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Why does the Crown keep bringing in witnesses that only hurt their cause? I have never seen anything like this, this is borderline malpractice
 

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Why does the Crown keep bringing in witnesses that only hurt their cause? I have never seen anything like this, this is borderline malpractice
It’s now fairly obvious why: they have a very weak case & this case would never have been prosecuted in many other provinces other than in Ontario because as many legal minds following have pointed out this particular case likely didn’t even have a 50% chance of being a winning one. The thing about the prosecution’s witnesses is that each one they presented was even worse than the previous one! Why did they keep bringing in witnesses who hurt their cause? Because it’s such a weak case that this is the best they could come up with! And tomorrow we’ll see what happens with that mystery witness they just came up with in the final hour. The defence is correct in protesting this move because they haven’t had time to prepare for this witness however the way this trial has been trending for them maybe they should welcome as many mystery witnesses as the prosecution wants! Lol

Anyways i still think it’s a damn shame that these young hockey players have had their once promising hockey careers ruined because of this case which never should have been prosecuted in the first place. In my opinion it’s equal to a public lynching & a gross miscarriage of justice! The Crown in chosing to prosecute this case has in my opinion dome a tremendous disservice to actual victims of sexual assault. And the worse part? The defence haven’t yet called one single of their witness!
 

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Anyways i still think it’s a damn shame that these young hockey players have had their once promising hockey careers ruined because of this case which never should have been prosecuted in the first place.
I am not sure I agree with you on this. They don't deserve to go to jail. But I do not believe they have any entitlement to be able to play pro hockey, as you do. Let them get real jobs in the real world, which if they are acquitted, all of them will be able to do and then move on with their lives. They made a dumb decision, and there should be some consequences from that. Has it occurred to any of you guys that when you are representing your country at an international competition, maybe you shouldn't be out late at night drinking and having sex but instead should have some curfew? If I was in charge of that sorry ass crew of spoiled brats, they would not be allowed out past 10 pm, there would be a no drinking rule and a code of conduct as well as a dress code for the duration of the competition. And they would be up at 6 am every morning for a film session. All of which would have taught them respect, discipline and self-control. Nobody has commented on the lack of a curfew that might have prevented this incident, and it's a sorry and pathetic commentary on where we are as a society that we now believe athletes are entitled creatures. No they are not!!!! They aren't entitled to anything.
 
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They have gone on with their lives. Most of them play in Europe now. Some have chosen to leave hockey altogether. As for what they chose to do that evening they were no longer representing their country or at a competition. They were adult men who were once part of a former all-star hockey team who had each individually chosen to attend a banquet to pick up their trophies & they had chosen to participate the following day in a golf tournament. They weren’t forced to be there. They were no longer under the supervision of Hockey Canada. They were grown adult men who chose to be there since it was an opportunity for them to get together with some of their former teammates. It was no different than a high school reunion. Hockey Canada officials had no jurisdiction to impose any type of curfew on these grown adult men. By the way several of the former players chose not to attend that weekend. Everyone was free to do whatever they wanted. They were not in a competition or whatever. Hockey season had ended & they were just starting to enjoy the summer among friends. Don’t know what you mean about the entitled part. By the way remind me not to invite you to the next gangbang i’ll be attending! Lol
 
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I am not sure I agree with you on this. They don't deserve to go to jail. But I do not believe they have any entitlement to be able to play pro hockey, as you do. Let them get real jobs in the real world, which if they are acquitted, all of them will be able to do and then move on with their lives. They made a dumb decision, and there should be some consequences from that. Has it occurred to any of you guys that when you are representing your country at an international competition, maybe you shouldn't be out late at night drinking and having sex but instead should have some curfew? If I was in charge of that sorry ass crew of spoiled brats, they would not be allowed out past 10 pm, there would be a no drinking rule and a code of conduct as well as a dress code for the duration of the competition. And they would be up at 6 am every morning for a film session. All of which would have taught them respect, discipline and self-control. Nobody has commented on the lack of a curfew that might have prevented this incident, and it's a sorry and pathetic commentary on where we are as a society that we now believe athletes are entitled creatures. No they are not!!!! They aren't entitled to anything.
The alleged crime happened months after they won the tournament, in the summer during the offseason. No reason to have a curfew
 
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I thought this occurred during the competition, I thought I read something about a "team hotel"?
So what you’re telling is that you really haven’t been following the trial.

In other news to the surprise of many (including myself) the defence began its portion of the trial this morning & the first witness called to the stand to testify under oath was CARTER HART. He faced tough questions from several defence attorneys & it’s now the prosecution’s turn. However the lead prosecutor asked for an early recess until tomorrow morning in order to prepare for her questioning. The defence has indicated that their next witness will be the lead detective in the most recent investigation. It’s not known yet if any of the other defendants will be chosen to testify however Michael McLoud’s lawyers have already indicated that he will not be testifying, which is the correct move. I’m still surprised that Carter Hart’s team chose to put him on the stand because in my opinion he didn’t really have anything to gain. One new thing we learned earlier today was that once in the room he had texted former teammate Dante Fabbro to come & join them. Fabbro supposedly never got the text in time. Hart also mentioned earlier that prior to that night he had only drank alcohol three times in his entire life. He admitted to feeling drunk that night & that he indeed receive a text from McLoud asking who was interested in having a threesome & he immediately texted back that he was all in. He then spoke with Mcloud on the phone & was told he was in his room with a girl & she wanted a threesome. Hart mentioned that he was one of the few guys on his former tram who was still single & had been hoping to get laid that weekend so he didn’t find anything wrong with being part of a threesome after being invited to one. Later he mentioned getting a blowjob instead because of all the other guys in the room & it didn’t last very long since he felt kind of silly & couldn’t get an erection.
 

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I thought this occurred during the competition, I thought I read something about a "team hotel"?
No. The tournament itself started as usual on December 26, 2017 & ended on January 5, 2017 in Buffalo, NY. The former teammates hadn’t been together in 5 months & that weekend in June was a team reunion. No different than a high school reunion. I was in the London area at the time & several times that same year & the one after that & there aren’t many top hotels in the city. The Delta London Armories is one of the most popular ones & it’s also located right downtown. I’ve stayed there several times including around the time these events happened. That’s the best place to stay at of you want to be walking distance from the top bars in the area. I’ve also stayed at the BW Lamplighter Inn which is right across from the main hospital but quite a distance from the downtown area. I like it better than the one the players stayed at but like i said it’s far from the downtown nightlife. The arena where the London Knights play at (known as Budweiser Gardens at the time) is also walking distance from the Delta London Armories. I attended several games when i was in the area. I remember defenceman Evan Bouchard looking like Bobby Orr out there on the ice & many predicting he’d be a star once he’d join the Edmonton Oilers. They were correct!
 

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...But I do not believe they have any entitlement to be able to play pro hockey, as you do. Let them get real jobs in the real world, which if they are acquitted, all of them will be able to do and then move on with their lives. They made a dumb decision, and there should be some consequences from that...They aren't entitled to anything.
I have a lot of sympathy for the players and none for the accuser. The accuser got paid off by Hockey Canada as a result of a civil suit even though it is now clear that she invited (not just consented to!) the sexual acts. As a result of what happened, the players had their careers ruined unjustly. . The players earned the their careers in hockey through their talent and hard work and they were entitled to follow their careers without being unjustly accused of a crime and so lose their jobs. Eager, would you like it if you were arrested, tried and disbarred because one of your sugar babies falsely accused you of sexual assault?

No matter what the result of the trial (and I am sure that it will be a not guilty ruling), the girl escapes with no consequences and maintains her anonymity and the cash from the civil settlement (she did not even have to go through a trial for that cash).
 
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I have a lot of sympathy for the players and none for the accuser. The accuser got paid off by Hockey Canada as a result of a civil suit even though it is now clear that she invited (not just consented to!) the sexual acts. As a result of what happened, the players had their careers ruined unjustly. . The players earned the their careers in hockey through their talent and hard work and they were entitled to follow their careers without being unjustly accused of a crime and so lose their jobs. Eager, would you like it if you were arrested, tried and disbarred because one of your sugar babies falsely accused you of sexual assault?

No matter what the result of the trial (and I am sure that it will be a not guilty ruling), the girl escapes with no consequences and maintains her anonymity and the cash from the civil settlement (she did not even have to go through a trial for that cash).
I feel the exact same way. But although she got paid off by Hockey Canada earlier on you somewhat have to feel sorry for the woman because:

-She humiliated herself without even getting the gangbang that she hoped to get.
-She lost her grandmother’s ring somewhere in the room or in the bathroom.
-The only sexual intercourse she ended up having was not in public but locked up in a bathroom with some kid two years younger than her who was very sexually inexperienced & later in the shower with the same guy she previously had sex with.
-It seems that none of the 3 guys she gave a blowjob to managed to get a hard-on. That’s hard on the ego.
-When she got home later she confessed to her mommy that her little baby girl was all grown up now & a slut.
-She had to announce to her boyfriend that she fucked around on him but to gain his sympathy & not get dumped on the spot she had to make up a story that she was a victim of sexual assault. So her mom & her mom’s boyfriend forced her into pressing charges.

On the bright side:
-She got a lot of money off that night. But unfortunately for her the settlement was leaked to the press & all hell broke loose.
-Her boyfriend believed her story that she was a victim & not an active participant & stayed with her. They ended up getting engaged but now their engagement may be in jeopardy because her original story now looks pretty fishy.
 

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what I don’t understand is if EM was so traumatized by multiple sex partners that night after consentual sex with Macloud

Why didnt she leave after once the party was over?

Why did she shower and have sex with Macloud 2nd time anround after everyone left?

If she was so traumatized why come back to look for the ring right away that night. Why not wait until the next day ?
 
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