Some are asking a higher rate when it is for a couple, others don't. It is exactly what Charlotte wrote: if we see it by asking for our time or based on a "different items of a menu" piece by piece. That's a world of possibilities.

 

[Louis Phrust]

I think daydreamer is totally right

The duo should be less than the regular rate for each girl. Depending on demand of course.

The girls are doing half the work they normally would so compensation should be less.

But it depends on demand. If the girls are totally booked and could make more just doing singles. then i guess the regular price could be justifiable.

This is 100% correct. Duos should cost LESS than one on one!
1) Half as much time interacting with a guy that they would not bang for free

2) Less chance of being murdered by a psycho

3)If they know each other and offer duos at the same individual rate per girl it means they are bi and attracted to each other so any interaction between them is not work but the equivalent of a coffee break that you enjoy watching them take. Win/win situation for everybody.

4) Less chance of catching STD from girl/girl than boy/girl. Porn girls get paid LESS for a girl/girl scene than boy/girl! This is the same reason that a FEMALE client should PAY LESS than a male client for one on one if the sp advertises as bi. Meeting a M/F couple should not be twice the regular price like the sp is getting sandwiched by 2 "str8" dudes for the same reason. Meeting a M/F couple should actually cost HALF THE PRICE of meeting just a guy because the guy will spend about half the time banging his wife/gf instead of the sp which puts less "wear and tear" on the sp unless the couple have a big dildo/strap-on fetish. What's more, I have recognized pros on online hook up sex sites searching for girls and couples exclusively to party with free of charge. They always write "NO SINGLE MEN, I have more than enough to keep me satisfied in that department" lol

Any SP who tells you that she is booked every hour of her shift is a liar, so the theory about her or the agency making less $ with this policy is ludicrous. If that were the case the girls would show up/receive you smelling like the previous customer's sweaty balls and have stiff sticky hair like Cameron Diaz in that movie "There's Something About Mary". The girl would not even be able to complete her shift and would walk funny for a week afterwards.

I know this for a fact because I have politely e-mailed sp's for more info and received rude, insulting responses. Being drunk and bored, I responded in an equally insulting manner and this went on back and forth for hours on end which means they were NOT in demand at all since they had this much time to waste on someone they knew would never rent them. They even got their escort girlfriends whom I never contacted to send me nasty e-mails also, so they obviously weren't very busy either.

Have you ever seen a dancer give private lap dances her whole shift?

To further my case, I have seen indies advertise duos for $200/hour with golden included! That's $100 each. The exact same girls would not do a one on one with a male client for less than $150/hour so you are basically making money by banging both of them together.

This is why it makes me LOL when I see sp's who make a website with pictures that look like a Vogue magazine shoot and try to gouge guys by charging $300- $500/hour because they claim to be "classy" while offering Greek, cimws, etc.,. and "sophisticated","educated" and a "stimulating conversationalist" at 20 years old.

To address the interaction or lack thereof between the girls, that is on the client. He must be assertive and give commands like a good male porn actor/director if he wishes to get his money's worth.

As far as a sp meeting a tranny/guy couple or a bi male couple, that automatically puts her in the same category as offering bare back, cream pies, gang bangs, DP's with 2 "str8" guys and doing brothaz, all of which eliminate her from my to do list. I have even seen BLACK SP's with clear face pics write in caps in their ads "NO BLACK GUYS", so it wasn't because they were worried about being recognized by someone they knew lol. I would feel much safer with one of them than with a white sp who does not have that same policy, just like I would not smash a white non sp I met at a bar who did not have that policy, even if it's free! I made sure that the "black"

(usually mulatto with a black father that they never met, or worse)

girls I plowed all had this policy since they were first sexually active and had only been with other girls and white guys who thought the same way.

 

[Louis Phrust]

I agree with Lily on all counts. A duo should be highly interactive!

Unless of course you want the 'service' aspect individually and maybe a bit of kissing between the women. I have had clients who have wanted that. Though afterwards my friend and I have exchanged disappointed looks in the elevator as we like it to be interactive with all sorts of positions and combinations. I only do duos with personal friends. I feel it makes for a more enjoyable and safer experience for all.

And yes, it is in a way more 'work' as there is extra to consider mentally and physically if done right. ;-)

In any case I charge the same rate for singles, couples and for duos (and my duo partner charges hers). My fee is for my time... But I respect those providers who charge differently. Each of us has her own business model and pricing strategy.

In my mind this is a complete contradiction. You were disappointed to do what you consider to be "in a way less work" for the same pay as doing "in a way more work"? You would have enjoyed muff diving with your gf and you were disappointed that the client didn't want to see that, but yet you both charged the guy your standard rates to watch you do something the 2 of you would be doing for fun in your free time? Wanting to do more work for the same pay is like a dishwasher working in a restaurant being disappointed that his boss didn't make him mop the floors on a slow night instead of letting him go home 10 minutes early! I find this as illogical and ridiculous as a sp charging a guy extra for GIVING HER a squirting orgasm instead of him making her fake it so the client doesn't feel insecure about his sexual prowess

 

[CharlotteSinclair]

I was being cheeky. The demimonde for me includes a little flirtation be it in person or on a message board.

And I said my duo partners and I were friends. In our personal lives perhaps we muff dive and perhaps we do not. Maybe we only get to play together when we are with clients?

In any case, the way I run my life and biz works for me. To each their own. Montreal has soooooo many options for clients to chose from.

Isn't that great? I think so.

 

[Halloween Mike]

You guys seem to forget this is not "a la carte" menu we are talking about.

I read your replies and can't help but wonder if you guys are trolling or for real... Charlotte, wich honestly i know little of, said she would had enjoy participate in a fully interractive duo because she is confortable with her friend. That does not mean she wanted to be "on sale" because of that. Sorry if im using a bit vulgarish term but you guys seem to imply if there is less "work" it should be cheaper... So if you book a girl and you only take a BJ, should you then give her 120$ because full sex was not performed? By your logic it seem to be the case...

I don't think 2 girls for 1 hour should be cheaper than there regular rate. Im not saying it should be highter either, i think personally it should be the same, and they should offer it only if there really confortable with it. But in the end they can charge what they want... thats how this business is made...

Now personally would i ever partook in a duo, i would like the attention to me on me. Always doing something with both of them, and not the 2 of them doing something to each other... May sound a bit greedy lol but since i am the customer... Thats the fantasy i would like to experience... kissing while getting blown... eating breast while getting blown... double BJ, stuff like that. I am not specifically attracked to lesbian stuff, but thats me.

 

[jacep]

ive had duos. my first experance with duos was with jasmine (lily love) and alexandra. ive seen other duos since then. some good and some not so good.

ive been given specials for duos but would never pay more then the rate for each lady seperately for a duo. if 1 lady is $200 for a duo, i would not pay more than $400 and ive never payd more than double the singel rate.

 

[HornyForEver]

I am not sure no, i always tough they where employess working for a boss, by the hour + tips. But if im mistaken i would be glad to know.
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Les deux modèles, en fait les 3 modèles co-existent. Il y a ceux qui sont salariés, ceux qui louent le véhicule puis ils gardent toutes les recettes et bien sûr il y a ceux qui travaillent à leur compte et sont propriétaires de leur taxi: http://www.metiers-quebec.org/transport/chauffeur_taxi.html

 

[Halloween Mike]

Ok c'est bon a savoir :thumb:

 

[randolph]

Did a duo one time. My mistake was not to have arranged things better ahead of time. Each girl got paid her regular rate, but the girls told me that if I wanted them to interact then they would need to phone the booker and charge me extra. So there was one rate for the girls to look after me, and another for them to add on some affection with each other. Didn't go for it even though I would have liked to see them kiss and go down on each other Next time I guess. Still nice to get blown while DFKing another girl.

 

[Merlot]

Ladies and Gents,

I remember back in the early days how Emma of FKS would try to insure herself more pay days by bundling herself with Gabrielle the Jenny McCarthy look-a-like goddess by using a specifically preset 3-hour duo arrangement. Emma would be there alone at first, then in the 2nd hour it would be Gabrielle and Emma, then in the 3rd hour Emma would leave. I never asked for this but I think it was $750 in 2003 or 2004, and at $200 an hour today per person that would just about be a discount of $50 in today's rate standards. But of course rates back then could be between $140 to $160 generally.

I read your replies and can't help but wonder if you guys are trolling or for real... Charlotte, wich honestly i know little of, said she would had enjoy participate in a fully interractive duo because she is confortable with her friend. That does not mean she wanted to be "on sale" because of that. Sorry if im using a bit vulgarish term but you guys seem to imply if there is less "work" it should be cheaper... So if you book a girl and you only take a BJ, should you then give her 120$ because full sex was not performed? By your logic it seem to be the case...

When I read some of the reasoning for discounts I'm looking at the same old faux logic some members previously used to argue for discounts for seeing single escorts. Let's see, how did that go. If she doesn't offer: BBBJ, daty, DFK, rimming, CIM, swallow, creampie the rate should be less. If she doesn't dress hot, she's talks or stays in the shower too long, if the client finishes early and she tries to leave, if she doesn't appear to be the same as in the pics, etc, etc, etc. Some of that might make some sense if the lady is abusing the time in some way or really short-changing someone with reasonably expected service. But a lot of it was wishful pseudo rationalization.

Let's not forget that if you do get a duo for a decent discount the ladies get a smaller split in the same amount of time they might each have gone their own way separately and gotten a full regular rate instead of a smaller duo share. So you are paying for the ladies to give up time for opportunities where they wouldn't have to deal with this duo discount pressure, pressure that might be putting them off of doing duos again. In that case the clients lose out not the ladies. So you may as well consider everything she's giving up and what you might lose if you keep trying to schmooze your way to paying less.

Don't forget also that doing a duo depends entirely on each lady having to rely on the other one to follow through just to be there, as well as provide equal quality service so that neither reputation suffers. It's risky since things can easily happen for one or the other, and if something does happen that time profitability has been wasted and lost.

A duo is a special option. A greater specialty. I think your lucky if the rate per lady stays the same and doesn't go up.

Happy dealing,

Merlot

 

[daydreamer41]

Ladies and Gents,
When I read some of the reasoning for discounts I'm looking at the same old faux logic some members previously used to argue for discounts for seeing single escorts. Let's see, how did that go. If she doesn't offer: BBBJ, daty, DFK, rimming, CIM, swallow, creampie the rate should be less. If she doesn't dress hot, she's talks or stays in the shower too long, if the client finishes early and she tries to leave, if she doesn't appear to be the same as in the pics, etc, etc, etc. Some of that might make some sense if the lady is abusing the time in some way or really short-changing someone with reasonably expected service. But a lot of it was wishful pseudo rationalization.

Let's not forget that if you do get a duo for a decent discount the ladies get a smaller split in the same amount of time they might each have gone their own way separately and gotten a full regular rate instead of a smaller duo share. So you are paying for the ladies to give up time for opportunities where they wouldn't have to deal with this duo discount pressure, pressure that might be putting them off of doing duos again. In that case the clients lose out not the ladies. So you may as well consider everything she's giving up and what you might lose if you keep trying to schmooze your way to paying less.

Don't forget also that doing a duo depends entirely on each lady having to rely on the other one to follow through just to be there, as well as provide equal quality service so that neither reputation suffers. It's risky since things can easily happen for one or the other, and if something does happen that time profitability has been wasted and lost.

A duo is a special option. A greater specialty. I think your lucky if the rate per lady stays the same and doesn't go up.

Happy dealing,

Merlot

Your logic is not based on reality, Merlot. (Gee, could I answer most of your posts that way?) I digressed. Anyhow, the agency is the one deciding the fee. The agency is booking 2 girls at the same place for the same time. So it goes to reason that the agency can take less money, especially if they are not fully booked. If they only booked 1 girl, and the other girl is not working, guess what? They are actually making more $ by booking 2.

How you like that mid-term election Merlot? Obama doesn't have that insurance policy Harry Reid protecting him anymore and unfortunately for Obama, there's a lot of skeletons in that closets of his at that White House. :thumb: :lol:

 

[Halloween Mike]

Daydreamer, Merlot is totally right in that situation... plain and simple.

Agencies do have control, and they do decide there own cut, but the ladies/drivers(booker if applying) are paid the same, so they are the one loosing in the end for that. And thinking agencies have so many girls "on the wait" , well it depend. Popular girls does book a lot. And girls offering duos and stuff usually are quite known. They can't sent Lady A and Lady B that don't know each other for a duo... at least not an interactive one. Also its one thing to remember despite what porn and movies want to make us believe, not every girls are bisexual..

Also don't forget if they offer duos at discount advertising, then they could eventually loose solo bookings because of that. Now would you be piss if the agency decide to bump you or cancel you because they can send the ladies separatly instead of sending them both to you to make more money...?

There is a lot to think about, and if agencies start offering discount of any sort, even to ladies not booking, of course what will happen is people will wait til she is on discount to book. I know peoples in real life that buy toilet paper and ketchup only on discount... because they know it reguilary is... People in general want to save money, so if discounts become the norm, then people will not call and wait for the discount to be announced...

 

[daydreamer41]

Mike, I have known agencies that push duos because it is a sure booking for 2 girls, plain and simple. Some days are better than others. It takes twice the effort to book 2 girls on 2 calls as 2 girls on 1 call.

The escort business is the same as any other business. There are peak times and non-peak times, and it is not always predictable when you are busy. So if you have 1 guy calling for 2 girls, you know have them utilized for that time, where as you would have to have 2 different guys in 2 different locations that want the same girls at the same time. And many times when I had duos I have booked 2 hours. For outcalls, which I have done in MTL, it takes time to get to the location. So sending 2 girls to one location saves time also.

Now I realize sometimes because the girls may be in 2 different places, logistics makes it difficult to book the desired girls for 1 guy. But if you advertise 2 girls as duos, I bet you they may stay together and it is easier logistically to market and transport them that way.

Maybe Booker can chime in and tell us his experience, since he has industry experience.

 

[BookerL]

Maybe Booker can chime in and tell us his experience, since he has industry experience.

Hello all
Obviously when to girls are drop at the same location ,logistically it is simpler.
You have the client perspective and the agencies and Indies perspective .
Experiencing duos is pretty touchy for the clients ,the girls must be able to interact has real Lezbo or its not really a duo ,but two girls on one guy ,that really does not cut it for me has a member of the menage a trois !
Has a Booker the more girls you can send at the same address for more hours it is ideal ,you dream of those bookings .
You might think of lowering down your profit percentage to increase your total dollars profit and reduced cost making a better net, after all like in any business the net is what goes in your pockets not the gross .
Most agencies pay drivers per call ,but they all have different set up for second girl at same address second and third and fourth hours etc... and when you get away from downtown and cross bridges .On a multiple hours booking the agency makes also more money because many times the bookers cut is reduced for second girl or second hour booked at the same address and so forth .
And if you are in incall you need one room to occupy two girls, less expenses
When you do the math knowing the stats ,it is a interesting concept for both parties ,if its well done


Certain girls are excited in making duos ,they simply love it ,it is then very interesting for client because the intensity of eroticism and female sensuality will be at a different level when both girls are attracted to each other ,A meow mix ,LOL

I have been enjoying duos on both side of the fence



Cheers



Booker

 

[Halloween Mike]

Well it is true i don't have the same lengh of experience as booker, but i have some too And i got my share of infos from other agencies as well. Of course it all deped on the agency cut in the first place, on the time booked for the duo, and many more. And also remember guys not agencies goes to farther locations, or won't on busy nights... driving just the core downtown ain't that hard.

 

[AmberRose]

Hi, fairly new to the board and the city, but going to throw my two cents in anyways!

I know the case is quite different between indys and agencies, since you have more people to factor in at the end of the day at an agency when paying out, but unless you're getting a full-on erotic lesbian show included, I believe it should be less than the regular hourly rate for each girl, which is what I offer. Why I do this is fairly simple: from my experience, the girls are doing less work. I have done duo's with an agency and independently, and can say even if the girls are very close, it's very nerve-racking. When you're in a duo, you have someone else there watching how you work, so you feel like you have an audience, and you also have to count in the other girl, make sure you're both getting attention and giving attention.

When you're solo with a client it's much more intimate. You have no one else in the room watching your every move, so you're more likely to "give it your all" in a sense. I think a small discount off the total sum is appropriate(I repeat: small discount!) because I feel like, while duo's can be amazing and fun as heck, you're more likely to get a girls best performance when she's alone with you.

 

[nylonlover]

We should be charged less for a duo as an incentive of not only booking 2 simultaneously, but also because it's easier on the driver. And let's face it, the SPs each have less work to do, since their little jewels below take half the "work" in the hour.

 

[Gabriella Laurence]

Pardon my succint online ways...

I do not know about agencies but as an independent companion, my time is worth the same whether I am with a gentlemen (or a lady) and/or participating in an interactive ménage à trois that involves another SP. Since I've never been "menu" oriented and much prefer to go with the flow during an encounter, the arguments of perceived "less work" is completely irrelevant to me and does not justify a lower rate, no matter how I look at it.

Let's face it- I could probably write a book listing all the reasons on why some clients think they deserve or feel entitled to a discount or pay less...

Anyway, the point is moot: it's not about should, could would and "if and but", it is what it is and everybody has a choice to go ahead and have a great time, look elsewhere or not participate at all.


Have a great day!

Gabby xox