Is Wagner turning on Russia?

[Halloween Mike]

Apparently Wagner PMC is marching toward the Kremlin... its all over Twitter but now there is an official article too.

Les forces russes de l'entreprise militaire Wagner lancent une rébellion armée (msn.com)

 

[wetnose]

Full on rebellion by the Wagner 25,000 strong group. As far as we know, Wagner has occupied the city of Rostov, 600km from Moscow. The head of Wagner has probably calculated that he has the advantage since most of Russia's forces are still in Ukraine.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/24/europe/russia-putin-wagner-prigozhin-analysis-intl/index.html

 

[gaby]

POUTINE avec ses exhaltations et aspirations démoniaques a mis le feu dans sa propre maison....well done Champion.....lolll....un grand statège!!!!!!

 

[Halloween Mike]

POUTINE avec ses exhaltations et aspirations démoniaques a mis le feu dans sa propre maison....well done Champion.....lolll....un grand statège!!!!!!

Ca rapelle un autre chef d'etat din années 40 ...

 

[wetnose]

Well that coup was over pretty quick.

The head of Wagner decided to recall his forces back to their base and now he's getting retirement in Belarus. No charges, everything is alright.

Except for the 2 helicopters that Wagner shot out of the sky.

June 24, 2023 - Wagner head says group standing down

Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin claimed Saturday that he was turning his forces around from a march toward Moscow in what Russian President Putin called an "armed uprising." Follow for live updates.

www.cnn.com

 

[gaby]

WAGNER ne sera plus jamais en sécurité nulle part dans le monde....devra se méfier toujours de son entourage...sa tête est mise à haut prix.....et n'a que lui à blâmer....

 

[Jazzman1218]

Putin is weak and vulnerable. If he doesn’t end his war of aggression against Ukraine, which is destroying Russian economy and turning the people against him, he will not survive the next insurrection. Sic Semper Tyrannis.

 

[Halloween Mike]

That was too good to be true i guess

 

[cloudsurf]

It ain`t over yet. Lots of shit behind the scenes that nobody including the Russians know about.
Lots of windows that people can fall out of in Russia.

 

[Meta not Meta]

Speculation:

In the best gangland tradition, both sides went for hostages.

Prigozin missed his chance with Gerasimov at Rostov, but the FSB picked-up the easy pieces that are ranking Wagner family members.

And/or, with no cadres from the army and security services going over to Wagner as they approached Moscow, Prigozin then had no choice but to fold his cards ...

Likely, he'll never be seen again.

 

[STAEDTLER]

Churchill once said this about Russia :
« It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma… »

 

[Womaniser]

"Mercenaries from PMC "Wagner" were moved to Belarus to attack Poland and seize the Suwalki corridor, Russian MP Kartapolov reveals Putin's brilliant plan"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1680198869806620673

Putin sent Wagner to Belarus to prepare attack on Poland: Russian lawmaker

Wagner Group forces could take a key Polish region "in a matter of hours," MP Andrey Kartapolov recently alleged.

www.newsweek.com

Propaganda or not... Poland definitly starting to feel the heat

Would NATO interviene and against who ?
Against Belarus from where the attack was conducted ?

 

[cloudsurf]

Would NATO interviene and against who ?
Against Belarus from where the attack was conducted ?

My take is that NATO forces would enter Poland and help defend them on their territory.

 

[Albacor]

All Canadian news has been sensored.
I dont listen to TV news anymore, especially CBC it is the state media, and they will not tell you the full story.
If you listen to France 24, it said that Washington knew this before hand, and will not sensor the leaders of the Wagner's group anymore.
Now you have the answer.

 

[STAEDTLER]

My take is that NATO forces would enter Poland and help defend them on their territory.

Poland because of its difficult historic relation with Russia or its proxy Belarus is one of Nato most pro-active country: 4.3% of annual GDP for defence in 2023. Their level of prepardness and willingness to defend their country is much higher than for example a sleepy Germany.
Nato force are already in Poland (10k americans). IMO, it is unlikely that such a scenario unfolds, but Article 5 would be immediately put in force the moment any hostile armed forces cross the border. 2 years ago that might have been a different story, but I don't think that right now Nato nor Poland woul be caught with its pants down..

 

[Meta not Meta]

Does anyone actually take Russian state media seriously?

Ours maybe be bad (cf. CBC Newsworld and their frequently infurating coverage of the truckers in Ottawa), but not quite as unremittingly propagandistic as that ....

I watch France 24 too, but it is quite literally "state media".

Not a fan of Trump, but he probably understands better than most that their is no likely clear winner in this war.

 

[Womaniser]

Does anyone actually take Russian state media seriously?

Ours maybe be bad (cf. CBC Newsworld and their frequently infurating coverage of the truckers in Ottawa), but not quite as unremittingly propagandistic as that ....

I watch France 24 too, but it is quite literally "state media".

Not a fan of Trump, but he probably understands better than most that their is no likely clear winner in this war.

Like most wars, there is a winner but at what cost.
You know that the Korean war never ended, no winner there.

 

[Meta not Meta]

Like most wars, there is a winner but at what cost.
You know that the Korean war never ended, no winner there.

Except that South Korea has clearly won the peace, such as it is ...

South Korea may be Ukraine's model for the future, so long as it doesn't get trapped in this interminable conflict.