Independent vs agencies in Montreal?

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

C'est évident que pour une fille qui choisit de devenir accompagnatrice, elle a tout avantage à être indy, pour toutes les raisons énumérées par Valérie, c'est indéniable. La question du prix est aussi très personnelle, d'un côté combien je vaut en tant que sp, et de l'autre combien j'accepte de payer en tant que client.

Maintenant ceci étant admis, aucunes de ces considérations ne garantie le succès d'une rencontre, c'est encore et toujours une question de chimie entre 2 personnes. Je doute qu'une simple conversation téléphonique de 3-4 minutes soit suffisante pour établir un contact permettant d'en juger. Encore moins quelques e-mails ou textos.

Donc en tant que client je dois prendre un plus grand risque financier avec une indy, jusqu'à maintenant je n'ai pas une bonne moyenne avec elles. Je dirais 50-50, et je les choisies attentivement, comme je booke systématiquement 2 hrs ça peut devenir frustrant

 

[Fradi]

I personally like booking ahead.
I usually book 2 weeks ahead that way I can schedule things and make sure I don’t have anything else planned for that day.
It is also kind of nice to look forward to that day.
It is hard to explain but the few Indys I see I feel close to, we are friends I enjoy their company it is not like in my younger days when it was all about sex. Still the best part, but you learn to appreciate other things as well as you get older.
The ones I see are interesting, fun to be with it is a pleasure to share a bottle of wine and some pastries with them.
Just because it is a money arrangement there is no reason why you can’t enjoy each other’s company.
I am not interested in how many I can see in a year or the hottest SP of the month, well once in a while I do come across one I can’t resist.

 

[Francoquart]

I agree that, unless you cannot afford it, price should not be a factor. However, rapport can also be built with girls in agencies. I believe it really boils down to the girl and the schedule more than Anything else..i tried to book 4 indies, and only 1 was succesful. The.experience was great, but i would not say better than any good agency SP. With Indies, in my experience, there was always last minute problem... That said, i am still going to reach out for indies too. Some of them are just too good to miss out

 

[stevegbs]

I had good and bad experiences with both agency and indy in the past.

Recently, with some exceptions, it is more difficult to book an indy and the prices are out of my budget (Over 300$).

 

[Adaline Rose]

I understand the system of agencies are easier for some of you guys, and yes the budget may be important. As a girl that was in an agency before and decided to become independent, I can honestly say that there’s no more bullshit after all. Yes, you can take a girl’s number, but then she is not loyal to the agency, if they find out, they’ll say you steal their clients. They won’t book you for this reason. Another thing is that there is always someone in between. Waiting for 6h in a car and not having one call is a total waste of time. Then, when you finally meet your clients, they tell you that they try to book you, but you are not available... The thing being said... Bookers will book their favorite girls, their friends, the ones they party with. They also want to show the new girls they are going to make money, so they’ll suggest them even if you ask for a certain girl... The girl you wish to book might be “unavailable” but it’s not true... They want the new girls to stay... It’s a system of they book you, they make money off you... And I couldn’t stand just being a number, of wasting my time...And by realizing how much money they would make off me... Being in an agency, you have more clients to see to make the same amount of money as an Indy... You will become tired. Tired of giving, sex will become mechanical, it won’t be as special as it used to be... At a certain point, I was feeling this... Because you become exhausted. To make 700$ you had to see 5 clients... At a rate of 300$-350$ the girl gets to see one client that books her for 2H or 2 clients for the same amount of money... I never see more than 2 or 3 clients a day. I want my lovers to have all of me, all the best of me. There’s no timer for me to leave after 50 minutes... and I love to talk and exchange, there’s no stress. Just the flow...

Agencies have their standards... spinners, long hair... Well of course, some beauty standards apply in the bullshit society we’re in. Women have to be a certain way to be considered pretty... Well fuck society. As an artist, I do not want to fit in. I love raw. I love when someone dares to be different. I had a blonde pixie and they didn’t want to book me because I had a pixie. I have a natural curvaceous body 36-24-36.. Oh but I’m too fat because I’m not a spinner? Diversity is beautiful. I embrace my womanly curves and body and let me be honest, men love ass, men love breast! Who are still sex symbols today? Marilyn Monroe, Sofia Loren.. With indies, you have more diversity. Women of different ages who are just even more delicious because they have more experience, they are classier, they have a head on their shoulders, they’re confident...They know what they do... So being over 25 is being old? Having curves is not considered beautiful? The lady can’t have the look she wants? Now I feel more beautiful and more confident than ever... There is no more hypocrisy... And the donation is mine... I work, I provide the service, and no I won’t give myself for 150$/h. I know what I’m worth, I know I leave my clients with a bright smile. I do not want just to be booked by anybody. I have standards, and I respect them. All I give, all the little attention I put in, all the passion, all the warmth I give. And with time, trust bonds and friendship gets built... You check up on your close ones... Because you appreciate one another... Maybe I’m too naive, but this is not only a transaction for me. I can’t give just sex. I need to give everything...

Sorry for the long message. It’s just fun to see on the other side of the fence for you guys sometimes... When you book and Indy, you know it’s all hers...

 

[IamNY]

I prefer agency girls.

 

[Fradi]

Valerie,

You explained the exact reason that I see the few Indies that I do far better than I could have.
They are fabulous women that are a joy to spend time with not just an occasional fuck.
I know that some will say it is all an act.
I guess I like actresses lol. They should get an Oscar.

 

[Doggyluver]

Advantage of an agency : When you call and find out who's working and when they are available, they will be there and for the most part, as described. Independent : Booking someone from an ad you saw on one of the sites raises a number of problems, she may not respect the appointment, she may not be the girl in the ad Advantage: She may be amazing and you are able to create a long term connection. One of my best friends I met as an SP and that was 8 years ago. We stopped the sexual relationship about 4 years ago and yet see each other regularly for breakfast, lunch or dinner and the relationship has grown.
There are advantages and disadvantages to both and you have to decide which works for you.

 

[Foodie]

I have exclusively seen indies.
For me, a satisfying encounter generates pleasures before, during and after the fact. I carefully select my companions and expect and understand that they will do the same as I expect mutual benefit from the encounter that goes beyond money exchanged for sex.
The pleasure starts with the initial communications that has to be done by email. You cannot describe yourself, express your thoughts and desires in a simple text message. I do not have a pre-written canvas that I send to all companions. I individualize my communications to each prospective companion and find pleasure in the process. I have had the rare occasions when the girls did not answer my message, a clear indication that we were not compatible. I have also had the rare occasion when the reply was quite disappointing, without any indication of a true desire to establish a human connection. For most, the initial epistolary connection has generated a positive anticipation of the future encounter, a desire to meet this person that I naively hope is mutual. I have never had any issues with the screening process, I applaud it. I also have no issue with pre-booking as this is what works best with my own schedule. It is not cliché to state that I am looking for more than just sex and I have found this with the indies I have had the privilege to meet.
I do not judge agencies, the girls working for them or their clients. As stated by previous members, I clearly see some benefits to the agency model for both the escorts and the clients. It is just not for me. I do not mind the higher rates, I prefer the lack of intermediary and appreciate the direct connection.
I appreciated Valerie's point of view. She clearly expresses pros/cons and why I elected to exclusively meet indies.
Foodie

 

[Adaline Rose]

Advantage of an agency : When you call and find out who's working and when they are available, they will be there and for the most part, as described. Independent : Booking someone from an ad you saw on one of the sites raises a number of problems, she may not respect the appointment, she may not be the girl in the ad Advantage: She may be amazing and you are able to create a long term connection. One of my best friends I met as an SP and that was 8 years ago. We stopped the sexual relationship about 4 years ago and yet see each other regularly for breakfast, lunch or dinner and the relationship has grown.
There are advantages and disadvantages to both and you have to decide which works for you.

Ladies who advertise on sites like Merb, with great reviews are the ladies from the pictures. If you go for a lady that advertises herself at 160$/h there might be some chance that she won't be the same as the pictures. You have to choose a reputable lady. Ladies with websites, social medias, that advertises on different platforms, that has reviews ... She will be the girl she is... Seeing « une petite annonce » that you never saw before, you can get tricked... It all depends... But quality has a price! And meeting a few high end Indys, I know they are the same as their pictures... Speaking with friends still working with an agency... they are trying to look on my side of the fence too... Best decision I took!

 

[sene5hos]

C'est évident que pour une fille qui choisit de devenir accompagnatrice, elle a tout avantage à être indy, pour toutes les raisons énumérées par Valérie, c'est indéniable. La question du prix est aussi très personnelle, d'un côté combien je vaut en tant que sp, et de l'autre combien j'accepte de payer en tant que client.

Maintenant ceci étant admis, aucunes de ces considérations ne garantie le succès d'une rencontre, c'est encore et toujours une question de chimie entre 2 personnes. Je doute qu'une simple conversation téléphonique de 3-4 minutes soit suffisante pour établir un contact permettant d'en juger. Encore moins quelques e-mails ou textos.

Donc en tant que client je dois prendre un plus grand risque financier avec une indy, jusqu'à maintenant je n'ai pas une bonne moyenne avec elles. Je dirais 50-50, et je les choisies attentivement, comme je booke systématiquement 2 hrs ça peut devenir frustrant

Très bonne réflexion Jupiter.
Je lis toutes tes revues car elles sont toujours pertinentes.
On a chacun nos expériences personnelles.

Quand tu rencontres pour la première fois une indy, pourquoi ne pas prendre que seulement 1 hr. et si la chimie est là, tu reprends le plus rapidement possible une séance de 2 hours ou même plus.

Bonnes rencontres.

 

[Adaline Rose]

I have exclusively seen indies.
For me, a satisfying encounter generates pleasures before, during and after the fact. I carefully select my companions and expect and understand that they will do the same as I expect mutual benefit from the encounter that goes beyond money exchanged for sex.
The pleasure starts with the initial communications that has to be done by email. You cannot describe yourself, express your thoughts and desires in a simple text message. I do not have a pre-written canvas that I send to all companions. I individualize my communications to each prospective companion and find pleasure in the process. I have had the rare occasions when the girls did not answer my message, a clear indication that we were not compatible. I have also had the rare occasion when the reply was quite disappointing, without any indication of a true desire to establish a human connection. For most, the initial epistolary connection has generated a positive anticipation of the future encounter, a desire to meet this person that I naively hope is mutual. I have never had any issues with the screening process, I applaud it. I also have no issue with pre-booking as this is what works best with my own schedule. It is not cliché to state that I am looking for more than just sex and I have found this with the indies I have had the privilege to meet.
I do not judge agencies, the girls working for them or their clients. As stated by previous members, I clearly see some benefits to the agency model for both the escorts and the clients. It is just not for me. I do not mind the higher rates, I prefer the lack of intermediary and appreciate the direct connection.
I appreciated Valerie's point of view. She clearly expresses pros/cons and why I elected to exclusively meet indies.
Foodie

Thank you, Foodie.
This is exactly the type of service I believe most Indies want.
For me, the connection starts from the first emails exchanged. You do see if the type of encounter desired by the client is what you can provide to make you and him happy.
It is more than sex, of course. Connection gets build with eye contact, with making love to the mind while still being fully dressed. I love having a date with a gentleman and to have a good idea of what I have to do to make him happy, getting the first contact makes things so much easier when you're about to open the door or when you knock on his door..
It is more than money exchanged for sex... I like to get to know the person I have in front of me, where he comes from... And to satisfy him with warmth, with an ear, to make him feel important and desired... Seduction is an art... More than boring mechanical sex... To know how to make love to someone is an art...

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

Très bonne réflexion Jupiter.
Je lis toutes tes revues car elles sont toujours pertinentes.
On a chacun nos expériences personnelles.

Quand tu rencontres pour la première fois une indy, pourquoi ne pas prendre que seulement 1 hr. et si la chimie est là, tu reprends le plus rapidement possible une séance de 2 hours ou même plus.

Bonnes rencontres.

C'est justement pour tenter d'établir une bonne connection que je book 2 hrs avec
les filles que je rencontre pour la première fois.Je booke des rencontres d'une heure principalement avec celles qui me connaissent très bien car tout est déjà clair et relax entre nous.

 

[Francoquart]

Thank you, Foodie.
This is exactly the type of service I believe most Indies want.
For me, the connection starts from the first emails exchanged. You do see if the type of encounter desired by the client is what you can provide to make you and him happy.
It is more than sex, of course. Connection gets build with eye contact, with making love to the mind while still being fully dressed. I love having a date with a gentleman and to have a good idea of what I have to do to make him happy, getting the first contact makes things so much easier when you're about to open the door or when you knock on his door..
It is more money exchanged for sex... I like to get to know the person I have in front of me, where he comes from... And to satisfy him with warmth, with an ear, to make him feel important and desired... Seduction is an art... More than boring mechanical sex... To know how to make love to someone is an art...

Your passion shows from your writings, and it shows that you really like what you are doing. You are making believe in Indies, and seduced me into meeting you. If you bring this much passion in a meeting, the only way it could go is hot

 

[sene5hos]

I've had this reflection I had when I started to meet again.

Is it better to take a risk with news that I have never come across on the popular $ 160 / 1hr platforms, where I have to travel for the appointment.
Yes there is this little adrenaline rush when you look for where to park, and when you wait at the door, but I also have this adrenaline when I hear the sound of my doorbell, which I wait until she arrives to me.

In short, the question I asked myself "once every week at $ 160 or once every two weeks at $ 350", it's always the question: the quality or the quantity, and I chose the 2nd option.

 

[Fradi]

There are things that can’t be measured in $$.
All through the last 4 months of the pandemic while everybody was on hiatus I was in touch with a couple of ladies I have been seeing trying to keep each others spirits up one in particular has been like an angel to me for close to 2 years now.
It was so good to finally be able to see each other again.
I don’t think I could have a connection like this with an agency girl, but I understand not everybody is looking for the same thing.

 

[Adaline Rose]

Your passion shows from your writings, and it shows that you really like what you are doing. You are making believe in Indies, and seduced me into meeting you. If you bring this much passion in a meeting, the only way it could go is

I am an artist, I want to be a writer... I fell in love with Nelly Arcan when I was studying literature... I'm still studying in the French language field... I want to write about my experiences. I'm working on something at the moment... I want to destroy all stigmas around sex workers and clients... I want to show it can be made in tenderness, with love... That we do bring joy, happiness, softness in this crappy world... There's a reason why it's the oldest job in the world...

So yes, being passionate, I give all of myself in everything I do. Love and lust are what I live for. I love the human being... I am curious about everything, that's what lead me here... I want to make a difference... And I know that men need as much attention, as much love, as much softness as women need... In this crappy society, we expect men to be strong, to not be vulnerable or sensitive. We are all human beings. You guys are stressed from work, from your family... From life... Who are we to judge? We all go through hard times... I know what it is...

We are healers, we are muses... You come to us and we will make you forget about this crappy stuff. I want to make people smile. I need to make people feel better about themselves... It's my purpose in life to spread more love, to give love... That's why I chose this job!

 

[sene5hos]

Seduction is an art... More than boring mechanical sex... To know how to make love to someone is an art...

Wow Valerie, you are great.

It's really nice, I feel like I'm going back to my philosophy lessons at CEGEP.

It's an art insofar as each artist has his own technique.
You become an artist by creating your own style.

I agree with this statement "To know how to make love to someone is an art"
That I would like to be younger to invest myself in this art.
At my age, it's time to take advantage of the present and forget about techniques.

 

[Aspirine]

Agencies for last minute meeting when I am in Montreal

Otherwise I have a two ATF (one Indy and the other from an agency) that I prefer to see and booked for the whole night….it make the meeting so much more pleasant and personal.

 

[Caliba]

As an escort i personally prefer to work for an agency. I used to do both. Working as indépendant it’s not made for everybody, with my other job, university etc. I didn’t had time to schedule my appointments and it can be exhausting to answer some type of clients.

I like that the agency is doing that for me, manage my schedule. I used to work in different massage parlours where they were kind of doing what Valerie Love is talking about, saying that you’re busy when you’re not etc. But when you find a good agency with fair bookers (yes some agencies are better than others it’s not a secret) they don’t have any reason to not book you. They will make less money if they don’t book you especially if you give a good service because clients want to see you again and not another girl. If they have good chemistry with the girl they will see her not matter where she works at.

Even if I work for an agency I’ll give my 100% and an amazing service. A good service is not guaranteed because the girl is working Indy (I’ve heard bad stories from my clients) and doesn’t mean an agency girl can’t be warm, passionate and make people feel at ease . Saying that I’m not a spinner at all