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[Blackjackmac]

The idea that being French and/or francophone means having a laissez-faire attitude to anything related to sex is a myth. It'a not true in France and it's not true in Quebec. Quebeckers do generally have tolerant attitudes towards premarital sex, birth control, abortion, and people's personal and private sex lives. But over recent decades a strong feminist movement has developed in Quebec and despite what some people say ("Well I'm a feminist and I support escorts") mainstream feminism is mostly anti-prostitution.

Of course, they say they support escorts and don't want them arrested, which is true, but they love the current "Nordic Law" which criminalizes clients but not escorts. The feminists refuse to acknowledge that this is a dumb law that effectively makes it more difficult and dangerous to work as an escort. It's all about good intentions!

Also, there are still elements of Quebec society that are very conservative, sometimes religious and family oriented. Most Montreal escorts come from the francophone population and a lot of people don't like that. Families worry that their daughters will get sucked into the escort lifestyle and they don't like that possibility.

France also has a Nordic Law on prostitution and the situation is similar though French police are much less tolerant of agencies. The elites in Montreal somewhat slavishly follow social trends in France so it's not surprising that attitudes towards questions of sex are very similar in France and Quebec.

Spot on.

Quebec is feminist. That means it supports sexual activities and work as long as it is along feminist values (drag queens, LGBT parades where guys flash their dicks to kids etc…)

However as soon as a normal hetero guy can be seen to take any form of pleasure they are instantly against it. Hetero male sexual interests and exploration are seen as inherently evil and abusive.

 

[2fast2slow]

The idea that being French and/or francophone means having a laissez-faire attitude to anything related to sex is a myth. It'a not true in France and it's not true in Quebec. Quebeckers do generally have tolerant attitudes towards premarital sex, birth control, abortion, and people's personal and private sex lives. But over recent decades a strong feminist movement has developed in Quebec and despite what some people say ("Well I'm a feminist and I support escorts") mainstream feminism is mostly anti-prostitution.

Of course, they say they support escorts and don't want them arrested, which is true, but they love the current "Nordic Law" which criminalizes clients but not escorts. The feminists refuse to acknowledge that this is a dumb law that effectively makes it more difficult and dangerous to work as an escort. It's all about good intentions!

Also, there are still elements of Quebec society that are very conservative, sometimes religious and family oriented. Most Montreal escorts come from the francophone population and a lot of people don't like that. Families worry that their daughters will get sucked into the escort lifestyle and they don't like that possibility.

France also has a Nordic Law on prostitution and the situation is similar though French police are much less tolerant of agencies. The elites in Montreal somewhat slavishly follow social trends in France so it's not surprising that attitudes towards questions of sex are very similar in France and Quebec.

Interesting remark. The reporter in this case is, as we all know, french from France, which had a little tinge of patronization..

 

[Flabert]

Quebec is under some influence from France but we have our own particularities and there is also the western zeitgeist at play.

Here we have “liberals” against heterosexual male exploitation and “conservatives” against sex/liberals. There are almost no group who can defend any form of escorting because some people are silently in favor while escorts are enfantilized as always victims. There is also enough bad situations in escorting that can mask the good side.

I think elites like politicians and police tend to the controversy of the day but know it goes away so a lot of what they do is performative. Agencies and massage parlors are very well known (some even advertized on the street) yet interventions mostly try to stop extremely negative behaviors (we all agree). More importantly they talk a big game which calms the normies even if nothing is done. Think about the moral panic around every f1 grand prix. Bla bla bla but nothing gets done.

Talking about western zeitgest, this video criticizes the judicial system in Australia but could have been about Canada - we are that similar.

 

[Glyscore]

Spot on.

Quebec is feminist. That means it supports sexual activities and work as long as it is along feminist values (drag queens, LGBT parades where guys flash their dicks to kids etc…)

However as soon as a normal hetero guy can be seen to take any form of pleasure they are instantly against it. Hetero male sexual interests and exploration are seen as inherently evil and abusive.

You might be into something here. High End Escorte that often matches hetero standard of beauty looked for by powerful Man, even if they tell you they're feminist, they Do not act like IT. They often would love to have a suggar Daddy or be à Trophy wives/House wives to powerful man while they have acces to free trips, free money etc. It's really two different World's...Hell all this thread here and you can see the type of SP that are preoccupied by the situation vs the one being silent. SP arent at all a monolitic groupe and a certain groupe are fine with how things work at the moment because they're in a different classe/appeal

 

[Julia Sky]

However as soon as a normal hetero guy can be seen to take any form of pleasure they are instantly against it. Hetero male sexual interests and exploration are seen as inherently evil and abusive.

Wait until you see how they treat women who profit from their sexuality. Or even women who are sexual in general lol. Men only love sluts when they can own them or when the slut caters to them, and other women hate sluts period.

I see way more bad comments and opinions regarding female sex workers than I do regarding our clients and our male colleagues tbh

(I will say, I read this comment out of context so sorry if I'm missing context. I am not going back to read pages of discourse)

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Wait until you see how they treat women who profit from their sexuality. Or even women who are sexual in general lol. Men only love sluts when they can own them

I see way more bad comments and opinions regarding female sex workers

Thank you Julia this is the point I've been trying to make this entire time.

Also in my experience men often get to "decide" who is only worth being a slut and who is a "good woman". I'm not going to say how but there are many situations where this can happen.

Other women follow suit, they are afraid of being seen as sluts themselves so they bully other women.. they feel shame and they don't understand how a woman could possibly risk social suicide by being a slut and the worst thing that could happen to them is having to become prostitutes so they project on others.

In my life I've never been called a slut but a lot of women I know who were never prostitutes have been targeted and called whores since they were teenagers even by their family members.

I've been designated "the slut" by men I was seeing who decided I wasn't good enough for romance tho and that isn't fun. Might as well get paid for it. (I'm mostly joking about that part, that isn't why I started doing this work)

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In general men don't actually respect sluts and prostitutes I'm sorry. Even if they benefit from them and enjoy fucking them or looking at them. You see that here. I've witnessed a colleague go through a harassment campaign just recently and I've experienced them myself.

If you saw the messages we get in our inbox sometimes you would not deny this reality but then again some here think it's normal to write horrible shit about sex workers online.

****Yes a lot of clients are respectful and kind.. and I don't think anyone has to say "but I'm respectful and good" just let us understand it ourselves by noticing your behavior online and in person with us.****

 

[Glyscore]

Thank you Julia this is the point I've been trying to make this entire time.

Also in my experience men often get to "decide" who is only worth being a slut and who is a "good woman". I'm not going to say how but there are many situations where this can happen.

Other women follow suit, they are afraid of being seen as sluts themselves so they bully other women.. they feel shame and they don't understand how a woman could possibly risk social suicide by being a slut and the worst thing that could happen to them is having to become prostitutes so they project on others.

In my life I've never been called a slut but a lot of women I know who were never prostitutes have been targeted and called whores since they were teenagers even by their family members.

I've been designated "the slut" by men I was seeing who decided I wasn't good enough for romance tho and that isn't fun. Might as well get paid for it. (I'm mostly joking about that part, that isn't why I started doing this work)

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In general men don't actually respect sluts and prostitutes I'm sorry. Even if they benefit from them and enjoy fucking them or looking at them. You see that here. I've witnessed a colleague go through a harassment campaign just recently and I've experienced them myself.

If you saw the messages we get in our inbox sometimes you would not deny this reality but then again some here think it's normal to write horrible shit about sex workers online.

****Yes a lot of clients are respectful and kind.. and I don't think anyone has to say "but I'm respectful and good" just let us understand it ourselves by noticing your behavior online and in person with us.****

I beleive their is a wide range of client and SPs that are in this field for different purpose. You have guys who are lonely and would love to have to gf/companion but didn't find the one yet for multiple reasons. They have a high sexe drive, so masturbation isn't an option. They often have regulars SP they see and can be victim of catching feelings. These type of clients often are gentle and want the SP to enjoy herself as if he was in a real relation.

On the other Hand, you have clients who sees SPs to fufill some needs their current gf/wife can fuffil. Clients who has a "Hatem" like mindset and focus specificaly in their pleasure. I beleive these kind of clients are more difficult because they see more of the encounter as a transaction. Want speficic position etc.

The scoap is really large. If I take myself for exemple. The moment i'm sry relationship wise with someone, you Wont see me here. Others are different tho

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I beleive their is a wide range of client and SPs that are in this field for different purpose. You have guys who are lonely and would love to have to gf/companion but didn't find the one yet for multiple reasons. They have a high sexe drive, so masturbation isn't an option. They often have regulars SP they see and can be victim of catching feelings. These type of clients often are gentle and want the SP to enjoy herself as if he was in a real relation.

On the other Hand, you have clients who sees SPs to fufill some needs their current gf/wife can fuffil. Clients who has a "Hatem" like mindset and focus specificaly in their pleasure. I beleive these kind of clients are more difficult because they see more of the encounter as a transaction. Want speficic position etc.

The scoap is really large. If I take myself for exemple. The moment i'm sry relationship wise with someone, you Wont see me here. Others are different tho

I know all of this.. I feel like you didn't read my comment carefully. I wasn't only talking about clients when I was talking about the attitude of men in regards to prostitutes and very sexual women but that does include clients

This is my job and I see and talk to more clients than you do, so I understand all that. I would even say that dividing clients into 2 categories only is really reductive. I can think of many more types.

Clients tell me why they see sex workers most of the time, they confide in me, or through their attitude I can easily come to a conclusion.

Btw the reason why a client sees sex workers doesn't tell you if they will be respectful or not.

I'm not accusing anyone but I think if you feel like you constantly have to defend yourself and repeat how much you're a good client or a good man maybe you should ask yourself questions.

A lot of guys think they are nice guys but then they proceed to do some heinous shit when they don't get what they want and when they get rejected. It's not enough to tell yourself "but I'm nice..." This applies to me too. I question myself all the time and I try to improve the way I treat myself and other people.

Like I said if you are a good client let us come to that conclusion ourselves. After being on this forum for a while and reading our social media I think most of you know what we appreciate and what we don't like. At least I would hope so.

 

[Glyscore]

I know all of this.. I feel like you didn't read my comment carefully. I wasn't only talking about clients when I was talking about the attitude of men in regards to prostitutes and very sexual women but that does include clients

This is my job and I see and talk to more clients than you do, so I understand all that. I would even say that dividing clients into 2 categories only is really reductive. I can think of many more types.

Clients tell me why they see sex workers most of the time, they confide in me, or through their attitude I can easily come to a conclusion.

Btw the reason why a client sees sex workers doesn't tell you if they will be respectful or not.

I'm not accusing anyone but I think if you feel like you constantly have to defend yourself and repeat how much you're a good client or a good man maybe you should ask yourself questions.

A lot of guys think they are nice guys but then they proceed to do some heinous shit when they don't get what they want and when they get rejected. It's not enough to tell yourself "but I'm nice..." This applies to me too. I question myself all the time and I try to improve the way I treat myself and other people.

Like I said if you are a good client let us come to that conclusion ourselves. After being on this forum for a while and reading our social media I think most of you know what we appreciate and what we don't like. At least I would hope so.

I replied to your comment by mistake. Was giving my opinion in general.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

You might be into something here. High End Escorte that often matches hetero standard of beauty looked for by powerful Man, even if they tell you they're feminist, they Do not act like IT. They often would love to have a suggar Daddy or be à Trophy wives/House wives to powerful man while they have acces to free trips, free money etc.

You really don't understand that this is a job, do you?

It's not free money or a free trip.. It's part of the job. Having a sugar daddy is a job, too.. and it's not because someone has ''high end'' branding that she wants to be a trophy wife. If she wanted to be a trophy wife, she already would be one. Not an escort. I was told recently that I was a ''high end escort''.. I don't think that's true. But in that person's eyes, I guess I was. There's nothing I would like less than to be a stay at home wife or to have a sugar daddy I depend on.

Ta façon de parler est un peu méprisante.. tu divise encore les personnes de qui on parle (ici, les escortes) en 2 catégories de femmes ''aimables'' vs ''méchantes''... Tu n'aimerais pas ça si on te plaçais dans la mauvaise catégorie toi non plus.

 

[Glyscore]

You really don't understand that this is a job, do you?

It's not free money or a free trip.. It's part of the job. Having a sugar daddy is a job, too.. and it's not because someone has ''high end'' branding that she wants to be a trophy wife. If she wanted to be a trophy wife, she already would be one. Not an escort. I was told recently that I was a ''high end escort''.. I don't think that's true. But in that person's eyes, I guess I was. There's nothing I would like less than to be a stay at home wife or to have a sugar daddy I depend on.

Ta façon de parler est un peu méprisante.. tu divise encore les personnes de qui on parle (ici, les escortes) en 2 catégories de femmes ''aimables'' vs ''méchantes''... Tu n'aimerais pas ça si on te plaçais dans la mauvaise catégorie toi non plus.

J'ai utilisé des termes comme "souvent" et mon propos n'est pas absolue. Je parle en fonction d'expérience et de ce que j'ai vu personnellement. Ce sont des faits vérifiable.

De plus, tu sous entends que mon analyse est pejorative alors que ce n'est pas le cas. Je ne sais pas si tu fais de la projection, mais je vais pas aller là...Chacun vie ça vie. Maintenant, il suffit d'être autour de femmes qui ont un certains type de life style pour comprendre que certaines d'entre elles ont un rapport à l'argent et la vie qui est hors norme. Again, je parle d'expérience et de propos, meurs, comportement que j'ai vue au fil des années. Ce n'est pas mon style de SP. Chacun ses goûts, chacun ses choix. Il y a des gens avec peux de caractères partout. Dans la clientèle et dans les Escortes qui offrent leur services. Si tenir ce propos est vu que méprisables, on ne vie pas dans le même monde.

 

[jmioffe]

Is Toronto a better place for the hobby now, considering my regulars XO and Euphoria are both now extinct?

Or is incall with a place like V better? Or are F or S still viable notions?

Maybe we should start a thread with Euphoria roster migrations, or should we just go to the individual's page to do that?

 

[Lunaseraphim]

J'ai utilisé des termes comme "souvent" et mon propos n'est pas absolue. Je parle en fonction d'expérience et de ce que j'ai vu personnellement. Ce sont des faits vérifiable.

De plus, tu sous entends que mon analyse est pejorative alors que ce n'est pas le cas. Je ne sais pas si tu fais de la projection, mais je vais pas aller là...Chacun vie ça vie. Maintenant, il suffit d'être autour de femmes qui ont un certains type de life style pour comprendre que certaines d'entre elles ont un rapport à l'argent et la vie qui est hors norme. Again, je parle d'expérience et de propos, meurs, comportement que j'ai vue au fil des années. Ce n'est pas mon style de SP. Chacun ses goûts, chacun ses choix. Il y a des gens avec peux de caractères partout. Dans la clientèle et dans les Escortes qui offrent leur services. Si tenir ce propos est vu que méprisables, on ne vie pas dans le même monde.

Ce que j'essaie de dire c'est que "escorte high end" c'est une sorte de branding et une façon de se présenter sur les réseaux sociaux. Ça ne correspond pas toujours à la réalité. J'ai été dans des restaurants haut de gamme avec des clients et j'ai reçu des cadeaux dispendieux mais je ne possède pas mon propre logement, je n'ai pas de voiture, etc. Ça ne veut rien dire. Et si tu es autour de ces femmes en personne et tu n'aimes pas leurs façons de se comporter personne ne t'oblige à le faire..

Je n'ai pas dit que tes propos sont "méprisables". J'ai écrit "un peu méprisant". Ce sont deux mots différents. Ça veut dire que tu portes des jugements sur des personnes que tu ne connais pas vraiment. Mais si tu connais beaucoup de femmes de ce genre personnellement, tu dois savoir de quoi tu parles. Je soupçonne simplement que tu te fie à ce que tu vois sur les réseaux sociaux..

Je ne dis pas que ce que tu à avancé comme idée est nécessairement faux, je vois où tu voulais en venir, mais je ne comprends pas en quoi c'est pertinent comme information par rapport à la conversation sur les abus en agence. Aussi tu dis "free trips" "free money" et ça implique que tu ne pense pas que ces personnes travaillent vraiment.

J'ai aussi l'impression que des gens utilisent des termes tels que "féministes", "libéraux" etc sans vraiment comprendre ce que ça veut dire, et que ces concepts ne sont pas nécessairement utiles ici parce qu'ils ne font que faire dévier la conversation vers plus de chialage et d'auto victimisation de la part de certains utilisateurs et clients d'escortes.

 

[Mod20]

It appears we are off the subject of the thread, no need to keep this one going.......