Guys that have handicap, skin disease, or other visible health problems vs the Hobby

[UncleBob]

Guys or Gal because I met SP's that had eczema or psorasis.

This thread is to continue a thread that has been deleted by the OP.
In the deleted thread, the OP was complaining about the bad service he received with an agency girl after presenting himself in front of her with psoraris condition, and this, without prior warning.


I believe that if someone has such skin disease, it is showing disrespect to the girl to show up in front of her and require a regular GFE service like there is nothing wrong.
It might not be contagious (Do you bring medical proof?), but it is still sometime disgusting or very difficult to give a good service in these conditions.


I believe that Handicap guys have the right to get serviced but there should be some good basic rules to follow:

1- The guy should always warn the Agency/SP of his condition when booking. Not once on the spot.
2- The SP should not be blame si she said at during the booking that she would try but once in front of him, refuse or tried but failed.
3- Compensation should be negociated in case of refusal because of the lost on her side. (Especially if no warning was given).

If dealing with an agency, it is the responsability not to talk in the behalf of the girl but rather check with her directly.
Every SP should be aware of how to act in these situation and refuse politely if they are not confortable and they should not feel forced to do it and scared of any reprimand or penalty from the agency.

 

[BookerL]

Guys or Gal because I met SP's that had eczema or psorasis.

This thread is to continue a thread that has been deleted by the OP.
In the deleted thread, the OP was complaining about the bad service he received with an agency girl after presenting himself in front of her with psoraris condition, and this, without prior warning.


I believe that if someone has such skin disease, it is showing disrespect to the girl to show up in front of her and require a regular GFE service like there is nothing wrong.
It might not be contagious (Do you bring medical proof?), but it is still sometime disgusting or very difficult to give a good service in these conditions.


I believe that Handicap guys have the right to get serviced but there should be some good basic rules to follow:

1- The guy should always warn the Agency/SP of his condition when booking. Not once on the spot.
2- The SP should not be blame si she said at during the booking that she would try but once in front of him, refuse or tried but failed.
3- Compensation should be negociated in case of refusal because of the lost on her side. (Especially if no warning was given).

Those are always complicated situations .
I would say that even overweight guys should notify the agency also ,amputees ,its not every lady that has the capacity to service in those situations ,but some do, if they are not taken by surprise





Cheers





Booker

 

[pat98]

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I would say that even overweight guys should notify the agency also ...

Agree 100% a girl told me exactly that ... as she had to service some very overweight guys (not a lot) and she wasn't comfortable at all ....
And Yeah some girls can do it all that matter is always hygiene, good maneers AND ultimately respect to begin with as telling about any conditions before especially at booking process !

 

[UncleBob]

This remind me of a story that a SP friend told me not long ago, (1-2 month ago), about this guy that booked with her, once naked she saw he had skin lesions on part of the penis.
She did not refuse him and the guy did not mention anything.
She said to herself, If I let him go, he wont pay and he will make me loose one hour.

So she wanted to offer a CBJ and he said hey I want BBBJ... She put her hands on the infected part of the penis and started to blow the tip only and the guy was a bit exasperated and asked for deep throat.

Then she felt totally disrescpected and exploded in front of the guy and showed him the lesions... No matter it is contagious or not, requiring BBBJ like there was nothing was totally wrong.
She asked for the money and the guy left pissed off.

She was obiously traumatised of the situation.

Some girls could be more polite but this guy certainly did not act correctly either and clearly did not respect the girl at all.

 

[BookerL]

She was obiously traumatised of the situation.

You loose good girls because of situations like this !
Sometimes the girls becomes hysterical .
Not always simple
My worst scenario in my career happened in stag party where the 2 girls where doing a Lezbo show for 20 guys after the show the 2 organizers had a full meal deal .
One of them blew blood instead of cum .
Nerve wrecking moments for the young girl and I .
Finally the guy admitted he had prostate cancer ,but we went and had the SP checked at the hospital anyways .
Whatever might endanger or make her believe she is or put her uncomfortable,should be discussed ahead .
Surprising the SP ,can be scary .





Cheers





Booker

 

[Doggyluver]

I applaud the women who work in this hobby, they service some real assholes and take a real risk with their health and possibly their lives. There is no was a girl should be expected to touch let alone DTBBBJ a guys who has lesions of any kind on his penis, to expect that she should is unacceptable. Likewise any skin condition if not disclosed upfront should be something that the client should expect to have the girl be wary of. If you don't disclose upfront, don't expect decent service. I do understand that guys with medical problems want to get laid now and then but they are not buying a person, they are buying time with that individual and if respect is not given by the client the girl should not be expected to give respect in return.

 

[Lily from Montreal]

The key is to tell in advance ,when I started I was with an agency and one of my first meeting I arrived at the motel and the gentleman was half paralyzed with a leg brace,hum, I felt bad for him so manage the overcome the technical problem and we did have a good time but I would have appreciated to know in advance...

And on the other end ( also stemming from a comment in another thread),guys if there are some physical feature that are a deal breakers,ask before booking?
I am thinking about one of the guy writing that for him any scar or stretch mark from having kids was a no-no...

Well unless you pick up 18-20 girls ,and even that,there is a possibility some of us will have had kids,cesarian or surgery...

For example ,I now have a little zigzag scar on my little finger from my last December surgery,if someone want a perfect doll I want to know to be able to refuse him before walking the door...

 

[tiannas]

This remind me of a story that a SP friend told me not long ago, (1-2 month ago), about this guy that booked with her, once naked she saw he had skin lesions on part of the penis.
She did not refuse him and the guy did not mention anything.
She said to herself, If I let him go, he wont pay and he will make me loose one hour.

So she wanted to offer a CBJ and he said hey I want BBBJ... She put her hands on the infected part of the penis and started to blow the tip only and the guy was a bit exasperated and asked for deep throat.

This troubles me. Risking infection to herself and to the clients that would come after this one. Not worth an hour's pay in my opinion. The area around the lesions could easily have been contaminated.
There is always a risk that you will piss a client off if you deny services or turn them away. However the clients are not going to look after your health and well being, you must do that for yourself.

 

[Merlot]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I believe that Handicap guys have the right to get serviced but there should be some good basic rules to follow:

1- The guy should always warn the Agency/SP of his condition when booking. Not once on the spot.

YES, with serious reservations. In the case where there is an apparent problem, especially when there is a flaring up in vital areas, then absolutely. As I wrote previously, the client must be the first to deal with his condition. Is there a problem, not because it's infectious but because in this hobby such signs can be very worrying and frightening, there is a problem. No one with a flaring condition can consider seeing an escort without realistically knowing it will cause an issue and being willing to warn the agency and lady and doing something to prove what it really is so everyone can relax. Show her an ointment you are using...show her a prescription bottle (blocking out last name address) for proof. Something more than just a story. Otherwise don't expect her to do a diagnosis and be the perfect GFE. You need to reassure her and understand if she has reservations or can't go through with the meeting.

NO, depending on the situation. There are many types of skin conditions that are genetically inherited, permanent in various degrees, and never pose any risk at all to anyone. Nearly everyone has something to deal with. Since puberty, mine has rarely ever flared up, and for whatever reason never in a vital area that would concern any escort. I've also met escorts that had the same thing and the same level of condition and even when they tried to show me it was difficult to detect despite my lifelong experience knowing what to look for. What worries me is giving a warning for a condition that currently is not active and creating an unnecessary situation of worry or irrational fear.

What also concerns me is the "excuse" not to perform issue. All the ladies have a right to be informed and play it safe or even reject a meeting if they don't feel comfortable. No one can legitimately argue against that, but I can see the issue also becoming an excuse to fail to perform and still take the full donation rate. Imagine the lady saying (which has happened to me) I'm expecting my period any time so don't worry if you see something. Okay says the client, but cut your rate. How would the lady feel? It concerns me that each side can find ways to take unfair advantages.

2- The SP should not be blame si she said at during the booking that she would try but once in front of him, refuse or tried but failed.

I have to disagree here. The burden starts with the guy, but the lady must be fair when making her choice. Keep in mind this is a fantasy business. We clients are all very concerned with fantasy and keeping the mood. The agency and the lady know this well enough to guarantee high degrees of service in many advertisements under fair conditions. If the guy informs the agency and the agency accepts, the lady can still make a choice whether to go through with it, but she has to make a choice. I support her right to say no, or cut down service options which would have to be mutually agreed upon, but don't get into a situation where a business made for "FANTASY" deteriorates into...uh...I dunno...maybe...ish....I'm not sure...I know I said yes, but I've changed my mind. Make a choice both are comfortable with or move on. If the guy has done everything rational and reasonable to keep the lady informed it's then on her make a choice and accept a proportional loss of the fee if she wants to back off, the same as the guy cannot cut her fee if she basically did what she agreed to but he doesn't think the service was quite what it should have been.

I believe that Handicap guys have the right to get serviced but there should be some good basic rules to follow:

3- Compensation should be negociated in case of refusal because of the lost on her side. (Especially if no warning was given).

Compensation should reflect adult decisions on both sides. He pays fully under any circumstances where a mutual agreement was made and service was provided as agreed. No discounts unless that was part of the agreement. The client has no right to claim...well, she wasn't so good this time as an excuse to cut payment. Any lady has a right to be worried and a little under par under the circumstances. However, if she breaks a mutual agreement and doesn't want to follow through that's fine. I sympathize absolutely with all the ladies and every risk they face. But let's act like adults too. If you change your mind before sex expect only a small time use compensation, and that is questionable because clients are losing their time and chances for service that day/night too. If the situation falls apart during the main event then that's where there has to be fair negotiation/compensation. In that situation don't blame the lady for getting worried, but it's still a mess and a loss for both partners. Negotiate with that in mind.

As for handicaps specifically, I take it this means something physical not anything that could possibly be a risk to the lady at all. This should be easy to decide on one way or another. In my view unless it's something that creates an inability or physical complication to have sex it is a YES or NO situation. DECIDE! Make it easy on both sides. NEITHER partner should let this get embarrassing.

Good luck to all, :thumb:

Merlot

 

[Handi]

As some of you know, I have a physical handicap and can't move much because of muscular disease. I ALWAYS advise the booker or the indy before, It's important to know if the women is confortable with the situation. I respectfully understand if the lady says no, even if im sometimes pretty disapointed because there are some very well reviewed ladies that I can't see, but it's her choice and I respect that. A while ago, I'm pretty sure some booker didnt really asked the lady before sending her and I felt she wasnt at ease and ended up having a bad experience, thats why I tend to deal with bookers i trust and knows my situation well (franky at the moment) or indys. Anyway, i think its really important to advise before booking! And if she says no dont try to push her... You will probably both have a bad experience in the end.

 

[lgna69xxx]

Handi, you are one of the kindest guys i have ever met and for the way you deal with life with a lust for it like no other person i have ever met, despite it's many hardships, i look up to you and wish to be a better person like you are, you are such an inspiration to me and i would guess, to many others as well. If you EVER need anything and i can help out, you know how to reach me. Even if it is to vouch for you to an indy, agency owner or any lady you wish to see, if i can help, you can count on me bro. Hope to see you soon and keep smiling mon ami.

 

[Handi]

Thanks Iggy appreciate it a lot There is actually one lady I would really like to reach i'll pm you lol. And by the way, if there is any other guys out there with physical handicaps that are reading this and are affraid to get into this hobby, dont hesitate to contact me, It took me a lot of time to get into it because I didnt know any other hobbyist and didnt know at all what to expect from the ladies, and today I'm very happy I jumped into the boat. I can advise you some ladies!

 

[amanda_001s]

I remember the first time I was confronted to something I didn't know and didn't expect at all, I refund the customer, but got yelled at.
It was in an Incall agency at my beginnings. The guy who was a regular of the place show up, he was an overweigt italian, no problem there, he was all smiles and jokes. But when I undressed him he had a testicle the size of a soccer ball... He was overweight with a giant testicle and the condom didn't seems to want to stay in place. I was stressed, kept putting my hand at the base of his penis to replace the condom, he was so pissed off that he yelled at me, I gave him back the entire donation and set it up with the other lady. I just could'nt do him.

In term of skin disease I have a sweet regular in San Francisco who is covered head to toe by a bad psoriasism, he is handsome, well articulate, funny, a real sweatheart. I ask him directly but nicely at our first meeting, what is all thoses scars, is it psoriasism, he told me yes and explain it wasn't contagious, I already know but just wanted to be sure. There's a way to ask questions and there's a way to get answers. We shouldn't be afraid to step up and ask, communication is the key, If we don't know, we might get affraid and offer less than usual, it's normal so let's just all be straight and enjoy our time together.

 

[cobra1]

Handi, you are one of the kindest guys i have ever met and for the way you deal with life with a lust for it like no other person i have ever met, despite it's many hardships, i look up to you and wish to be a better person like you are, you are such an inspiration to me and i would guess, to many others as well. If you EVER need anything and i can help out, you know how to reach me. Even if it is to vouch for you to an indy, agency owner or any lady you wish to see, if i can help, you can count on me bro. Hope to see you soon and keep smiling mon ami.

without a doubt an inspiration and a person to look up to.
i tip my merbite hat to you MR. handi

 

[Handi]

I dont know if we've met but thanks hehe!

without a doubt an inspiration and a person to look up to.
i tip my merbite hat to you MR. handi

 

[cobra1]

no we haven't.
but saw you at the before
last gt. admired your attitude
talking to girls, living life
despite.... awesome
thumbs up and will definitly
say hi in july

 

[tiannas]

As some of you know, I have a physical handicap and can't move much because of muscular disease. I ALWAYS advise the booker or the indy before, It's important to know if the women is confortable with the situation. I respectfully understand if the lady says no, even if im sometimes pretty disapointed because there are some very well reviewed ladies that I can't see, but it's her choice and I respect that. A while ago, I'm pretty sure some booker didnt really asked the lady before sending her and I felt she wasnt at ease and ended up having a bad experience, thats why I tend to deal with bookers i trust and knows my situation well (franky at the moment) or indys. Anyway, i think its really important to advise before booking! And if she says no dont try to push her... You will probably both have a bad experience in the end.

Handi, your attitude is perfect. If all clients were like you we wouldn't even be having this discussion! I met you only briefly, but you seem like a really good person, and to me that is what counts the most. When someone is good and kind it is easy to forget about any physical qualities that may otherwise be uncomfortable. I've been asked in the past how I could possibly get turned on by men who were "less than perfect" physically. But for me a sweet man with a great attitude wins me over every time.

 

[sam311]

Right on, Handi.
We need to put ourselves in their shoes. Will we accept to make love to ladies with whom we are not comfortable. Or will we DATY them if we see lesions on their bodies? I think the answer is no. So if a lady refuses to service us, even though it was agreed upon on the phone, we should respect her.

 

[Handi]

Handi, your attitude is perfect. If all clients were like you we wouldn't even be having this discussion! I met you only briefly, but you seem like a really good person, and to me that is what counts the most. When someone is good and kind it is easy to forget about any physical qualities that may otherwise be uncomfortable. I've been asked in the past how I could possibly get turned on by men who were "less than perfect" physically. But for me a sweet man with a great attitude wins me over every time.

Don't be affraid to say hello next GT I can attend It would be my pleasure to meet you! Maybe i'll win you over lol!

 

[What's My Name]

Guys or Gal because I met SP's that had eczema or psorasis.

This thread is to continue a thread that has been deleted by the OP.
In the deleted thread, the OP was complaining about the bad service he received with an agency girl after presenting himself in front of her with psoraris condition, and this, without prior warning.


I believe that if someone has such skin disease, it is showing disrespect to the girl to show up in front of her and require a regular GFE service like there is nothing wrong.
It might not be contagious (Do you bring medical proof?), but it is still sometime disgusting or very difficult to give a good service in these conditions.


I believe that Handicap guys have the right to get serviced but there should be some good basic rules to follow:

1- The guy should always warn the Agency/SP of his condition when booking. Not once on the spot.
2- The SP should not be blame si she said at during the booking that she would try but once in front of him, refuse or tried but failed.
3- Compensation should be negociated in case of refusal because of the lost on her side. (Especially if no warning was given).

If dealing with an agency, it is the responsability not to talk in the behalf of the girl but rather check with her directly.
Every SP should be aware of how to act in these situation and refuse politely if they are not confortable and they should not feel forced to do it and scared of any reprimand or penalty from the agency.

Unclebob I was not complaining, it may of sounded like that but I was not complaining, my whole intention through out all this was to raise awareness of Psoriasis and skin conditions, just for educational information. But I am glad there is a great conversation about this maybe someone can learn something from my experience.