How much honesty is too much honesty?

[NatashaSnow]

In the context of a « professional interaction » whether it be in person or on the phone, is it a no no to you for us to reference our work?

Let me explain.

I’m quite low volume but on the occasion that I did see more than one person that day I was stumped on what to say when whatever it was I’m answering/saying required me to « make it obvious » that I had a lot of sex / saw other people etc. You get my drift.

for example not being able to extend because I have another appointment after or arriving a bit late cause the previous one diddle daddled, explaining why at a certain time I can only do one hour and not two.

Do you prefer I make something up to keep the illusion or just answer honestly? is it ok to you for a girl to tell an anecdote about some appointment or another (obviously if anonymous and relevant)?

Here’s another one, I’m very transparent when I text upon arrival and will just straight up tell the person « excuse me, I’m just checking in with my safety person ». Or when I ask for room number and I’m told they’ll wait in the lobby for me, i reply that it’s fine but I need it for my safety person anyway. It does however seem to spook some so I wonder if perhaps I’m expected to make something up?

So tell me, how much honesty is too much honesty?

 

[Marsouin]

You cannot be too honest ( not to be confused with naïve)
On my end : I'd rather have the truth than some BS which you could probably get away with 1 time but no more than that
On your end : Lies just lead to drama , because if you lie to me once then the next time you have to come up with another lie that is consistent with the previous one ... that becomes a lot of work for no gain.
Also , if deep down you are an honest and transparent person, you gonna feel like shit everytime you make up a lie and most likely would be a bad lier

 

[Rebaynia]

I am just too blunt or brutally honest. I seem to have an incapability of making stuff up. I figure it is part of who I am, and what makes me, and they have to accept it or not. If not, then I am just not what they are looking for. And have been blessed with regulars who adore that trait.

I have always warned people all my life when they ask a direct question with an answer they may not like. Do they really want me to answer it, because they might not like the responce? And transfer the same message to when being asked questions on the job. Or have mentioned maybe we can talk about that after the playtime, I don't want to ruin the mood.

In the case of appointments, when asked about changes I will mention if I have an appointment later and sorry we have to be done at a set time... even in the booking process I will be clear if they ask for a time and it doesn't work because of a booking already set. Most of the time they just accept it and try to work around the schedule to see you anyways. Or plan for the next day that isn't booked yet for their availability.

Actually for many I have come to realize it still plays into their fantasy because it enforces that they are with a very desired person. And will better plan for the next time.

Though in my case my relationship is the first thing mentioned about me, so part of there pleasure is in knowing I am spoken for.

And definately agree with you on makeing sure to have the room or apartment number, encouraged with, I still prefer you be a gentleman and meet me downstairs to let me in, but for my safety I need to know where I am going first. Or i am not able to go to you. A few bookings were lost on the insistence, but if it is something your withholding, and you have security measures in your building keeping the door locked, then my assumption is you have malicious intent and I'm not comfortable to go see you anyways.

 

[Rebaynia]

It isn't information offered up without provocation. Only in a situation where the 3rd wall is necessary to be broken in that instant. It becomes a don't ask, it wont be told situation. But also becomes very much picking who your looking for, off the fantasy your looking to fill.

A guy doesn't book with an agency girl thinking he's the only one who is going to see her, he knows damn well he has had trouble booking her. In that case asking to prolong a visit doesn't become possible, because he knows he is only entitled to his timeslot. She wont bring it up to him, and he likely wont ask about it. But if he asks to prolong the visit, the answer likely would be sorry I have other things to do. She's not going to spell it out for him, and he knows what she means, and unless he enjoys the banter and wants to hear it he will likely leave it at that.

I don't mean to say your getting a full play by play, just a truthful hint to the reality. Her business very much still remains her business she doesn't want to fill you in entirely.

I may be brutally honest. But unless your directly asking to hear about behind the scenes, it won't be braught up.

 

[jackjones7000]

In the context of a « professional interaction » whether it be in person or on the phone, is it a no no to you for us to reference our work?

Let me explain.

I’m quite low volume but on the occasion that I did see more than one person that day I was stumped on what to say when whatever it was I’m answering/saying required me to « make it obvious » that I had a lot of sex / saw other people etc. You get my drift.

for example not being able to extend because I have another appointment after or arriving a bit late cause the previous one diddle daddled, explaining why at a certain time I can only do one hour and not two.

Do you prefer I make something up to keep the illusion or just answer honestly? is it ok to you for a girl to tell an anecdote about some appointment or another (obviously if anonymous and relevant)?

Here’s another one, I’m very transparent when I text upon arrival and will just straight up tell the person « excuse me, I’m just checking in with my safety person ». Or when I ask for room number and I’m told they’ll wait in the lobby for me, i reply that it’s fine but I need it for my safety person anyway. It does however seem to spook some so I wonder if perhaps I’m expected to make something up?

So tell me, how much honesty is too much honesty?

THE LESSS I KNOW THE BETTER​

 

[wiinston17]

Based on your posts on various threads of this forum, it seems like you're a person who wears their heart on their sleeve. While on a personal level, I'm sure this makes you a great person to be around given your honesty and what we see is what we get, in this line of business, it can be intimidating or even off-putting for some.

For example, in the 'Ask us anything' thread discussing penis size, your answer was so blunt that it would be impossible for the less-endowed not to feel intimidated or judged. I think it is important to have a clear distinction between your professional demeanor and how you act with your friends or acquaintances in real life. This doesn't just apply to the SP line of work but for everyone. One of the important lessons I learned is that coworkers and customers are not your friends so you need to be conscientious of how you behave around them at all times.

 

[Nachoy]

I enjoy the movie. A Few Good Men
There is a scene with Jack Nicolson sitting in court being ask to tell the truth
Yes I believe some clients “can’t handle the truth”
And some clients might need a dose of reality
When I was younger and new to the game
I was caught with the fantasy. Still am today but it’s a controlled fantasy
Im experienced now to realized i am just one of a few good men that day
Still appreciate what I have, but realized it just time spend and “poof” the fantasy ends at stroke of midnight just like the story of Cinderella And if you can’t figure that out yourself bros, your SP will reinforce the notion to you that our fairytale has a time limit
As far as safety, yea I need to aware of my safety and I have no issue with giving out my exact location for in calls if I trust the SP
I think it’s reasonable that SPs would want to feel the same way

 

[EagerBeaver]

Natasha,

You ask a very legit question, but I would restate your questions to say, what is too much information as opposed to too much honesty?

As to the client who asks you to extend the appointment, but you can't: obviously you don't want to give a response that will deter a possible extended appointment request in the future. I would say, "I would really love to next time I see you, but I have another commitment that prevents me from doing so today." No other information is necessary, if this is stated with a cheerful tone of voice and a sexy look in the eyes.

99% of the time when I am lied to, I know it. Apart from being professionally trained to catch liars and having done it as part of my job for 30 years, most people who think they can pull it off can't. Lies which make up a bunch of nonsense and misinformation are especially insulting, not only to the person they are told to but maybe even another person who just overhears it.

On the other hand nobody really needs to hear you have 2 more dates you are seeing that night. You can give them truth, just not too much truth. And at the same time keep it real without having to travel over the line into the Kingdom Of Lies.

 

[envelopes]

Depends on the client.

I don't care if you fucked 37 guys before me. I have no illusion that you are a sex worker, not my pristine virgin girlfriend.

However, reading some reviews on this board and hearing about how clients always want to be the FIRST session of the day, some hobbyists want a virgin sex worker.

So respond accordingly to the person? Just like, the same way you would do with everything else in the job?

And when in doubt, just lie to come across as a sweet innocent virgin angel, that's always safest

 

[Don Julio]

However, reading some reviews on this board and hearing about how clients always want to be the FIRST session of the day, some hobbyists want a virgin sex worker.

No illusion, I prefer first because I have met SP's who just had the shit fucked out of them and too sensitive for DATY or too sore for a decent session.
Nothing to do with the illusion of a Virgin.

 

[Foodie]

Somethings are better left unsaid. “Toute vérité n’est pas bonne à dire”. In my encounters I value authenticity above all, but that doesn‘t mean that all needs to be said, even if it is true. Not saying is not lying, but if you must talk it is always better to say the truth.

Un bon menteur doit avoir un très bonne mémoire.

Foodie

 

[Halloween Mike]

Do you prefer I make something up to keep the illusion or just answer honestly? is it ok to you for a girl to tell an anecdote about some appointment or another (obviously if anonymous and relevant)?


So tell me, how much honesty is too much honesty?

Personally i always prefer the truth when it comes to anything related to the booking process or such. Lets say i book a meeting but the SP cancel because she had a call from a regular who wanted to see her 3h. Ok i understand why me being a new guy for just 1h will get bumped. It sucks for me but i get why she would do it. BUT tell me ! Let me know the reason. Maybe ill decide to never book again, because in my situation uncertainity like that is harder to deal with (being from out of town, without a car) but at least ill decide knowing the real situation. Don't make a BS excuse that look so fake. Guys can usually pierce trough the lies anyway. I had a few times excuses that were so laughable like one told me once she was en route but her truck broke down on the road... Not that its impossible for it to happen but its so unlikely that im sorry i don't believe it.

Now when it comes to the actual meeting, its ok to keep some illusion while not overdoing it. I mean we do want to feel like the "king of the day" so personally i expect that she will "fake" to some extant or should i say "act". Some have it come more naturally than others of course. But i am not turn off or annoyed at all personally for what it comes to other clients/meeting. I know its a work and thats simply what she do.

 

[DouMan]

In the context of a « professional interaction » whether it be in person or on the phone, is it a no no to you for us to reference our work?

Let me explain.

I’m quite low volume but on the occasion that I did see more than one person that day I was stumped on what to say when whatever it was I’m answering/saying required me to « make it obvious » that I had a lot of sex / saw other people etc. You get my drift.

for example not being able to extend because I have another appointment after or arriving a bit late cause the previous one diddle daddled, explaining why at a certain time I can only do one hour and not two.

Do you prefer I make something up to keep the illusion or just answer honestly? is it ok to you for a girl to tell an anecdote about some appointment or another (obviously if anonymous and relevant)?

Here’s another one, I’m very transparent when I text upon arrival and will just straight up tell the person « excuse me, I’m just checking in with my safety person ». Or when I ask for room number and I’m told they’ll wait in the lobby for me, i reply that it’s fine but I need it for my safety person anyway. It does however seem to spook some so I wonder if perhaps I’m expected to make something up?

So tell me, how much honesty is too much honesty?

First and most important you do NOT have to justify yourself to anyone concerning your work schedule nor anything else for that matter. If the John is so ignorant as to keep on insisting for answers the door is the right direction. No problem with a gentleman asking to prolong the session but if you can not he should just understand and politely excuse himself.

If safety spooks some maybe it's a red flag for you? Knowing that you value your safety is perfectly fine and your date should see it as such. No difference with agencies that have multiple girls in an apartment or a salon.

Don't change a thing, your technique may just help you take out the weeds.

 

[UncleBuck]

I prefer the truth.

I’m very well aware that I’m seeing an escort. Like any other person, they’re another human being navigating their way through life. I’m often genuinely interested in hearing about their day-to-day life, past experiences (best / worst, work / personal) etc, and open to sharing mine as well.

Just finished ball-stomping a dude? Dope.
Can’t do anal because a BBC just ruined you? That’s kinda hot ngl.
Wanna share about the time you had your first DP experience, and it was with a father-and-son? Weird on them, but amazing story to have!

I don’t think there’s a one-size-fits-all answer here. I’ve met many similar to me, but plenty who rather live in the illusion.

There’s things you can do to float in the middle until you gage the person’s preferences. Example - instead of saying ‘for my safety person’, stick with ‘for my safety’. Instead of ‘I’m texting my person’, just ‘I’m finishing up a conversation’. Neither of them are lies, and you’re still being forward with them.

Hope this helps

 

[EagerBeaver]

If you search for tenderness
It isn't hard to find
You can have the love you need to live
But if you look for truthfulness
You might just as well be blind
It always seems to be so hard to give
Honesty is such a lonely word
Everyone is so untrue
Honesty is hardly ever heard
And mostly what I need from you
I can always find someone
To say they sympathize
If I wear my heart out on my sleeve
But I don't want some pretty face
To tell me pretty lies
All I want is someone to believe
Honesty is such a lonely word
Everyone is so untrue
Honesty is hardly ever heard
And mostly what I need from you
I can find a lover
I can find a friend
I can have security until the bitter end
Anyone can comfort me
With promises again
I know, I know
When I'm deep inside of me
Don't be too concerned
I won't ask for nothin' while I'm gone
But when I want sincerity
Tell me where else can I turn
'Cause you're the one I depend upon
Honesty is such a lonely word
Everyone is so untrue
Honesty is hardly ever heard
And mostly what I need from you

 

[wetnose]

If they don't ask, then you don't have to tell.

If they ask, then say "I prefer to be discreet. Personal rule." ===> problem solved.

 

[Rebaynia]

If they don't ask, then you don't have to tell.

If they ask, then say "I prefer to be discreet. Personal rule." ===> problem solved.

Oh but sometimes it is fun to be open. We all have our topics that we aren't willing to share, and will draw our lines when needed. There are topics like my financial earnings I refuse to talk about. And will say when a topic is asked about i don't wish to discuss.

But the facination, and for some the information adds to their fantasy and turn-ons. Especially when your living a lifestyle that they are trying to understand, and have fantasized themselves, but don't realize it truely is some others realities.

It can be fun to have the answers they have been seeking. Especially when it can play in niche fields. And even in those cases, not all information is provided if i don't feel they are a correct fit for the answers they are looking for. (There are many predator types, that just because they want, doesn't mean they are right for the information they seek) You can still be truthful while being vague.

 

[Thor Jr]

If you search for tenderness
It isn't hard to find
You can have the love you need to live
But if you look for truthfulness
You might just as well be blind

Wow EB, you brought me back to the good old days with this song. I remember meeting Billy Joel at a joint in Roslyn, NY. A place called My Fathers Place. He use to play there, i believe he got his start there. There was another place there, US Blues, kind of a dance club. I doubt they are still there.

I like honesty, but to a limit, Ill stretch the truth if it will avoid hurting someone's feelings. Being honest and kind, goes a long way.

I have been lied too by bookers, SPs and others, at times i really don't care. That old saying, " don't piss down my back and tell me its raining" comes to mind.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Wow EB, you brought me back to the good old days with this song. I remember meeting Billy Joel at a joint in Roslyn, NY. A place called My Fathers Place. He use to play there, i believe he got his start there. There was another place there, US Blues, kind of a dance club. I doubt they are still there.

I find that song, "Honesty", very appropriate for this thread as Billy Joel gives voice to some of the feelings expressed by some of the posters in this thread. Indeed, I think it could be a theme song for the thread.

I saw Billy Joel perform live twice. The first time he was playing with the band you see in this video, in New Haven in 1982 or 1983. It was the Nylon Curtain tour I think. The second time I saw him was years later with Elton John in Hartford.

Regarding Roslyn, NY, it's on Long Island and Billy Joel still lives on Long Island, but in the Hamptons.

 

[DouMan]

This has gone sooo off topic from the OP