If Iran is close on nuclear weapons, which given their underground uranium enrichment facility which nobody seems to know whether it's damaged or not, who really knows, then how does Israel even risk being wrong? They are cooked if Iran is on the cusp and they do not do anything. How would Netanyahu explain the wiping out of the nation if in fact there was anyone left to explain something to? Oops our intelligence was wrong, sorry your babies were incinerated? WTF???? Like which planet's reality are you guys living in?
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Unfortunately, we live on a planet, where, its major and most powerful leaders cannot be trusted. As a good example of this is the context into which the Iraqui war was decided, against UN, France, Germany and Canada’s strong protests about the false allegations bringed forward by Georges W Bush:
"In the early 2000s, U.S. president George W. Bush and British prime minister Tony Blair both falsely asserted that Saddam's weapons programs were still active and large stockpiles of WMD were hidden in Iraq."
Then this, after the war:
"A year later, the U.S. Senate released its Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraqwhich concluded that many of the pre-war statements about Iraqi WMD were not supported by the underlying intelligence."
This is just one example of the use of false intelligence information spread by the USA to justify any interventions that serves them. Now, as of today, who are we suppose to believe? Israel? They only exist because they can be very useful to the USA. If it wasnt for all the $$$$ coming in from their american "friends", they wouldnt even be able to buy a single box of.22 cal amo..
How do you know the intelligence is false? There is significant evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapon capability. What we do not know is how far along that development is. Are you not even mildly concerned about what Iran might do if allowed to develop nuclear arsenals with total impunity?
You are saying we should not trust the U.S. or Israel but we should trust the Iranians. Why? Haven't they many times proclaimed that Israel must die? "Death to Israel", etc. Why should we trust them and more specifically why should the Israelis trust them?
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GWB was claiming exactly the same about Irak’s MDW! We all know it was a plain lie. Now, with a president that is considered a compulsive liar by most of his peers you really want me to believe him?
Where did you read this? If I say I dont trust a gorilla does it mean I trust a chimp?
Since Israel clearly has nuclear weapons, it doesn't seem likely that Iran would actually use a nuclear weapon against Israel right away. But once Iran gets a nuke and tests it publicly, then the threat of using it is all that Iran really wants.
As the only Muslim nuclear country in the Middle East, Iran would have even more freedom of action to create trouble with its terrorist proxies than it already has. Iran has demonstrated that it will go to extremes to attack Israel via its terrorist proxies (Hama, Hezbollah, the Houthis etc.). Israel is defeating all of them on the battlefield, but to put a real end to the threat from the terrorist proxies, Israel must eliminate the nuclear threat from Iran, which directs, supplies and supports the terrorist network.
It would be much harder and riskier to eliminate the threat from Iran if it were to get nukes. Why? Because the mullahs are hell bent on destroying Israel and they hope to do it via their proxies (and their supporters in the West ) but if it were necessary, then they don't care whether they and their fellow citizens would die in a nuclear exchange with Israel. Eliminating Iran's nukes gets rid of the nuclear threat and also the endless wars with Iran's proxies.
As the only Muslim nuclear country in the Middle East, Iran would have even more freedom of action to create trouble with its terrorist proxies than it already has. Iran has demonstrated that it will go to extremes to attack Israel via its terrorist proxies (Hama, Hezbollah, the Houthis etc.). Israel is defeating all of them on the battlefield, but to put a real end to the threat from the terrorist proxies, Israel must eliminate the nuclear threat from Iran, which directs, supplies and supports the terrorist network.
It would be much harder and riskier to eliminate the threat from Iran if it were to get nukes. Why? Because the mullahs are hell bent on destroying Israel and they hope to do it via their proxies (and their supporters in the West ) but if it were necessary, then they don't care whether they and their fellow citizens would die in a nuclear exchange with Israel. Eliminating Iran's nukes gets rid of the nuclear threat and also the endless wars with Iran's proxies.
You quote the part where, its about the Iraqui false intel spread by your president, you dont have to act like you didnt know that.
When Israel targets military and government officials, Iran lands his missiles indiscriminately. Killed by Iran while running from Russians.
"Anastasia and her family came to Israel from Ukraine for her cancer treatment, but, on Sunday, she, her grandmother, Olena, and cousins, Ilya and Kostyantyn, were killed by an Iranian missile that hit a building in Bat Yam, in central Israel. Her mother, Maria, remains missing"
"Anastasia and her family came to Israel from Ukraine for her cancer treatment, but, on Sunday, she, her grandmother, Olena, and cousins, Ilya and Kostyantyn, were killed by an Iranian missile that hit a building in Bat Yam, in central Israel. Her mother, Maria, remains missing"
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Then what was the point of your post if not to suggest that there is equivalence between the intelligence then and the intelligence now? Again, I ask how do you or anyone know that the intelligence is false? Do any of you claim to know with certitude the closeness or lack of closeness Iran has to testing a nuclear weapon? What is at stake for Israel, which many times has been threatened with death and cessation of existence by the Iranian "Supreme Leader", is a lot more dire than what is at stake for all of you armchair QBs who sit and post in the safety of your Montreal homes and condos, with utterly no worries about running to bomb shelters every 5 minutes like the citizens in Tel Aviv right now.
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We are supposed to believe Iran and their fanatical mullah supreme leader, especially when he says that Iran wants to erase Israel and the Jews from the face of the earth. Your casual attitude toward those threats leads me to believe that you share his desires. Judging from the numerous pro-Hamas demonstrations in Montreal, a lot of other Montrealers do too.
What part of these statements from Supreme Leader Khamenei is not clear to you?
“Israel is a malignant, cancerous tumor in the region that must be cut off and eradicated.”
“Zionists… act like the guard dogs of global arrogance. Their nature is to bark and bite.”
“The cancerous tumor called Israel must be uprooted from the region.”
“It is the Islamic Republic’s mission to erase Israel off the map.”
“If they commit even the smallest wrong, [we] will level Tel Aviv and Haifa to dust.”
“By Allah’s grace, in 25 years, nothing will remain of the Zionist regime in our region.”
“The Zionist virus that has lingered for years will soon be eliminated.”
“Death to Israel.”
Khamenei loathes the US as well, possibly even more so than Israel:
“Death to America… is like saying, ‘I seek God’s refuge from the accursed Satan,’... so the believer never forgets that Satan is ever ready to attack and destroy his spiritual shield.”
“‘Death to America’ means death to American policies and death to arrogance.”
“Death to America is not just a slogan – it is a policy.”
“America is the great Satan. This description is truly an excellent one.”
“The enmity from the US and Israel has always been there... if they commit any mischief, they will surely receive a strong reciprocal blow.”
These are not offhand barbs but strategic threats, calibrated to rally hard-liners at home and intimidate adversaries abroad. In Khamenei’s worldview, Israel and America are twin embodiments of “global arrogance” and “Zionist aggression” – cancers, dogs, viruses, and Satanic foes that must be expunged.
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I have no need or wish for Israel destruction. All I know is I am not going to blindfully believe any simple réthorique propanganda coming from someone who is on an agenda to expand his country’ s territory, regardless of UN multiple resolutions voted against him.
I have been getting photos from Israel and one of them is of a Chinese restaurant in downtown Tel Aviv. It appears badly damaged in the photos, and they will not be serving food to any customers for quite some time. I have been told it's the only Chinese restaurant in downtown Tel Aviv serving authentic Chinese fare, and for that reason, the Chinese embassy staff dine there. Although they will not be dining there any time soon.
There is a governmental entity in Israel called "Property Tax" which pays for the damage caused to property caused by terrorists and wartime actions. If it has enough money, when all the claims are sorted out, the Chinese restaurant will receive money to rebuild. If not, they will simply take the loss and rebuild with what funds they have.
There is a governmental entity in Israel called "Property Tax" which pays for the damage caused to property caused by terrorists and wartime actions. If it has enough money, when all the claims are sorted out, the Chinese restaurant will receive money to rebuild. If not, they will simply take the loss and rebuild with what funds they have.
If it is, indeed, the only authentic eatery for the embassy’s staff, I am sure the chineese authorities will solve the problems.
An interesting point here is that Trump has filled his cabinet and staff with isolationists like Tulsi Gabbard (the ex Democrat), who do not want to intervene based on the current intelligence and would like to leave the Israelis to their own devices. Trump is said to be butting heads with them, believing that the evidence of the uranium enrichment is evidence that Iran is dangerously close to nukes. How this will shake out in the coming days will be interesting to see. Will Trump be talked into staying out of the fray? I would like to stay out of it unless there is evidence of weapons in development, and if there is such evidence, they should be destroyed along with the people who are making them. And again, that job will fall on the U.S., because sure as shit nobody else will do it.
According to Israel, the people in charge are all dead as we speak. Now, when it comes to find evidences, I think it can only come from a UN delegation that will have full access to Iran’s installations.
It may sound utopic put this way but, think about it, Israel is about to destroy all of Iran’s ability to defend and attack, we shouldnt have any doubts about that. Iran are the ones who opened hostilities and Israel has been waiting for this moment since 1979.
If there is a nuclear military program, it is obviously not completed and with the Netanyahou hammer that hit them, most of their nuclear specialist are eliminated by now. So. for the moment, the nuke threat is not the emergency.
Once Iran’s army finds itself totally incapacitated there wont be much left for the ayatollah to negotiate, he will have to surrender and accept every single conditions put on his country.
Technically Israel did not attack Iran first. It was Iran that attacked Israel first with rockets and drones several months before in response to Israel action against Hezbollah which is the terrorist entity based in Lebanon and comprising of Arabs not Persians.
1984!!!
They've literally been bullshitting the world for 41 years!
I remember his goofy printout of a cartoon bomb lol
Meanwhile they have their own, won't admit it and won't allow inspectors while Iran does. But yeah, Iran is who we should be worried about. Suuure.
They've literally been bullshitting the world for 41 years!
I remember his goofy printout of a cartoon bomb lol
Meanwhile they have their own, won't admit it and won't allow inspectors while Iran does. But yeah, Iran is who we should be worried about. Suuure.
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