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Guys, check-out this ridiculous article in the Gazoo

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I used to visit the DT SC frequently and have 'never' met a girl in the scenarios described in this silly article.

Article is ridiculous,

Wow :eek: . What an absurd article. This sounds like a very typical conservative attitude that sees sex as a big controversy. This article describes a very limited and the most negative case scenario. It depicts one situation and generalized that all strippers are in the same situation. Not all pimps are bad also... many are good and actually protect the girls... some of these girls are new to the business and cannot even manage their own money. There are both bad and good pimps. Many strippers are not trafficked also. I do not know where they get their information from.
 

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Jesus thats a long article. Do they actually expect people to read all that !

Article took too long to get to the point

Maybe u could enlighten us on what this article is about ?

i still don't know ? :confused: lol
 
I'm guessing the point, like all the silly articles like this, is for the anti-sex work types to attempt to conflate all sex work (apparently even stripping) with any story of abuse they can find, no matter if it's real, made up, or hugely exaggerated at their urging. And according to the sidebar, all sex workers are victims, even all the ones who say they're not, because they don't realize it.

The anti-sex work types know, as in New Zealand and Australia, more of the media and more real academic studies (their sidebar fails to identify the alleged university study they claim to back their view) are going to start actually talking to the thousands of sex workers across Canada, and start finding out the vast majority do not fit the silly helpless victim stereotype they want everyone to believe, and these kinds of articles they can get gullible media types to write are a desperate preemptive attempt to counter people learning about reality.

Here's a blog post from a retired sex worker that I saw another Gazette writer link to a couple of months ago.

http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2011/06/22/a-false-dichotomy/
 

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>>> Joe.t, you should know better than quoting like that???? Mod 11.

Bingo MR. Haywood, the article is a complete joke, exaggerated by people who are trying to make a name for themselves and are extremely jealous individuals, if Dominec really believes the crap that he is spewing in the article then he is a bigger idiot than the one he portrays himself to be, it just shows that the guy knows absolutely nothing about the sex industry, I will read the whole article later on when I have nothing better to do, just for the laugh.
 
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I guess the club owners got together and decided to stop giving the police their brown paper bags. so the cops are getting their revenge feeding this garbage to the press.

I love how the piece lumps together dancing with streetwalking... two completely different beasts.

The violent pimping DOES happen tho guys.. it is not as frequently as one would gather from the piece. A couple of times I have had girls ask to stay at my place due to fear of abuse when they got home either because they did not make enough money or because they wanted to keep what they made. but out of the hundreds of dancers I have encountered (and a few I have dated) I know this is pretty rare. It does happen tho and even tho the article reads like a hit piece for the most part we should be aware that some of the girls are indeed trafficked. I won't mention the clubs where I encountered the girls.. i will only say you have almost all probably been to them and it was not the norm but not unheard of either.
 
I am INDEPENDENT Service Provider for the last 4 years and one thing I hate is these reports that make all the women in the sex industry look like a bunch of manipulated pimped out women victims. Yes it does exists, I would be lying if I didn't acknowledge it. BUT these are RARE cases! I work for myself, no agencies, no massage parlors, NO PIMPS!I place my ads online and decided who I want to see. 99% of the time I see business men and tourist. If I don't like the area,their attitude or the questions they ask me over the phone I do not go.If ever I have ever felt uncomfortable for ANY reason, I will get up and walk away.And to date I have NEVER felt afraid or "violated".There is a mutual respect.I enjoy there company as well as they do mine. +1 I go home with a several hundred dollars in my pocket. Victim?I think not! Who you need to watch out for are easier girls who go home with random strangers after getting DRUNK on Crescent street, go home empty handed and feeling used.

Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/trade+girls+next+door/6932392/story.html#ixzz20hmB5s00
 
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And I second all of Valarie's comment...i am getting very annoyed at all the "victim" angle and having people tell me that I need to be saved is a bit much... I chose that hobby and I am an adult , majeure et vaccinée,and i decide what I do in life...
 

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Valarie , you say that you hate all the reports saying that all the girls in this industry are victims. And to justify your point, you mention that you're an independant, no agency, no MP ... Are you insinuating that ALL women that arent independant workers or either work for agencies or MP's are PIMPED , or victims ?

See this is what I dont like about both sides I'm reading. For one I agree that `some`of these girls arent victims. Wether its a majority or a minority, that I dont know. But the fact that they work for agencies or MP's does not make them victims or pimped, like you seem to be implying. ANNNNDDDDDD a girl that labels herself as an independant can very well be a victim also. Being independant does not necessarily mean that you arent. There are lots of factors that can make you a `sort a speak`victim.

In the end, if you HATE how they generalize women in the industry in the media, please dont generalize yourself. I`ve met many women in my years of hobbying and I personally know of 4-5 of them that used to strip that were never pimped and that are very prominent part of society today.
 

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Articles in the paper pertaining to prostitution will almost always only express the negative viewpoint.

Most women not in the sex trade look down on any one who participates in it in any capacity. I am sure that some of my married friends and business associates would ostracize me due to pressure from their wives if they knew of my activities. My family members would insist on my submitting to psychiatric treatment.

How many people have the courage to defend the sex trade publically? I have to admit that I do not have the balls to do so.
 
spacecadet;

I am not sure if you misread, but I did not and would never say that females who work for agencies or MP are being pimped, because I know that isn't true. Because the report is so one sided, I felt that like showing another side, to the negativity that the report reflected. Media always reflecting the negativity in everything. My goal was to show my reality, and reality of MANY, if not most of Sp's known.

Yes I generalize my statements because after the many many years I have worked in this industry, not just as an SP, but for many years as a receptionist and driver, I feel like I have seen all this industry has to offer, negative and positive, whether me or other SP's I have worked with/ and friends who have also worked in the sex industry.

And if you or anyone else may not agree... that's your right, feel free to air it as you wish!
 
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Lily from Montreal

I do not think women that chose and the critical word here is choose, ,to work in an agency are victims...it is not everybody who has the discipline to handle all the bodyworks required to be an indy and I really do not belittle the ladies who decide that is is a fair exchange to give half or almost half of their gains to a pimp, but still I would think that more agencies girls are exploited that any indies.... Maybe it comes with age as more indy are ,hum... Shall we say mature? So more incline to take their destiny in hands?
 

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Hello all,

And I second all of Valarie's comment...i am getting very annoyed at all the "victim" angle and having people tell me that I need to be saved is a bit much... I chose that hobby and I am an adult , majeure et vaccinée,and i decide what I do in life...

While those who think like the writer would include Independent escorts in their view, Independents and the kind of freedom they have to choose are still in a small minority. Valarie's description of her circumstances and how she runs her business are not the norm in agencies, though the degree of freedom within would vary according to the self-control and will of the individual.

Are you insinuating that ALL women that arent independant workers or either work for agencies or MP's are PIMPED , or victims ?

See this is what I dont like about both sides I'm reading. For one I agree that `some`of these girls arent victims. Wether its a majority or a minority, that I dont know. But the fact that they work for agencies or MP's does not make them victims or pimped, like you seem to be implying. ANNNNDDDDDD a girl that labels herself as an independant can very well be a victim also. Being independant does not necessarily mean that you arent. There are lots of factors that can make you a `sort a speak`victim.

I don't think Valarie meant to demean agency ladies, but her conditions definitely separate her from them. What we need are agency ladies to write about their experiences and I think it's a good point of the difference between Independents and agency ladies that we practically never see anything of the kind. Where are these posters? Is it agency control, maybe indicating a problem but at least a difference from Independents?

The problem with the article is the author's obvious goal has directed a preset conclusion. In other words, the person had an outcome in mind and went in search of the facts (probably with some exaggeration too) that fit their goal to paint "the profession" as something all bad. Of course the author left out anything that would refute that goal because his morality, such as he sees it, wouldn't let him admit to anything else.

I don't think any of the events described are fake, but certainly the author had no intention of being balanced by including success stories where the ladies got out of this work what they wanted and then moved on to the career objective after using this work for support financially. The heavily one-sided viewpoint shows that. But though the writer was very unfair in his portrayal and conclusions, one has to ask if fairness is really possible. Ladies who keep a level head and stay focused on their career objectives are not going to be accessible to writers because they need anonymity to protect their personal lives, careers, and family life, which could be ruined otherwise. In effect, success stories get buried and thew public gets only the ugly picture. So of course the sources of these authors are going to be those ladies who have experienced the harsh or very harsh side of this life and desire or need to be open about it.

It's too bad writers like this care more about supporting their own predetermined moralistic outcome. Make no mistake that as much as there are success stories for the ladies in this business there are also at least as many tragic ones, sometimes fatally tragic. Honest writers have always had a huge role in being able to expose abuses in any area and create opportunities for help. But those who only care about supporting their preset conclusions with hyper one-sided images and assessments become laughable and ineffective where they might have been able to make a positive difference for the ladies who need it. That's the tragic part.

To put it succinctly, the author is an idiot...probably doing more damage than good.

Articles in the paper pertaining to prostitution will almost always only express the negative viewpoint.

It's much more profitable.

Sadly,

Merlot
 
... But though the writer was very unfair in his portrayal and conclusions, one has to ask if fairness is really possible. Ladies who keep a level head and stay focused on their career objectives are not going to be accessible to writers because they need anonymity to protect their personal lives, careers, and family life, which could be ruined otherwise ...

Honest writers have always had a huge role in being able to expose abuses in any area and create opportunities for help...
A few individual escorts publicly speaking out won't be very effective by itself in the long run anyway. The response from the prohibitionists is to continue claiming that they are an extremely small minority, or pushed to come forward by evil pimp overlords. What is needed is real academic studies and/or surveys, hopefully large scale ones from universities or other neutral organizations, and objective and honest media willing to report the results. The exhaustive 2008 New Zealand government report is probably the best example so far,
http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/act-helps-health-and-safety-sex-workers-report-says

and here is an article about a less extensive one of 247 sex workers in Queensland Australia.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/64277.php

From Britain, "Inquiry fails to find single trafficker who forced anybody into prostitution"

The New Zealand report's number of 2332 sex workers would extrapolate to almost 20,000 for Canada's population. It is absurdly nonsensical for anyone to believe that all or most sex workers across Canada are victims involuntarily in the business, yet that is exactly what the prohibitionists have bullied the media into believing and shout down anyone disagreeing. Even if the real number is not that large, thousands of workers in any business certainly deserve to be listened to, and have their demands for rights and work place safety be afforded appropriate respect.

Like another poster in this thread, I am amazed at how police in Canada get away with their two-faced defense of the status quo and the laws they rarely enforce while turning a blind eye to most of the supposedly outlawed sex businesses.
Australia: Legalizing Brothels To Stamp Out Police Corruption
... sex dens in Sydney have managed to stay in business for years by greasing the palms of corrupt law enforcers. Now officials in the Australian state of New South Wales plan to stamp out the practice by legalizing brothels. A special commission investigating police corruption in the state has uncovered evidence linking senior police officers...
"Decriminalizing" is a more accurate word than "legalizing" for what occurred in New South Wales. And note it was police who were the ones advocating for decriminalization in Western Australia.
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...ck-brothels-move/story-e6frg13u-1111114170946
... we don't want the absurd situation of the police being required to turn a blind eye to any illegal activity.

"It is unlawful to manage a brothel, it is unlawful to live off the earnings of a prostitute, both of those are archaic laws."

A Police Royal Commission in WA recommended the laws be changed to avoid the possibility of police corruption in terms of turning a blind eye to something illegal but unenforceable ...
 
Hello all,

While those who think like the writer would include Independent escorts in their view, Independents and the kind of freedom they have to choose are still in a small minority. Valarie's description of her circumstances and how she runs her business are not the norm in agencies, though the degree of freedom within would vary according to the self-control and will of the individual.

I don't think Valarie meant to demean agency ladies, but her conditions definitely separate her from them. What we need are agency ladies to write about their experiences and I think it's a good point of the difference between Independents and agency ladies that we practically never see anything of the kind. Where are these posters? Is it agency control, maybe indicating a problem but at least a difference from Independents?

Merlot

Thank you Merlot... Your right I wouldn't demean any ladies working for agencies. Like I said before, the story was very one sided.I know what they go though,and the way they are treated, Which is the largest reason why I would never work as an SP for an agency...And I think I should make it clear that I am not speaking of all agencies... Just the ones I have experienced!
 

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Hello Haywood,

My reference relating to your line about "a few individual escorts publicly speaking out" was only about the indications of the differences between agency ladies and the Independents, not about a solution.

You are absolutely right that what is needed is consistent long-term unbiased investigation and publication that would give the public a much more enlightened view of the more positive side of this business...but unfortunately, also the very ugly side. Still, broad public education is the best way.

The problem of anonymity will remain though. Will enough of the women who enjoy the business come out and risk the current stigma or risk of retribution? Will enough of those who have moved to careers, marriages, and families come out? I foresee opponents of surveys or studies claiming anonymous sources claiming fraud, and the unwillingness to be known as an indication of shame.

This issue will always remain polarizing because opponents will always claim a moral high ground based on their religious beliefs, or what will still be perceived by many as an exploitation of women...regardless of any professed willingness and satisfaction by the individual sex worker. The "business" will always stir strong gut reactions that cannot accept it as right.

Legality would reduce, maybe greatly, the abusive and dangerous side of this business. But just as women in relationships or marriage can suffer greatly from a certain type of spouse, the same bad and/or dangerous types of clients can never be weeded out. That, as well as their morality, will always give cause to those determined to be against legalization

I doubt legalization will change the exploitation by "bad cops". While they could no longer use coercion based on illegality they could always use the presumed regulation and licensing structures for leverage, though the danger of exploitative cops being exposed and prosecuted would at last make such involvement risky for them.

Decriminalization would probably be best first move. But be ready for a firestorm of reaction from feminists and moralists, and a continued risk to the state of living for any lady who participates and becomes known.

Regards,

Merlot
 

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The problem with the article is the author's obvious goal has directed a preset conclusion. In other words, the person had an outcome in mind and went in search of the facts (probably with some exaggeration too) that fit their goal to paint "the profession" as something all bad. Of course the author left out anything that would refute that goal because his morality, such as he sees it, wouldn't let him admit to anything else.

It's much more profitable.

Sadly,

Merlot


God I hate agreeing with you Merlot but this is one of your better posts because it is the truth(God I'm never going to hear the end of it from Iggy).:D
 
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