Harvard Men's Soccer Team Suspended; Posted Sexual Scouting Report on Women's Team

[EagerBeaver]

More campus shenanigans in the Ivy League:

http://www.espn.com/espnw/sports/ar...ts-documents-women-team?addata=espn:frontpage

Ironically they were suspended for doing the same thing we do here on MERB- actually, the whole purpose of the board is as a running sexual scouting report. This is like MERB meets Ivy League soccer!

 

[hungry101]

I read the first two paragraphs and then stopped. Stop calling these places of higher learning and just call them places of left wing indoctrination. I am more worried about what escorts sitting in the backseat of a smoke filled car think about Johns. LOL

 

[Birds]

Feminazis strike again! Now these students have basically one year ruined.

 

[CaptRenault]

I am shocked! Shocked! To learn that Hahvahd guys are...well, just like any other guys their age.

Now where can I read the "scouting report?"

 

[EagerBeaver]

Now the Harvard Cross Country Team is being implicated in the same kind of scandal, "lewd spreadsheets":

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/...team-made-spreadsheets-women-team-report-says

 

[lgna69xxx]

What a joke. Nothing coming from that state surprises me anymore. Is the athletic director a butch lesbian or a pansy?

 

[EagerBeaver]

Washington U Men's Soccer Team Suspended

They join a growing list of suspended men's college teams:

http://www.espn.com/sports/soccer/s...cer-team-suspended-comments-women-soccer-team

 

[blkone]

So... no one thinks making a semi-public record about a persons good looks (or lack of) is bad?

I am a decade or more younger than most of you, maybe that's why we see it differently...

P.S --- No one thinks it's creepy as fuck to compile a database on fellow athletes and fill it with nothing athletic?

 

[Julia Sky]

So... no one thinks making a semi-public record about a persons good looks (or lack of) is bad?

I am a decade or more younger than most of you, maybe that's why we see it differently...

P.S --- No one thinks it's creepy as fuck to compile a database on fellow athletes and fill it with nothing athletic?

Thank god someone thinks the same. I found it weird that someone even compared it with locker room talk, it's like so different from making it circulate all over.

And it's not just about looks, they're also saying x must lack experience in bed, y is a total whore, blablabla. It really sucks for the girls.

Escorts are paid to be hot and everything and it makes sense to review an escort that way. These girls play soccer. They never asked to be rated in a circulating document about their looks and possible sexual skills or lack of. Talk about it all you want with the buddies but don't make it public wtf.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I am the thread starter and have not stated my opinion, as I thought there would be different opinions on the subject.

We have not been provided with many details on what these scouting reports consisted of, but I would agree that it's stupid, indiscreet and likely offensive to the girls involved to be posting stuff like this online or in any semi-public forum. These girls are not escorts offering sexual services for money who, as with escorts, can fairly be commented on, on a board like MERB. So I think they should be held accountable in some way, although suspending a whole team seems to me unusually broad and I would be willing to guarantee that not every player on these teams participated, and there may be just a few so called culprits. So the whole batch of apples gets thrown out despite just a few rotten ones.

These guys should have used better judgment than making this public. The rule that what is said in a lockerroom, stays in the lockerroom, was violated.

 

[talkinghead]

Right. There are indeed complex threats to free speech on college campuses today but this is not one of them. Sports teams, in part because they represent the college, have always had conduct policies, dress codes for travel, etc. Acting immature and disrespectful, not to say sexist and offensive, is clearly not appropriate for athletes. (It's not appropriate for anyone but the context here is college athletics.) What these teams did would not have been tolerated by my *high school* in the 1970s. And asking its athletes to act like adults is part of the educational mission of colleges. As in: grow up and show respect for others. Not complicated.


Edit: EB posted while I was writing mine; I agree with him. And I can remember a couple of my high school teams misbehaving during away games. The whole team paid the price even if some didn't participate. That may be unfair but it's the team-part.

 

[Julia Sky]

It's true, suspension of the whole teem might be a bit too much, but at the same these guys knew what they were doing. The ones that did not take part should have inform someone at least, I'm pretty sure if this little game had lasted just a few days instead of years, the consequences would be a lot smaller...

As for the details this article doesn't provide much, and we can't find a bunch either but I searched the subject in both English and French and that's how I discovered they also talked about the possible sexual performances of the girls

 

[talkinghead]

Patron, while I don't entirely agree with your concerns, they're an interesting observation on contemporary culture. But they don't apply in this case. Once those lists became public, the colleges had no choice but to apply some kind of sanction. No college would ever accept this kind of behavior. Any team or club or academic organization at any level for the last 50 years would have faced some kind of penalty. The athletes acted stupidly (apparently Harvard students can be stupid, too) and got called on it. And even if we agree that 18-21 year old students, men and women, aren't fully mature, it's obviously the role of the college to encourage the maturation process. Now we can debate what "mature" behavior is and what steps colleges should take, but colleges seem like they're on pretty solid ground when they say "don't distribute demeaning and offensive comments about women, especially your classmates." That's not radical new PC speech-censure; that's just common sense decency and respect.

By the way, bikone said something that's worth considering: he implied that younger people may have different attitudes about what constitutes sexual harassment and inappropriate speech. I'm not sure that many young men and women feel the crisis that you're seeing.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I can tell you that young people do not separate privacy and free speech issues very well. Whenever I have a civil case brought by a younger person I do a Facebook search on them. Incredibly, they often make statements about their pending court cases. In personal injury cases in which the young person is claiming injuries I even had a case in which this younger woman about 20 yo completely threw under the bus her disclosed medical expert calling him an incompetent asshole, among other things, on her Facebook. I see so much of this it's ridiculous. Younger people put everything out there and there is no concept of privacy. And to say this is useful stuff in Court is an understatement. I confront these kids with these posts at their depositions and then they feel like assholes and tell their attorneys to settle the case. It's almost too easy.

 

[talkinghead]

I can tell you that young people do not separate privacy and free speech issues very well. Whenever I have a civil case brought by a younger person I do a Facebook search on them. Incredibly, they often make statements about their pending court cases. In personal injury cases in which the young person is claiming injuries I even had a case in which this younger woman about 20 yo completely threw under the bus her disclosed medical expert calling him an incompetent asshole, among other things, on her Facebook. I see so much of this it's ridiculous. Younger people put everything out there and there is no concept of privacy. And to say this is useful stuff in Court is an understatement. I confront these kids with these posts at their depositions and then they feel like assholes and tell their attorneys to settle the case. It's almost too easy.

I agree completely. I see the same thing all the time in my job. As a private person who believes in a very liberal interpretation of free speech, I find their attitudes often baffling and sometimes horrifying.

 

[blkone]

But let's look at a world in which the consequence of doing something immature, but not really criminal, is that a big part of your life is taken away. Not sure if these guy's scholarships are going to get revoked, but that wouldn't surprise me. At the very least a big part of their identities are stripped away, and they will have to answer a lot of unpleasant questions from family and friends.

Oh for Christ sake, cry me a river.

We're not dealing with 13 year old boys here.

The North American education system(s) are broken! What kind of fool(s) compile(s) a record like this knowing damn well (if you're even remotely intelligent) that everything you do on a computer can be intercepted?

Why do we give idiots scholarships?

That is the question we must ask ourselves - why do we give idiots scholarships? ... Why? Why!? Why!!??

 

[hungry101]

Who knows? Maybe these boys deserve to be suspended? As EB said, I did not see what they wrote and I do not know how public the comments were. However, I am very suspicious of the universities mentioned. I am sick and tired of these bastions of liberalism. I would not be surprised if this is an over reaction. This may turn out to be another attack on the hated white hetro males by the liberal thought police. I just saw on the news that the University of Colorado and the University of Wisconsin that they will offer classes entitled: The Problem of Whiteness. If you do not believe me please follow the link to the University of Wisconsin: http://african.wisc.edu/content/problem-whiteness. Does anyone really need to go in debt to sit through this left-wing gobbledygook? White hetrosexual males are under attack on our college campuses and the universities will not be happy until the white male is emasculated.

I remember the Black Panthers marching on Duke after the fake rape claim was bought hook, line, and sinker by Duke's faculty who signed a petition against the lacrosse team there. That was a disgrace and like the fake UVA rape case and some of the other co-ed silliness, it sours my point of view. I don't think the universities can be rational and practical anymore.

 

[blkone]

Who knows? Maybe these boys deserve to be suspended? As EB said, I did not see what they wrote and I do not know how public the comments were. However, I am very suspicious of the universities mentioned. I am sick and tired of these bastions of liberalism. I would not be surprised if this is an over reaction. This may turn out to be another attack on the hated white hetro males by the liberal thought police. I just saw on the news that the University of Colorado and the University of Wisconsin that they will offer classes entitled: The Problem of Whiteness. If you do not believe me please follow the link to the University of Wisconsin: http://african.wisc.edu/content/problem-whiteness. Does anyone really need to go in debt to sit through this left-wing gobbledygook? White hetrosexual males are under attack on our college campuses and the universities will not be happy until the white male is emasculated.

I remember the Black Panthers marching on Duke after the fake rape claim was bought hook, line, and sinker by Duke's faculty who signed a petition against the lacrosse team there. That was a disgrace and like the fake UVA rape case and some of the other co-ed silliness, it sours my point of view. I don't think the universities can be rational and practical anymore.

So the African Cultural studies department made these boys behave the way they did? I see... That sounds... like a perfectly rational conclusion.

Do you think the people that make up the African Cultural studies department implanted these poor boys with microchips too? The damned fiends!

 

[hungry101]

So the African Cultural studies department made these boys behave the way they did? I see... That sounds... like a perfectly rational conclusion.

Do you think the people that make up the African Cultural studies department implanted these poor boys with microchips too? The damned fiends!

Nope. I know that you know what I am talking about. I have read your previous posts in the "buying a condo thread" so I know that you are not well. I will put you on ignore until you seek treatment.

To the rest of you I will say that it is the prevailing attitude on the University Campuses from the University Presidents on down. It is the anti white, heterosexual, male culture that these leftist universities cultivate. Where they "check privileges" and shout in the faces of these "breeders." I am sick and tired of it. A list of white males discussing sex with woman can't be tolerated. If these boys only had a few men on the list then it would be OK. Right now there is some University President lamenting why can't these boys just be like Caitlin Jenner and show up for school in high heels and a dress?

 

[blkone]

Nope. I know that you know what I am talking about. I have read your previous posts in the "buying a condo thread" so I know that you are not well. I will put you on ignore until you seek treatment.

I am criticizing a political system (we're not in the Soviet Union are we? - Google > 'Sluggish Schizophrenia'), you're claiming that the African studies department at some university made a few idiots behave the way they did.

How did they do it? Chips? Voodoo? How did the African Cultural studies dept control the minds of these students?