has anyone ever tried a 'pre-meeting'??

[Halloween Mike]

No...but then again, nobody is booking you for appointments (since you're the client). When you book with a SP, you're potentially taking away a timeslot from someone else. Time = $. Plus its your choice to come all this way and pay travel expenses just for the sake of seeing a SP.

Yeah but the "contract" of the meeting work both ways. I could had seen another SP as well. I am not talking normal cancellations as those happen on both side and its often annoying sure but its part of the business. I am talking of an SP refusing to see a client for x reason. Its both the right of the SP and the client to do so, and thinking about it its also something that should enter the "normality of the business and can happen". Nobody want it to happen obviously but it could.

As an outcaller obviously i would definately give something if that would happen, as there is a lot of trouble involved. But if i was the one making the trip to an incall... Not sure honestly.

But we are talking for talking, as the chances for me to refuse somebody are probably close to 0.3%. lol

 

[Julia Sky]

Well if you travel, you have a room already for the night and plenty of time to book someone else. Especially agencies will/should offer someone else if your girl refuses you. But as an escort, wether incall or outcall, we are literally losing an hour , which is 200 to 300, that we will most likely not get back. Yes of course just like you I still have my incall for the rest of my shift but lots of girls don't see 5 clients a day lol, I know I don't. An hour makes a huge difference in a wallet for some of us. Incall means we have to pay for the rent, the wifi, the towels, cleaning products, soap etc. It's not free either. And we have to clean the incall all the time, that adds up to the "trouble" you're talking about. I don't see how being drove around Montreal, getting out of the car and right back in involves more trouble than all the expenses and the work an incall involves... If you pay for the girl's driver.... I think it's rude to say it's ok to give compensation to outcall girls but not incall girls...

 

[VictoriaJolie]

Well if you travel, you have a room already for the night and plenty of time to book someone else......

I fully agree...It take me an hour to get to the incall ..I need to réservé it and pay for it..

I think the best in that situation would be to go to massage studio where they do the line up

 

[Halloween Mike]

Well if you travel, you have a room already for the night and plenty of time to book someone else. Especially agencies will/should offer someone else if your girl refuses you. If you pay for the girl's driver.... I think it's rude to say it's ok to give compensation to outcall girls but not incall girls...

That may had been right 5 years ago but these days... lol. Honestly even at 1 pm sometimes your choices are much slimer. Indies often prefer a 24h notice when booking (and its understandable) or may be unreachable "on the spot" as they are with a client or busy doing something else, and lots of agencies fully book by the early PM hours. There may be a couple girls left later but honestly if i was to switch to plan b at 7-8 pm these days, i don't think it could work at all.

As for the driver vs incall fee. Well its more a transportation thing. If you ask for an outcall she has to get her transportation (usually its a driver) but it can be a cab or else. The driver get paid no matter if the girl do her call or not, thus why i say its imperative to pay the driver fee as she will LOOSE 20$ and i mean like actual loosing, not a "potential" loss as if she saw another client. But ill admit i didn't take Victoria's type of incall into consideration in my exemple. In that case yeah she does loose transportation money as well. I had in mind more an agency outcall where the girls are already there no matter what for there shift and such.

But as a client going to an incall i am the one paying transportation to get there.

Liike i said above, the chances for me to cancel a meeting are slim to none, so it should not be an issue much but in a case it would happen... thats how i see it. Honestly last year i saw somebody wich was very beautifull, when i saw her getting out of the car (i was waiting for her downstair) i was like "wow.... i can't wait...." lol , but as soon as she got close and conversation (or should i say lack of) started i got a bad feeling. As we got to my room (in silence...:\) and when we arrived and the cold / not interested attitude kept getting worst i was thinking to myself maybe i should have her go... I knew the chemistry was off. But she was very beautifull ... and it happened a few times girls where shy, uninspired for the 10 min pre-sex introduction and actually turned completely the other side for the sex, like super good ... So i said to myself lets hope for the best. But it never improved and the session was mediocre ... So should i had canceled her? If i had done it, should i had been the one to blame for her cold attitude?? Everybody that knows me here, girls or guys know im a pretty easy going dude. The look part is obviously different and its some of the guys reasons to cancel but even there there is lot that can enter as factors, as heavy photoshop, tons of tatoos when none appears on picture (and its not mentioned she has tons of them) and so on. I know tatoos is not an issue for a bunch of peoples, it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me either (unless her face is covered or something lol) but it is for some.

Maybe a generalization is not the best in that case, maybe its better to evaluate a case by case scenario.

Personally, if I arranged a session and it is not an obvious B&S and she hasn't said or done anything offensive, if it turns out that I can't go through with it for any reason of my own, face, voice, she looks like my sister/ daughter etc...
I would just pay her the full amount we agreed upon. It is not her fault, I am the one that wasted her time, $250-$400 is not going to make me any richer or poorer, I have lost far more on things I screwed up.

Lol i wish i could be like you buddy. But your good situation in this case is not a normality, at least not in real life. I have to wait months to get that 200-400$ session personally. I can'T loose such a sum of money. As that would mean im not seeing anyone else that moment and won't see anyone again for another 2-3 months. If i had 200 000$ in my bank account or whatever then yeah i would probably not care too much of loosing 200$. But its not the case lol. Money is obviously relative to the person and how much they have. I am not a cheap person and don't mind paying for my extras or whatever, i never would even think of trying to deal a price with an SP either. But in the case of money loss for no return at all... i guess this is where i get a bit more frisky.

Overall even with some less than stellar meetings like i said above, overall this business have been good to me. This is why i am still fully enjoying it. I always been very carefull and a very safe guy (no BP, going for the better agencies etc) but its something i have to do in my situation to make sure i keep enjoying this business like i do and coming back

 

[2fast2slow]

in this case, I had booked 30 miuntes, not an hour. I went to her place of residence, she did not have to go anywhere. She did not even have makeup on and her dress was very plain. I sincerely think she made no extra preparation for my arrival. I also beleive she chooses only 1 or 2 clients a day. That's her decision not mine. If I was her only client for the day and I refused, she can easily make up for it. The fact of the matter is, if you cannot see the sps face, and you cant see her appartment (which itself can be a turnoff), can't smell the person, etc, you cant decide ahead of time if you really want to see her. I don't think i should have to compensate more than $20 for her lost time. We both lost time. It cannot always workout. In any business (and I know this business is special) you cant be expected to compensate someone because you declined their product when all the specs where finally revealed to you. And if an sp is being refused too many times, maybe she should quit, or lower her price...there are too many girls in this business anyways.

 

[BigBrowser]

So let me get this straight, if she lowers her price then it is ok if she has a filthy apartment, smells a bit and she can be a little on the ugly side as well.
After all who is going to pass up such a deal, I'll take two please.

Hahaha, I guess he meant that by lowering her rates, the SP will attract clients that are more likely to find her ok because they have the same level of hygiene, tastes, etc...

 

[EagerBeaver]

You are obviously a true professional and a much sought out problem solver on the board.
Someone to look up to and learn from. Too bad we don't have a like button.

Patron's MO is indeed a good way to solve the problem especially if she has a nice ass but a face that is not as easy on the eyes as one hopes for.

It probably depends on the level of horniness. I have spoken to many hobbyists who accepted a bait and switch knowingly, because they needed to nut, it was late at night and no plan B was in place. It happens a lot with guys who are in full party mode during a long vacation weekend in Montreal. I have witnessed it with my own friends when they didn't listen to my advice.

 

[luvdozer]

I don't think i should have to compensate more than $20 for her lost time. We both lost time. It cannot always workout. In any business (and I know this business is special) you cant be expected to compensate someone because you declined their product when all the specs where finally revealed to you. And if an sp is being refused too many times, maybe she should quit, or lower her price...there are too many girls in this business anyways.

You are mixing issues. Your original post was suggesting a $20/5 minute face check as a way of avoiding disappointment and wondering if girls would go for that. I think the consensus is fairly clear that not many girls would. Go ahead and make the offer and see what kind of response you get. Like I said in my earlier post, I would never make this offer because 1) I think it comes across as insulting to the girl 2) makes me look like a cheap client that should be avoided and 3) is basically unnecessary in montreal when there are so many gorgeous women providing great service at low prices as well as a robust online forum filled with detailed reviews. But, that's just me.

The second issue in your more recent post is about refusing a girl who you have booked but find unattractive somehow. Of course you have a "right" to refuse her just as she has a right to refuse you. So what? The real question is whether it is cool or uncool. Just because you are permitted to do something doesn't mean it's not a dick move.

If a girl uses fake pics, then I have zero sympathy for her if a guy refuses her. But if she uses real pics and you just don't like her face, I really need to ask more questions: where are you booking your girls? If you are tolerant of girls who maybe aren't the cutest or don't have the nicest in calls or provide the best gfe, then bargain hunting on backpage makes sense. That kind of person would only refuse a girl under extreme circumstances. But if you find yourself being very picky about her face, location and service, I can't help asking why aren't you booking the most extensively reviewed girls from the biggest agencies or the most established indys? You are creating your own problem.

The beautiful women at reasonable prices are out there. They are not hard to find at all. Offering a $20 5 minute face check isn't the way to find them; reading this forum and making thoughtful bookings is.