Interesting. So what about hobbyists that may work with children in their daily jobs? Or, perhaps they even have children. If a man frequents a massage parlour or SP should they be fired from their jobs if found out? Maybe ... or is this another double-standard in our society? Think about it. I would be interested to hear your thoughts.
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Interesting. So what about hobbyists that may work with children in their daily jobs? Or, perhaps they even have children. If a man frequents a massage parlour or SP should they be fired from their jobs if found out? Maybe ... or is this another double-standard in our society? Think about it. I would be interested to hear your thoughts.
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You clearly used the collective plural pronoun "we" in the post in question and now you admit that it was the opinion of a singular person. Enough said.
Her authority over the student(s) is part of her employment and cannot be separated. This is true for all employees in any school extending down to even the lunch time parent volunteers The students are required to obey all adults in the school even transient employees who may be in the school as part of the educational process. Referees for sporting events, outside exam invigilators.
If the employees activities within or outside their employment create a situation where the activity undermines the the employees ability to act with the necessary authority for the job then the school board or appropriate body governing the school has an obligation to act. This is what the board did.
You clearly used the collective plural pronoun "we" in the post in question and now you admit that it was the opinion of a singular person. Enough said.
Her authority over the student(s) is part of her employment and cannot be separated. This is true for all employees in any school extending down to even the lunch time parent volunteers The students are required to obey all adults in the school even transient employees who may be in the school as part of the educational process. Referees for sporting events, outside exam invigilators.
If the employees activities within or outside their employment create a situation where the activity undermines the the employees ability to act with the necessary authority for the job then the school board or appropriate body governing the school has an obligation to act. This is what the board did.
No such obligation exists regarding the ability of a clerk to exercise authority over a student. The school director is free to act or not to act in such a case.
You have no authority to speak on behalf of the school board.
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In the case at hand, the employee’s concerns over having her cover blown undermined her position of authority.
Sorry to break the news but you, my friend, are out deep in the left field. School boards have in place student safety policies and regulations which call to all staff, no exception, and put them in a position of authority. Consider the scenario in which students decide to leave the school grounds in violation of school rules - a potential safety hazard. All staff owes students a duty to do whatever reasonable is necessary to ensure their safety, including exerting authority.
In the case at hand, the employee’s concerns over having her cover blown undermined her position of authority.
... Let me joing the fray:
First of all, who here went to a public school?... Who here went recently to look around a classroom or has had or has a teacher as a friend and that teacher told them what life in a classroom is today? ... I bet most of you guys were raised by brothers or priests, and in your days authority existed in the classroom, discipline existed in the classroom. Well not today folks, uh huh, nope. Authority is a no given in schools today. Teachers don't have authority from the start, they must earn it. That's right. If you have kids and you think your kid has respect for his teacher, you are sooooo dead wrong. They only way your child respects his teachers is (a) you smacked your kids around to teach him good manners, or (b) the teacher earned respect with jib remarks, good come backs, humour, and a fair amount of assertation through demands of discipline and handing out punitions etc...
You don't believe me? Blame yourselves you bunch of babyboomers, you made it so, everyone's equal now, there's no more "Mr. Le Professeur," et "Vous".. it's all "tu" and "appelle moi George". You wanna talk about values at school, how about you start with values at home and stop smoking weed with your kids you jack-ass (proverbial jack-ass ofcourse, I'm not targeting anyone here, but I have known the parents of some of my friends who smoked with them, cause there's no more parent-child relationship, i'm just your friend now, don't even call me dad, you can call me by my name [Oh yes, they do exist, I know some of them]); and while we're at it, screw your babyboomer values cause you guys fucked a whole generation or two!!!
Yes, you guys took authority away and now you guys want to have a discussion about values and authority lacking in schools, what hypocrisy!!!! For crying out loud, authority is nearly inexistant in schools because of you, so don't try to pin it on the pornstar history of a teacher to make it sound like she'll have no authority in her class. I don't know how hard it will be, but I doubt it's going that much harder than any other teacher to 'earn' a position of authority in school.. To be able to earn this position ends up being a personal soci-psychological ability: if one has some leadership abilities with a good sense of timing, delivery and humour, then one can become a great teacher. If she can adapt to her crowd and assert some authority over them, then she'll do just fiiine. You guys are judging a book by its cover. Although,
one thing they should do is appoint her as a sex educator, she'll probably give everyone good tips about protection (that's a very important matter to be taught).
Now that I'm done with my rant against babyboomers, let's get back to the facts:
(a) Samantha is not in the business anymore, she was out of the business ever since she started working as a teacher,
(b) She has, from what's she's told in her numerous interviews, no intention of going back into that business;
(c) The kid came up to her after a class one day and asked her an autograph, she was dumb-struck, didn't know what to say, so she told the little-douche to leave and not to spread rumours,
(d) The little-douche went out and told all his friends and everyone that she was a porn actress.
(e) The school found out, they offered her a desk job away from the public eye: I'd like to remind you all that there's a Code du Travail, you're now allowed to downgrade someone like that without some form of reasonable cause, "HAVING" been a pornstar does not legally constitute reasonable cause.
(g) Considering all this, people make mistakes in the past, should we take away the possibility for these people to let them make a future for themselves. SO.... yes, she 'WAS' a pornstar, is she not allowed to move on with your life?
From what techman and eastender said it looks like that's what they think (ie. No future for you). And I say to you guys: if it was known to the whole world that you get to see SPs in your spare time, I think you'd both want it to be able to keep on working at your work place without being seen as a pariah who pays for sex! My gosh! How shameful! A little hypocritical if you're unwilling to walk in her shoes guys! Just imagine being where she is and you start sympathizing with her
As for school boards: are we referring to the "Commission Scolaire"? Now, let's start with a nice ad hominem attack on them, because although they have a form of authority, they lack all credibility. These are people with no background in education who make decision for our future or present kids, and sadly in most cases, their members themselves are not smarter than a 6th grader. Yes, you read right! Now, whatever authority these boards have... it should be taken away from them!! We should abolish these Commission Scolaire, because most of the elected people seating at these table are fools (elected in some case with a below 3% participation rate in the voting polls). And amongst them, It's not rare to spot an ex-coiffeuses who knows nothing of education; and since she didn't manage to make a career in hair-dressing, she decided to join that mooching-of-society bandwagon called a "Commission Scolaire"; and yes, you end up with people like that making the rules for your children?
I know, my criticism so far isn't being constructive, but I'm only saying all this for the following reasons: some of you guys are taking the moral high ground but at the same time you're all here on MERB? Who died and made you guys saints? Give me a break... none of us even have a right to be on the moral high ground while coming here. If anything, we're all supposed to be able to dissociate ourselves from our moral inequities right, hell some of you live double lives simply by being here... Just remember this, she doesn't do porn anymore, it's in her past before she got the position as a teacher, she has a right to pick a career for herself in something else no?
PS. also a Commission Scolaire isn't worth much when it comes to 'right' decisions in school management. So all of you, spare Merb the position of making us believe that school boards in Quebec are holy-sanctimonious entities who make such good decisions with regards to regulations and policies and all the good stuff pertaining to our kids.
First of all, who here went to a public school?... Who here went recently to look around a classroom or has had or has a teacher as a friend and that teacher told them what life in a classroom is today? ... I bet most of you guys were raised by brothers or priests, and in your days authority existed in the classroom, discipline existed in the classroom. Well not today folks, uh huh, nope. Authority is a no given in schools today. Teachers don't have authority from the start, they must earn it. That's right. If you have kids and you think your kid has respect for his teacher, you are sooooo dead wrong. They only way your child respects his teachers is (a) you smacked your kids around to teach him good manners, or (b) the teacher earned respect with jib remarks, good come backs, humour, and a fair amount of assertation through demands of discipline and handing out punitions etc...
You don't believe me? Blame yourselves you bunch of babyboomers, you made it so, everyone's equal now, there's no more "Mr. Le Professeur," et "Vous".. it's all "tu" and "appelle moi George". You wanna talk about values at school, how about you start with values at home and stop smoking weed with your kids you jack-ass (proverbial jack-ass ofcourse, I'm not targeting anyone here, but I have known the parents of some of my friends who smoked with them, cause there's no more parent-child relationship, i'm just your friend now, don't even call me dad, you can call me by my name [Oh yes, they do exist, I know some of them]); and while we're at it, screw your babyboomer values cause you guys fucked a whole generation or two!!!
Yes, you guys took authority away and now you guys want to have a discussion about values and authority lacking in schools, what hypocrisy!!!! For crying out loud, authority is nearly inexistant in schools because of you, so don't try to pin it on the pornstar history of a teacher to make it sound like she'll have no authority in her class. I don't know how hard it will be, but I doubt it's going that much harder than any other teacher to 'earn' a position of authority in school.. To be able to earn this position ends up being a personal soci-psychological ability: if one has some leadership abilities with a good sense of timing, delivery and humour, then one can become a great teacher. If she can adapt to her crowd and assert some authority over them, then she'll do just fiiine. You guys are judging a book by its cover. Although,
one thing they should do is appoint her as a sex educator, she'll probably give everyone good tips about protection (that's a very important matter to be taught).Now that I'm done with my rant against babyboomers, let's get back to the facts:
(a) Samantha is not in the business anymore, she was out of the business ever since she started working as a teacher,
(b) She has, from what's she's told in her numerous interviews, no intention of going back into that business;
(c) The kid came up to her after a class one day and asked her an autograph, she was dumb-struck, didn't know what to say, so she told the little-douche to leave and not to spread rumours,
(d) The little-douche went out and told all his friends and everyone that she was a porn actress.
(e) The school found out, they offered her a desk job away from the public eye: I'd like to remind you all that there's a Code du Travail, you're now allowed to downgrade someone like that without some form of reasonable cause, "HAVING" been a pornstar does not legally constitute reasonable cause.
(g) Considering all this, people make mistakes in the past, should we take away the possibility for these people to let them make a future for themselves. SO.... yes, she 'WAS' a pornstar, is she not allowed to move on with your life?
From what techman and eastender said it looks like that's what they think (ie. No future for you). And I say to you guys: if it was known to the whole world that you get to see SPs in your spare time, I think you'd both want it to be able to keep on working at your work place without being seen as a pariah who pays for sex! My gosh! How shameful! A little hypocritical if you're unwilling to walk in her shoes guys! Just imagine being where she is and you start sympathizing with her
As for school boards: are we referring to the "Commission Scolaire"? Now, let's start with a nice ad hominem attack on them, because although they have a form of authority, they lack all credibility. These are people with no background in education who make decision for our future or present kids, and sadly in most cases, their members themselves are not smarter than a 6th grader. Yes, you read right! Now, whatever authority these boards have... it should be taken away from them!! We should abolish these Commission Scolaire, because most of the elected people seating at these table are fools (elected in some case with a below 3% participation rate in the voting polls). And amongst them, It's not rare to spot an ex-coiffeuses who knows nothing of education; and since she didn't manage to make a career in hair-dressing, she decided to join that mooching-of-society bandwagon called a "Commission Scolaire"; and yes, you end up with people like that making the rules for your children?
I know, my criticism so far isn't being constructive, but I'm only saying all this for the following reasons: some of you guys are taking the moral high ground but at the same time you're all here on MERB? Who died and made you guys saints? Give me a break... none of us even have a right to be on the moral high ground while coming here. If anything, we're all supposed to be able to dissociate ourselves from our moral inequities right, hell some of you live double lives simply by being here... Just remember this, she doesn't do porn anymore, it's in her past before she got the position as a teacher, she has a right to pick a career for herself in something else no?
PS. also a Commission Scolaire isn't worth much when it comes to 'right' decisions in school management. So all of you, spare Merb the position of making us believe that school boards in Quebec are holy-sanctimonious entities who make such good decisions with regards to regulations and policies and all the good stuff pertaining to our kids.
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What does EE have to do with my reply to you? You say there exists no such obligation for clerks to exercise authority over students, I say you're wrong. What part of wrong do you not understand?
1 In the citation, I said there is no obligation for the director to act. It had nothing to do with the position of authority of the a clerck.
2 there is no obligation for clerks to exercise authority over students. If she decides to, she is indeed in a position of authority. There is an obligation to report some acts contrary to regulations.
What part of wrong? All of it. You're wrong all the way.
Whoa dude don't be so anal all the time, especially at 6:30 in the morning! You just said it: 'There is no obligation for clerks to exercise authority over students'. Don't mean to hurt your feelings buddy but how about doing your homework before making blanket statements that don’t stand up to reality? I gave you something to ponder before. Give some thought to it and come back when you're a better mood. I know you can do it!
gugu what's taking you so long? Having difficulties accessing research databases? If you don't mind holding back your brilliant ascension onto argument heaven before this poor man here and his feet on the ground go blind, I might be able to help you - but you'll have to make an effort. Schools, my son, are legally responsible for students safety and behaviour during school normal days. The responsibility, whether you agree or not, is set on all staff members, no exception, in position to stop students from performing acts that could foreseeably harm themselves or others or cause property or civil damage.
I trust this is too simple for your comprehension. In this case, I suggest you look back at your own affirmation and evaluate the employee's ability to comply with its legal obligation to ''report'' when in position of being blackmailed by students. After you're done ruminating, please provide me with a breakdown of the ''some acts contrary to regulations'' you consider there is an obligation to report as opposed to the some other acts contrary to regulation there would be, according to you, no obligation to report.
I trust this is too simple for your comprehension. In this case, I suggest you look back at your own affirmation and evaluate the employee's ability to comply with its legal obligation to ''report'' when in position of being blackmailed by students. After you're done ruminating, please provide me with a breakdown of the ''some acts contrary to regulations'' you consider there is an obligation to report as opposed to the some other acts contrary to regulation there would be, according to you, no obligation to report.
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I think we can all agree the a secretary HAS authority over the kids. Compare it to a chef and a sous-chef. The sous-chef assumes all responsibility/ authority in the absence of the chef. nuff said.
Think about the kids now, they are confused as to why their secretary did porn. How do you explain it to them? Just let them know that the bitch was fired because she did an immoral act, and everything will go back to normal. The last thing you want is for the kids to aspire to a porn career after their role models.
Clearly, Samantha has not pondered the risks of exposing her acts on the internet. She says so herself. After all, if your making porn on the net, you must realize that hs kids have access to it too.
I feel for her, why she had to go shoot herself for 500$ when she could have escorted for much more. Discretion is the name of the game, unless you want the fame.
Think about the kids now, they are confused as to why their secretary did porn. How do you explain it to them? Just let them know that the bitch was fired because she did an immoral act, and everything will go back to normal. The last thing you want is for the kids to aspire to a porn career after their role models.
Clearly, Samantha has not pondered the risks of exposing her acts on the internet. She says so herself. After all, if your making porn on the net, you must realize that hs kids have access to it too.
I feel for her, why she had to go shoot herself for 500$ when she could have escorted for much more. Discretion is the name of the game, unless you want the fame.
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I was with one of my favorite ladies (already reviewed here) this week for a massage. She provides an excellent massage and full service with , daty, fs, etc. She probably provides this many times a day to many different men. On this occasion we were chatting and I happened to learn that she is a single mom with 2 elementary school aged kids who she loves dearly. I also learned that she was looking forward to the summer soccer season as she is the kids soccer team coach which she has been doing for several years. Now, I don`t know what her circumstances are, why she is a single mom, why did she turn to providing these services to make ends meet, but I think that if I learned that she was my kids soccer coach...I would`t be upset.
I know this is not exactly the same situation as Samantha Ardente, but all this to say that none of us know her reasons for doing this. In the Mongrain interview she evades the question and seems uncomfortable with it. Definitely poor judgement on her part. But maybe at the time it was a quick way out of some difficult situation. She is also a single mom. Who knows her reason.
It is hypocritical for any of us to call her actions immoral, and immature to call her derogatory names, or to pass judgement when those of us that participate in this hobby would likely not be judged very nicely by our peers or family if they found out about our hobby activities. Yet many of us have kids or even work with kids.
The real question is was she fired with just cause. I don`t think so. She did nothing illegal. She did not do anything inappropriate at the school. She deserved a reprimand and a relocation to another position out of the school to alleviate the irrational fears that she would harm the kids. The school board acted to quickly and pandered to the media generated paranoia and irrational fears.
I`ll bet on her winning a nice court settlement.
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I know this is not exactly the same situation as Samantha Ardente, but all this to say that none of us know her reasons for doing this. In the Mongrain interview she evades the question and seems uncomfortable with it. Definitely poor judgement on her part. But maybe at the time it was a quick way out of some difficult situation. She is also a single mom. Who knows her reason.
It is hypocritical for any of us to call her actions immoral, and immature to call her derogatory names, or to pass judgement when those of us that participate in this hobby would likely not be judged very nicely by our peers or family if they found out about our hobby activities. Yet many of us have kids or even work with kids.
The real question is was she fired with just cause. I don`t think so. She did nothing illegal. She did not do anything inappropriate at the school. She deserved a reprimand and a relocation to another position out of the school to alleviate the irrational fears that she would harm the kids. The school board acted to quickly and pandered to the media generated paranoia and irrational fears.
I`ll bet on her winning a nice court settlement.
Czar
He was kicked out of school for broadcasting the information throughout the school and for making threats and attempted extortion. He allegedly threatened harm to her daughter in exchange for a bj.
Most people respect others private life, as long as it is private. In her case she chose to expose herself out there.
Some jobs are just incompatible with others I guess, as one can have a negative effect on the integrity of the other. I can`t judge if it is the case here.
I doubt she could win any money from the school for two reasons:
1. The public system is poor enough.
2. she already accepted being suspended without pay
The only people who can capitalize on this situation is the production company. They are gaining more hits and they`re happy with that.
I assume that most porn actresses want to be discovered, or have nothing to loose if they are discovered; contrary to Samantha Ardente.
My first reaction , in Samantha`s place, would be to ask the company to take down the videos, as if it never existed, whatever the price.
Other Situations
Compare the present situation with another of a few years ago, that of Real Simard and College Brebeuf:
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=10c36261-760e-47a8-877d-c6dc97448327
So far the key element of the issue has been avoided. The hiring procedures at the various schools with the sub issue of what steps should be taken when it is discovered that the hiring procedures are not always perfect.
Compare the present situation with another of a few years ago, that of Real Simard and College Brebeuf:
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=10c36261-760e-47a8-877d-c6dc97448327
So far the key element of the issue has been avoided. The hiring procedures at the various schools with the sub issue of what steps should be taken when it is discovered that the hiring procedures are not always perfect.
It's really a shame. All he had to do was pay her and none of this would have come out! Extorting a BJ for free ... ah these kids today
I'm the only one who find insulting that they can fire her over porn but they never fired teacher over incompetence. Commissions are HUGE. They could have EASILY transferred her in an administrative centre with no contact with kids.
It is a BS decision. Can't believe anyone here arguing for it.
It is a BS decision. Can't believe anyone here arguing for it.
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