Its easy on video... Not IRL (peoples hurt)

[Halloween Mike]

Actually, according to latest news, the shooter distributed incel manifesto targetting women.

I saw this too but i think its stretching. Im not denying the guy may have had something against women but the ambush toward cops seem to be front center.

Im gonna be honest, i hate the term "incel" because it means "involontary celebataire" or something like that. Basically a guy that would like a girlfriend but can't have one.

Technically im kinda that ... I mean i said it often i would love to have a girlfriend and experience a relationship. But that does not mean i have something against women...

I just feel these words have been tainted to represent something very negative. Kinda like "masculinism" wich is now linked to big jerks like Andrew Tate and a terrible culture when at the core there is nothing wrong in masculinity and enjoying classic men values.

You know what i mean?

 

[mtlspacial]

I saw this too but i think its stretching. Im not denying the guy may have had something against women but the ambush toward cops seem to be front center.

Im gonna be honest, i hate the term "incel" because it means "involontary celebataire" or something like that. Basically a guy that would like a girlfriend but can't have one.

Technically im kinda that ... I mean i said it often i would love to have a girlfriend and experience a relationship. But that does not mean i have something against women...

I just feel these words have been tainted to represent something very negative. Kinda like "masculinism" wich is now linked to big jerks like Andrew Tate and a terrible culture when at the core there is nothing wrong in masculinity and enjoying classic men values.

You know what i mean?

Yeah, I understand what you're saying. Myself, more or less, was in the same boat at the end of my teens and beginning of my 20's. No success whatsoever. But it was mostly me being shy and lacked confidence. Of course, I envied more successful guys.

But, it wasn't a reason to become mysogenistic like these men. To the contrary, I always stayed philogynistic.

The internet now permits them to join and feed off each other.

I may simplify things too much (and some will disagree with me), but my point of view is that masculinists influencers now fill the void because society has gotten too politically correct and young men don't have access to moderate role models to ground them, so they are stuck with toxic and extremist mysoginics. They have always existed, but now they have podcasts and message boards to spread their hate.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Yeah, I understand what you're saying.

But, it wasn't a reason to become mysogenistic like these men. To the contrary, I always stayed philogynistic.

The internet now permits them to join and feed off each other.

I may simplify things too much (and some will disagree with me), but my point of view is that masculinists influencers now fill the void because society has gotten too politically correct and young men don't have access to moderate role models to ground them,

I relate and understand a lot to what you say.

Funny enough in my case i always been drawn to "love story". 10/15 years ago it was more in the raunchy comedies like American Pie, Take me home tonight and others in the vein. The last 5/8 years i actually gotten into plain romantic comedies a lot more and enjoyed them wich always make my friends (including women) find it funny as they think im "quetaine" lol.

I never felt hate toward love or couples in general. Quite the contrary. I know im not getting younger but maybe one day it will happen. Im in a weird spot where im self aware im socially awkward and lack confidence while also understanding human psych quite well. A paradox in a way. Lol

And yeah im not gonna lie i did my share of "b#tching" toward society becoming "too woke" at some point. But again i never wanted to embrace the other extreme. If anything i never leaned toward any extremes.

I feel the swift spot is always in the middle and dialogue is key.

"Boys will be boys" can exist while also learning respect and consent. Chivalry can also co-exist with "independant women".

My own moral compass always been on valuying life and working toward the greater good while also enjoying life and its many pleasures.

Exemple being our own "hobby" that is illegal in theory. But is it wrong? Only if peoples lean it toward the dark side. It can be both good and bad. Depends on behaviors.

 

[mtlspacial]

"Boys will be boys" can exist while also learning respect and consent. Chivalry can also co-exist with "independant women".

Amen!

 

[LeDodo]

I unfortunately know the place very well because I got friends visiting and I am sending and getting them by car from the hotel for the past few days.

I sent them back to the hotel yesterday night ...

A while ago just sent my friends back to the hotel.

Since this morning they have been stucked in the hotel. Police didn't let them go out of their room and asked them to close all the curtains.
They initially went into each room to try to find the gunner. The rooms with people could opened it otherwise they had forced opened the ones without response.
Only at around 5pm they were allowed to get out to finally drink and eat as they were not allowed to leave their room.
But after their first meal of the day when they tried to go back to their room they were not allowed to ...
So they stayed at my place while we were trying to get a hold of hotel reception to no avail.
So we decided to try our luck and I drove them nearby the hotel which the close proximity was still closed down.

And by foot they went back to the hotel to see if they could go in.

Luckily they were able to ...

 

[Smitty Jaeger-Manjenson]

"Boys will be boys" can exist while also learning respect and consent. Chivalry can also co-exist with "independant women".

In an effort to lighten the mood but an iota, an episode of the King of the Hill (Henri pis sa Gang) revival was centered around that. Hank Hill's younger brother G.H. who is in his teens became very interested in this very masculine motivational speaker who was obviously based on Andrew Tate and Hank attended one of the guy's seminars with G.H. And there was an instance where the men there were airing their frustrations and Hank said something along the lines of understanding their grievances, but it was time to bring some chivalry back.

Sadly, I'm not optimistic as to seeing something like that happen. Such concepts will be seen as too old-fashioned by all sides involved and society will keep degenerating into aggressive tribalism instead of trying to show some restraint and moderation. "Things fall apart, the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world" (W.B. Yeats). I honestly believe it's by design and "controlled collapse" but don't wish to turn the thread into blackpilled doomerposting and apocalyptic prophecy.

 

[Halloween Mike]

In an effort to lighten the mood

In an effort to light up the mood you paint a grim picture lol. I watched that show back then oh boy i was ...like 16?

Is it still going on? I tought it ended years ago.

 

[Smitty Jaeger-Manjenson]

In an effort to light up the mood you paint a grim picture lol. I watched that show back then oh boy i was ...like 16?

Is it still going on? I tought it ended years ago.

They revived it with a time skip. Bobby's all grown up and runs a restaurant.
Boy, I miss the awkward quebecois adaptation (Jeriboire, Bobby!). Imagine an alternate universe where Quebec is at the border of Mexico. Either that or they built like a superhighway that can connect the two territories in a couple hours, peeps can just pop down to Monterrey over the weekend. Que vienen Los Tabarnakos, buey!

 

[Halloween Mike]

They revived it with a time skip. Bobby's all grown up and runs a restaurant.
Boy, I miss the awkward quebecois adaptation (Jeriboire, Bobby!). Imagine an alternate universe where Quebec is at the border of Mexico.

Dude imagine the trauma i got when i learned "Henry pis ca gang" was not a Quebec product... Lol

It totally felt like it. Then one day i was browsing channels and on an english one i saw it and.... :O !!

Traumatizing ! Lol.

Its not like South Park or heck even the Simpsons wich had a very Quebec translation yet always felt "international" or close to it.

King of the Hill truly felt "Quebec" lol

 

[bodick7]

Dude imagine the trauma i got when i learned "Henry pis ca gang" was not a Quebec product... Lol

That’s why a série dubbed in French here is better than a European counterpart.
They insert local flavour in the lines.

 

[Giselle Montreal]

Im gonna be honest, i hate the term "incel" because it means "involontary celebataire" or something like that. Basically a guy that would like a girlfriend but can't have one.

They call themselves "incels", not us. They are the mysoginists. Thank god you don't like the term (and not like you have to) which means you're probably not one of them. They call themselves involuntary celibates, like they're victims. Victims of women.

Men hating women is not new, and shows how they're not right in the head.

 

[mtlspacial]

Men hating women is not new, and shows how they're not right in the head.

I try to remain very careful around labels when it comes to mental illness, such as what we just witnessed.

I've met and read Gabor Mate, who posits that extreme psychological behaviors often stem from unresolved early trauma and unmet attachment needs. In men, this emotional pain can manifest as compensatory behaviors, deep-seated feelings of inadequacy, and a "hunger" for external validation that goes unfulfilled, driving individuals to seek community and identity in online "manosphere" spaces. (Copy pasted
... I'm not that good lol)

My point is that I don't think anyone is born that way. It doesn't excuse in anyway shape or form what just happened and everyone must be accountable for their actions.

I just think you must always must look beyond and get to the root cause of things.

 

[Giselle Montreal]

I try to remain very careful around labels when it comes to mental illness, such as what we just witnessed.

My point is that I don't think anyone is born that way. It doesn't excuse in anyway shape or form what just happened and everyone must be accountable for their actions.

I just think you must always must look beyond and get to the root cause of things.

Nobody is born with depression, yet it's a mental illness.

Mental illnesses can develop along the way.

 

[Valentina Amante | LAVAL]

I try to remain very careful around labels when it comes to mental illness, such as what we just witnessed.

You don’t need to tiptoe around it. People who carry out acts like this are clearly not mentally well. Whatever the motive may be, there’s a serious issue behind that kind of behavior. We need to get back to calling things what they are instead of avoiding uncomfortable truths.

The psychology behind it is indeed interesting but it still doesn’t excuse anything.

everyone must be accountable for their actions.

Exactly. Unfortunately, nowadays it often seems like offenders are given repeated chances despite having prior offences. In many cases, there are warning signs / concerning behaviours long before they commit more serious acts. It’s frustrating and disappointing to see the same patterns repeated while preventable harm continues to occur.

 

[Valentina Amante | LAVAL]

I disagree. We do have far less mass shootings than the US and there is barely if any cases of gun "accidents" here.

The issue with the US is its encraved in their mentality. How many times did i see cases teenagers receiving guns as gifts by the parents and then using it to commit murders. Or teens stealing their parents gun to bring to school...

If anything the guy in this specific case is from Alberta... The province the closest right now to the US in term of current "values".

The U.S. having a strong gun culture isn’t the entire issue. In my view, the bigger problem is mental health, accountability, and intervention before someone reaches a breaking point. Guns aren’t outlawed, but neither are knives. When a gun is used in an attack, it’s immediately labeled an “assault weapon,” yet knives can also be used as weapons in violent assaults, and we don’t respond by calling for a ban on all knives every time there’s a stabbing.

The nuance that often gets lost is that the vast majority of gun owners never commit crimes… ex: If I know I’m not in the right state of mind to drive, I don’t get behind the wheel. I’ll stay home, take a walk, clear my head, or do whatever I need to do to get myself back on track. The same applies to everything else in life.

Having agency means taking responsibility for your own actions and choices, but too many people seem to lack that today because of their mental state. Instead of being accountable for their decisions, they blame circumstances, other people, or external factors for behaviour that ultimately comes down to personal responsibility.

What concerns me more is how many people struggle to access mental health support, lack positive guidance or parenting, or end up isolated in online echo chambers where their views become increasingly extreme. Too often there are warning signs long before a tragedy occurs, but the focus shifts entirely to the weapon instead of addressing the underlying issues that led someone down that path in the first place.

 

[Halloween Mike]

When a gun is used in an attack, it’s immediately labeled an “assault weapon,” yet knives can also be used as weapons in violent assaults, and we don’t respond by calling for a ban on all knives every time there’s a stabbing.

The nuance that often gets lost is that the vast majority of gun owners never commit crimes… ex: If I know I’m not in the right state of mind to drive, I don’t get behind the wheel. I’ll stay home, take a walk, clear my head, or do whatever I need to do to get myself back on track. The same applies to everything else in life.

Having agency means taking responsibility for your own actions and choices,

The difference is still major. If someone attack me with a knife, i may get cut a bit but i do believe in my chances to reppel him. If he has a gun, unless he is terrible at aiming i am pretty much toast. Also you have a lot more chances to survive a stabbing than a gunshot by default. And finally, we use knives to cut our steaks etc, or to prepare food and so on. What is a gun utility beside violence? It would be weird to see a society banning knives ... lol

As for the second part, while i do agree with the core of what you are saying (accountability, mental health etc) the problem is humans prove times and times again they lack the judgement. How many drunk driving incidents each years? How many cases of assault/battery, murders and so on? If you give easy acces to a gun, you simply enhance the chances of these incidents to happen and be more deadly. I know criminals have acces to guns etc but me personally, right now, even if i wanted to get a gun for whatever reason, i wouldn't even know where to get one beside the hunting shops (and thats not the type of guns that usually give problems) and since its legal etc there is a ton of check up and such. Personally i like this way. Obviously i am a pretty stable person mentality myself, but just for the sake of the exemple, i am happy that if for whatever reasons i was distress i simply do not know how i could acces a gun...

 

[Halloween Mike]

They call themselves "incels", not us. They are the mysoginists. Thank god you don't like the term (and not like you have to) which means you're probably not one of them. They call themselves involuntary celibates, like they're victims. Victims of women.

Men hating women is not new, and shows how they're not right in the head.

Lol i hope so im not one of them Nah personally i love too much women

 

[Halloween Mike]

That’s why a série dubbed in French here is better than a European counterpart.
They insert local flavour in the lines.

I think its a case by case tough. For instance it worked for The Boys because of all the cursing etc but i don't think i would like to see all shows dubbed that way. But cartoon like King of the Hill and The Simpsons work very well indeed. That said i think South Park is universaly translated in french (i mean same for France and us) and i always loved it in french as well.