bond_james_bond said:
Freaking world is becoming a bunch of tree hugging socialist pansies. I should start taxing myself cause the govt leaves $0.33 in my pocket...too much spending power for 1 person.
!!PROUD REPUBLICAN!!
Great leader of the "free world"...or just an idiot???
- Thread starter korbel
- Start date
Freaking world is becoming a bunch of tree hugging socialist pansies. I should start taxing myself cause the govt leaves $0.33 in my pocket...too much spending power for 1 person.
!!PROUD REPUBLICAN!!
Clinton
I for one cannot wait to get bubba back into the white house, even if that means that Hillary will "technically" be in charge...
He is a Rhodes scholar compared to Bush... Actually wait -- he IS an actual Rhodes Scholar. So, I guess he's like a super-duper, ultra-absorbent, crime-fighting Rhodes Scholar compared to Bush...
Then again, my dog could take Bush on in a math quiz...
Bottom line in my view: There are many major problems (what a revelation!), some caused by Bush and some compounded by him. It would be hard to think of anything that has been positively impacted by him. Yes (as dirtier pointed out) there have been no attacks in the US since 9/11 -- but there were also no attacks BEFORE 9/11....
Nobody will be able to walk into this mess and wave a wand to clean it up. But when you are fighting problems you need to get to the root(s) of them. Bush is a cancer. As each day of his "leadership" passes, America loses more power and more respect in the world.
The question is really whether America can survive another 2 years of cancer... And then, will chemotherapy be enough to save it (Clintotherapy)?
I miss those saxophone solos, stained dresses and all of it. Seems like good times compared to these days...
BD
PS: referencing the post by Korbel... I believe quite a few soon-to-be-Canadians were present when the White House was burned down
back in 1812...
I for one cannot wait to get bubba back into the white house, even if that means that Hillary will "technically" be in charge...
He is a Rhodes scholar compared to Bush... Actually wait -- he IS an actual Rhodes Scholar. So, I guess he's like a super-duper, ultra-absorbent, crime-fighting Rhodes Scholar compared to Bush...
Then again, my dog could take Bush on in a math quiz...
Bottom line in my view: There are many major problems (what a revelation!), some caused by Bush and some compounded by him. It would be hard to think of anything that has been positively impacted by him. Yes (as dirtier pointed out) there have been no attacks in the US since 9/11 -- but there were also no attacks BEFORE 9/11....
Nobody will be able to walk into this mess and wave a wand to clean it up. But when you are fighting problems you need to get to the root(s) of them. Bush is a cancer. As each day of his "leadership" passes, America loses more power and more respect in the world.
The question is really whether America can survive another 2 years of cancer... And then, will chemotherapy be enough to save it (Clintotherapy)?
I miss those saxophone solos, stained dresses and all of it. Seems like good times compared to these days...
BD
PS: referencing the post by Korbel... I believe quite a few soon-to-be-Canadians were present when the White House was burned down
back in 1812...Whats the difference...RIGHTEOUSNESS???
Hello dirtierasigetolder,
Republican huh...well...lol...no surprise. Oh yeah...lets start with...I am not a liberal.
Tell me, does this statement make you proud. Do you understand what you wrote. You call the extremists thugs...true enough. So how does what you said make the US better than them? Is it that our cause is righteous because we were attacked? Ahhhhh the age old justification for war. Good one. At least you have 5500 years of human historical precedence to back you up. You forgot to add that "God is on our side"...lol. So all of those who cite righteousness are justified. Theoretically it makes every war justifiable on all sides since everyone uses that and believes their case is just as good as anyone elses. But what is disturbing is you dont seem to recognize who is being a "thug" when you make such statements. But then again, you believe we are more justified than the arabs who have been dominated by others, including us for thousands of years. I suppose their point of view is just invalid to you.
Does your memory only go back to Sept 11, 2001. Do you remember the state of the Near East before that. Did you also forget the Iraquis had NOTHING TO DO WITH 911. It was Al Quaeda remember...an organization not present in Iraq until we invaded and did not have enough troops to cover the borders to keep them out. Yeah...that was another decision by your intelligent Bush cronies...Rumsfeld in this case...made and royally screwed the situation. But it is convenient for the US to be the biggest thugs on the planet. But we arent thugs are we because we have a righteous just cause on our side. With so much going for us its perplexing how we are doing so poorly over there. Why is that? Surely our AWOL, pot toking, formerly alcohol challenged, right thinking President mumble mouth couldnt be responsible? Could he???
In the end I just dont think we are making the world better or safer by letting everyone know we could wipe them out. Do you really think it works that way? Does one create permanent peace and prosperity by making dire threats? If someone says he will kill you if you dont cooperate will you feel more cooperative?
DONT THINK SO!!!
Korbel
dirtierasigetolder said:
Hello dirtierasigetolder,
Republican huh...well...lol...no surprise. Oh yeah...lets start with...I am not a liberal.
Tell me, does this statement make you proud. Do you understand what you wrote. You call the extremists thugs...true enough. So how does what you said make the US better than them? Is it that our cause is righteous because we were attacked? Ahhhhh the age old justification for war. Good one. At least you have 5500 years of human historical precedence to back you up. You forgot to add that "God is on our side"...lol. So all of those who cite righteousness are justified. Theoretically it makes every war justifiable on all sides since everyone uses that and believes their case is just as good as anyone elses. But what is disturbing is you dont seem to recognize who is being a "thug" when you make such statements. But then again, you believe we are more justified than the arabs who have been dominated by others, including us for thousands of years. I suppose their point of view is just invalid to you.
Does your memory only go back to Sept 11, 2001. Do you remember the state of the Near East before that. Did you also forget the Iraquis had NOTHING TO DO WITH 911. It was Al Quaeda remember...an organization not present in Iraq until we invaded and did not have enough troops to cover the borders to keep them out. Yeah...that was another decision by your intelligent Bush cronies...Rumsfeld in this case...made and royally screwed the situation. But it is convenient for the US to be the biggest thugs on the planet. But we arent thugs are we because we have a righteous just cause on our side. With so much going for us its perplexing how we are doing so poorly over there. Why is that? Surely our AWOL, pot toking, formerly alcohol challenged, right thinking President mumble mouth couldnt be responsible? Could he???
In the end I just dont think we are making the world better or safer by letting everyone know we could wipe them out. Do you really think it works that way? Does one create permanent peace and prosperity by making dire threats? If someone says he will kill you if you dont cooperate will you feel more cooperative?
DONT THINK SO!!!
Korbel
Last edited:
It's one thing to be an idiot, a thug or a SOB ... weez ... what needs to be questionned before judging U.S. presidents performances and their administrations is the monstruous amount of power that is being put in their hands ... cough ...
With 9/11, the amount of power has reached unprecedented levels which use and abuse are currently having the catastrophic reach we know in world affairs ... cough cough couggghhhhhh ...
With 9/11, the amount of power has reached unprecedented levels which use and abuse are currently having the catastrophic reach we know in world affairs ... cough cough couggghhhhhh ...
Korbel said:
First off read my post. I called SIRIA a bunch of thugs and that is because that government is really just a bunch of thugs.
Now for your poor arab syndrome, you can kiss my ass. I've had all I can stomach with the poor arab is being brutalized and being oppressed. If it wasn't for the west they'd still be in tents.
You know why this is not a war, if we wanted to surrender who would we call? This is not a war, this is a fight for survival. Winner gets there way of life. As a westerner I can tell you which side I'm on and if that means we need to invade a country or two then by all means. Find me a peaceful solution and I'll back it up.
Let's not even get into the Palestine and Israel conflict. Read up some stats about the Palestinian refuge problem and you'll realize that the only thing arabs hate more then jews are other arabs.
Korbel said:
You know it's pretty easy to make fun of Bush cause he's an American president. Why don't you go to a nice middle eastern country (other then Israel) and do the same. Maybe you were pro-Saddam. I'd list his atrocities or his kids atrocities but I don't want to get into a muslim vs american flame war.
I say this to all people who scream and yell anti-american remarks in North America. You don't like it, go live in the middle east. Enjoy life there. One of my best friends is Lebanese and his parents have told me horror stories about some of the things that they witnessed. And Lebanon is a mild arab country. Considered pro-West.
Korbel said:In the end I just dont think we are make the world better or safer by letting everyone know we could wipe them out. Do you really think it works that way? Does one create permanent peace and prosperity by making dire threats? If someone says he will kill you if you dont cooperate will you feel more cooperative?
DONT THINK SO!!!
Korbel
All I can say is KISS MY PRO US ASS! I like my life and I like the american liberties I have. Like seeing a womens face, not getting judged for my beliefs...oh how about freedom of speech...how's about you go to Saudi Arabia and scream out FUCK YOU KING ABDULLAH, let's see how far you get
Anyway, beautiful part of the west is I can have my opinion and you can have yours. To say who's right is a different story.
Lol
Hello dirtierasigetolder,
Lol...lol...lol...lol...lol...I enjoyed your response. A typically "intelligent Republican" one. I see it was time to avoid answering to the real situation and sing God Bless America while cursing in fine manners and grace. I am sure you had a flag and a bible beside you while doing so. But the problem still goes on despite your patriotic affirmations. I do applaud your loyalty to Bush when so many other Republicans dislike him almost as much as anyone else these days. I also understand your need to retreat to the safety and comfort of irrelevant hyperbole. So turn on your Chinese made big screen and enjoy the warmth of Bush's immigrant laden, debt ridden, freedom restricted, war strained, corporate autocratic US. Be sure to have a big piece of apple pie three times a day and salute your lifesize pictures of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Raygun every morning and before you go to sleep so the bedbugs won't bite. America loves you big guy...now go and enjoy all those foreign made goods you bought Mr. U.S.A. Do it with pride as we hemorrage our standard of living out to China, India, Japan, Arab oil producers and other countries we are bleeding our assets to.
I think you knew I was not crying for the Arabs and there was no attempt to compare lifestyles..i.e..."our freedoms" or their alleged lack of them. However, nice dodging of the issue.
Thanks from the "Gipper",
Korbel
PS
MY Pro-U.S.A. derriere doesn't need your kisses.
dirtierasigetolder said:
Hello dirtierasigetolder,
Lol...lol...lol...lol...lol...I enjoyed your response. A typically "intelligent Republican" one. I see it was time to avoid answering to the real situation and sing God Bless America while cursing in fine manners and grace. I am sure you had a flag and a bible beside you while doing so. But the problem still goes on despite your patriotic affirmations. I do applaud your loyalty to Bush when so many other Republicans dislike him almost as much as anyone else these days. I also understand your need to retreat to the safety and comfort of irrelevant hyperbole. So turn on your Chinese made big screen and enjoy the warmth of Bush's immigrant laden, debt ridden, freedom restricted, war strained, corporate autocratic US. Be sure to have a big piece of apple pie three times a day and salute your lifesize pictures of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Raygun every morning and before you go to sleep so the bedbugs won't bite. America loves you big guy...now go and enjoy all those foreign made goods you bought Mr. U.S.A. Do it with pride as we hemorrage our standard of living out to China, India, Japan, Arab oil producers and other countries we are bleeding our assets to.
I think you knew I was not crying for the Arabs and there was no attempt to compare lifestyles..i.e..."our freedoms" or their alleged lack of them. However, nice dodging of the issue.
Thanks from the "Gipper",
Korbel
PS
MY Pro-U.S.A. derriere doesn't need your kisses.
Last edited:
9/11 was OBL's response to Clinton's failed missile attack on his terrorist camp, which was in retaliation for the African embassy bombings.
Bush, IMHO, had been doing very well in Afghanistan: use of CIA and special forces, combined with cooperation from locals, on a clearly defined search-and-destroy mission. OBL was almost caught.
Then, all of this success was thrown away to conduct an open-ended occupation campaign against Iraq. Certainly, US forces could quickly defeat the Iraqi military, but most experts, even Republicans, agree that there was insufficient planning for dealing with the administration of Iraq post-invasion.
What of the power vacuum created by Saddam's removal? What of the regional stability which Saddam provided against Iran? Unfortunately, it seems the Bush administration failed to consider this.
Instead, Bush has led the U.S. into the same booby trap as Vietnam. A war of occupation with no defined goals, no end in sight. A war for which the US military is not trained to fight. Like quicksand, it pulls you in deeper the harder you fight against it.
IMHO, I see no more point in fighting this war. All I can suggest is that the US turn Iraq over to the UN to split into 3 distinct countries, and hope that Iran doesn't take advantage of this.
Bush, IMHO, had been doing very well in Afghanistan: use of CIA and special forces, combined with cooperation from locals, on a clearly defined search-and-destroy mission. OBL was almost caught.
Then, all of this success was thrown away to conduct an open-ended occupation campaign against Iraq. Certainly, US forces could quickly defeat the Iraqi military, but most experts, even Republicans, agree that there was insufficient planning for dealing with the administration of Iraq post-invasion.
What of the power vacuum created by Saddam's removal? What of the regional stability which Saddam provided against Iran? Unfortunately, it seems the Bush administration failed to consider this.
Instead, Bush has led the U.S. into the same booby trap as Vietnam. A war of occupation with no defined goals, no end in sight. A war for which the US military is not trained to fight. Like quicksand, it pulls you in deeper the harder you fight against it.
IMHO, I see no more point in fighting this war. All I can suggest is that the US turn Iraq over to the UN to split into 3 distinct countries, and hope that Iran doesn't take advantage of this.
Last edited:
No more BUSHit
It's a fact that Dubya was an alcoholic and coke head until he was 40. He ran a few oil companies in Texas and they all lost money. Investors were just buying influence to Bush Sr. As Gov he condemed private land so developers could build a baseball statium with taxpayer money for the b'ball team that he was part owner of, which would increase the value of his 'investment' (the part ownership was 'given' to him). The conservatives condemed Clinton as a draft dodger (he went to Oxford), yet Bush got into the Guard rather than go to Viet Namm and then went AWOL from the Guard. Chaney got 5 deferments to get out of the draft. How come Bush and Cheney being draft dodgers wasn't an issue? Rumsfeld was the worse SOD in history. So his cabinet is more examples of his incompentance. The Republicans have a history of picking incompetent idiots for puppets in office: Ford, Dan Quayle, Spiro T. Agnew. Regan had Alzheimer's while still in office and yet they continue to talk about how great he was. Only the wealthy are doing well in the US and makes the economic numbers look OK. But the inequality of wealth in the US under Dubya is a disgrace. He says he wants to bring demoncracy to the Middle East, but he's acting like a dictator to do it (he's ignoring the will of the America people!) He lied, and look how many have died. Iraq's people are worse off now than under Sadam Hussein. They are in constant fear, have little clean water or electricity even in Bagdad, and most of the wealthy have fled from Iraq. What a mess he has made.
It's a fact that Dubya was an alcoholic and coke head until he was 40. He ran a few oil companies in Texas and they all lost money. Investors were just buying influence to Bush Sr. As Gov he condemed private land so developers could build a baseball statium with taxpayer money for the b'ball team that he was part owner of, which would increase the value of his 'investment' (the part ownership was 'given' to him). The conservatives condemed Clinton as a draft dodger (he went to Oxford), yet Bush got into the Guard rather than go to Viet Namm and then went AWOL from the Guard. Chaney got 5 deferments to get out of the draft. How come Bush and Cheney being draft dodgers wasn't an issue? Rumsfeld was the worse SOD in history. So his cabinet is more examples of his incompentance. The Republicans have a history of picking incompetent idiots for puppets in office: Ford, Dan Quayle, Spiro T. Agnew. Regan had Alzheimer's while still in office and yet they continue to talk about how great he was. Only the wealthy are doing well in the US and makes the economic numbers look OK. But the inequality of wealth in the US under Dubya is a disgrace. He says he wants to bring demoncracy to the Middle East, but he's acting like a dictator to do it (he's ignoring the will of the America people!) He lied, and look how many have died. Iraq's people are worse off now than under Sadam Hussein. They are in constant fear, have little clean water or electricity even in Bagdad, and most of the wealthy have fled from Iraq. What a mess he has made.
Basically agreed.
Hello bond_james_bond,
I agree with all of your points except one. As you understand, instability in any general region such as the Middle East is a threat to all nations. The situation in the Middle East had proven to be a very serious matter well before 911. Now with the increased threat of expanding Islamic extremism since the U.S. invasion of Iraq the situation is only worse at this time. That alone is plenty to be very worried about. Now account for the problem of maintaining the oil flow we cannot live without because this country has failed to fully develop alternative fuel systems and it is perfectly clear we cannot leave Iraq to become what Iran or Syria might want it to be. Unlike Vietnam, where our basic interest was far more political, the situation in Iraq threatens our economic and therefore our own social stability. In view of that how can we leave Iraq to Iran, Syria, Al Qaeda, or a far more intense sectarian conflict sure to follow if we just pull out.
What we need is leadership with more vision and more realistic solutions that deal with the particular conditions in this area of the world instead of imposing what we want the country to be. The situation needs the cooperation of more moderate Arab nations and other key U.N. nations, not U.S. imposition. But, for the time being we need to stay to keep the lid on there as much as possible in our own vital interest as well as that of the region. We are stuck because of a general lack of vision by this U.S. administration, a failure to deal with the situation in a realistic manner, and because of one person's personal myopic agenda. Unfortunately the best solution may well be the formation of three sovereign states out of Iraq.
In the end, isn't it tragic that this situation has been created and controlled by a man...allegedly the leader of the "free world"...who has had his basic intelligence questioned so much we should feel the need to seriously debate whether he is an "IDIOT" or not. And this from a conservative news host who should be Bush's strong ally.
Unhappily,
Korbel
bond_james_bond said:
Hello bond_james_bond,
I agree with all of your points except one. As you understand, instability in any general region such as the Middle East is a threat to all nations. The situation in the Middle East had proven to be a very serious matter well before 911. Now with the increased threat of expanding Islamic extremism since the U.S. invasion of Iraq the situation is only worse at this time. That alone is plenty to be very worried about. Now account for the problem of maintaining the oil flow we cannot live without because this country has failed to fully develop alternative fuel systems and it is perfectly clear we cannot leave Iraq to become what Iran or Syria might want it to be. Unlike Vietnam, where our basic interest was far more political, the situation in Iraq threatens our economic and therefore our own social stability. In view of that how can we leave Iraq to Iran, Syria, Al Qaeda, or a far more intense sectarian conflict sure to follow if we just pull out.
What we need is leadership with more vision and more realistic solutions that deal with the particular conditions in this area of the world instead of imposing what we want the country to be. The situation needs the cooperation of more moderate Arab nations and other key U.N. nations, not U.S. imposition. But, for the time being we need to stay to keep the lid on there as much as possible in our own vital interest as well as that of the region. We are stuck because of a general lack of vision by this U.S. administration, a failure to deal with the situation in a realistic manner, and because of one person's personal myopic agenda. Unfortunately the best solution may well be the formation of three sovereign states out of Iraq.
In the end, isn't it tragic that this situation has been created and controlled by a man...allegedly the leader of the "free world"...who has had his basic intelligence questioned so much we should feel the need to seriously debate whether he is an "IDIOT" or not. And this from a conservative news host who should be Bush's strong ally.
Unhappily,
Korbel
Last edited:
