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Carmine Falcone

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Well, if you call yourself an objective person, would you say that it is equally wrong for a Democratic Congresswoman to say the same about a Republican president directly, without the euphemism( Rashida Tlaib.)?

You do understand that you can criticize Joe Biden and still hate Donald Trump? The two are not mutually exclusive ideas. Then people would see you as fair minded. What is very clear is that the U.S. needs a president in 2024 who is not named Trump or Biden. The U.S. needs a true leader who can bring people together and not demonize people who they deem the opposition.
In the name of fairness, it's wrong when she did it too. I could easily point to a few differences between her stupid outburst and this one, but bottom line is she absolutely shouldn't have called him a "motherfucker."
I've criticized Biden on this board. But you're going to have to tell me where Biden demonized the opposition and isn't bringing the country together, much less in the flagrant fashion that Trump did it. Trump is the only president in my lifetime that didn't understand that he was the president not just for Republicans but the entire country.
So please cite examples of how Biden has been divisive.
 
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So please cite examples of how Biden has been divisive.
I`m sure he is a good man and wants to unite America but up to now he`s been doing the opposite. He is not divisive by choice ......but his choices have been divisive, even among Democrats.
His clumsy retreat from Afghanistan and his multi Trillion aid and spending package have have been good examples of actions that are divisive.
 
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He is not divisive by choice ......but his choices have been divisive, even among Democrats.
His clumsy retreat from Afghanistan and his multi Trillion aid and spending package have have been good examples of actions that are divisive.
I agree with this but it doesn't go far enough. Everything Biden does is clumsy and it's because he isn't bright and is in way over his head. Who can forget when he insulted blacks and then doubled down and insulted them again?
And of course he was compelled to pick a black female as a VP due to his assorted stupidities, but even the black voters who voted for him (and had no other choice) see through the clumsy veneer and are disgusted by his divisive words and divisive actions.

It's completely ridiculous to say "yeah he is awful, but Trump was worse." That's like going out to eat at a filthy and disgusting restaurant that sickens your whole family and saying to your wife, "it could have been worse, the food could have had Polonium 202 in it intended for a Russian spy." It's irrelevant and you don't give a pass to a filthy and disgusting restaurant like that, and for the same reason you don't give a pass to a President who is the absolute pits of the Earth and horrible in every way. It's deplorable to try and defend Biden in any way or with any comparison. Let's defeat the fucker in Democratic primaries. I am more motivated than ever to join and support the strongest Democractic candidate's campaign in 2024 primaries so we can work to have him defeated before the general election. In fact I will volunteer to head the Connecticut campaign if need be on my own time to insure Biden's defeat.
 
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When Biden was elected I knew he wasn't going to be the strongest of candidates and I hoped that he would pick a solid cabinet. Instead of picking people that were qualified and would advise him through the tough times he decided to pick people based on everything other than their credentials for the job. It's a shit show now and it's only going to be worse. I agree that the dems will need a strong candidate to replace Biden when his term comes due. I don't see many candidates who would want to step up and be handed this mess. Good luck to that person.
 

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I`m sure he is a good man and wants to unite America but up to now he`s been doing the opposite. He is not divisive by choice ......but his choices have been divisive, even among Democrats.
His clumsy retreat from Afghanistan and his multi Trillion aid and spending package have have been good examples of actions that are divisive.
I asked for examples on how he's being divisive and you first went with he's not being divisive by choice and then mentioned Afghanistan and the trillion dollar package.

First, "divisive not by choice" is flailing as arguments go.

Secondly, as we've already covered, Biden could have absolutely handled the Afghanistan withdrawal better. But it's so amusing to me as to you why you think this is a pivotal political issue. The country suddenly deeply cares about a country we've had a foothold in since 2001? Even at the height of the suicide bombings, they were just events that were happening "over there."

Everything that led up to quick collapse of the Afghan government-- like inaccurate troop numbers, corruption, a government that had most of its power in Kabul, to name a few examples--were decades in the making and spanned the administrations of Bush, Obama and Trump. And not only were most Americans tired of the unending wars (Trump campaigned on it), but that Afghanistan couldn't stand on its own for long precisely proved the point that the only way stability was possible was America's interminable presence. There's nothing sustainable about that.

Had Trump won in 2020, I don't see the Afghan pullback going any smoother. Trump and Pompeo didn't even include the Afghan government in the talks that happened with the Taliban in Doha. And it bears repeating again Biden followed through on Trump's plan. A big reason that Biden had the boldness (or stupidity, if you're inclined) on following through is because he's personally felt for a long time that we don't belong in Afghanistan.

As for the trillion dollar spending being divisive, polls say the opposite. Most of the provisions (that have been significantly pared down) are popular from anywhere from 56% to 66% of those polled. (Any partisan divide you might be see in the polling is specious. Even many poor Republicans, who get on disability instead of welfare, will greatly benefit too. But rank and file Republican voters are already beyond policy, which explains why they vote for Republicans that give them culture war issues, not pocket book issues. As another example, not a single Republican voted for the $1400 stimulus check but that money was mailed to Republicans too). We're on a message board where we discuss spending play money on X woman--because we're in a place in our lives where we can afford to. Despite all the vast wealth in this country, there are many people that can't afford the basics. And part of the employee empowerment taking place now is overdue backlash from poverty wages. The govt would have no need to step in if people could actually work their way out of poverty. Many of the provisions that are or were in BBB, like free college or paid leave are already taken for granted in many other European countries that aren't as rich as the US is. Do some of the provisions like free college (which is no longer on the table) be means tested? Of course. If you think government helping people is divisive, were you saying the same thing when they pass billions in tax cuts for people who already have more money than they can spend?
 

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It's completely ridiculous to say "yeah he is awful, but Trump was worse."
Nonsense! It's perfectly accurate to say that. Stop trying to twist the narrative.

Biden won a landslide victory because people realized that the Republican candidate was a far worse choice than the Democratic one. It's ridiculous that a once-powerful nation of over 300 million people has only produced one decent president (Obama) in the past thirty years and has become a worldwide object of pity and scorn in the last five. . That's a failure for the nation itself and it's a failure for the American people in general.
 

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The narrative here is that Biden is the pits of the Earth. Trump isn't President any more so the past doesn't matter. Would Biden have been elected if he had been running against anyone other than Trump? Maybe not, but he is President now and he is terrible at the job he was elected to do. If anyone is awful at their job they should be replaced. If an NFL QB is not producing he gets benched. Biden is not producing and he needs to be benched. Unfortunately with Presidents we can't bench them until the next election. So that's what we gotta do with this guy. We need choices besides Trump and Biden!
 

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Yeah, you do. But I'd suggest you try to find someone from Biden's party - because everyone in Trump's party kisses his butt and wants to be just like him.
And those few who don`t are for the most part not running again. Manchin is one of the Dems who has balls. I would like to see a Manchin and Liz Cheney ticket as a unite America candidates.
 

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Manchin and the Democrats do not believe in Biden. They see him as a false prophet or Pagan God, much like Beelzebub in the Old Testament. I would support a strong Democratic challenge to Biden in 2024 and Manchin might be the guy to do it. But at 74 he is a bit old. Will be 77 in 2024. Too old
 

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Is it true you Yanks are facing shortages of food and supplies?
Looks like Sleepy Joe is bringing back the days of the Great Depression and World War 2.
 
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Is it true you Yanks are facing shortages of food and supplies?
Looks like Sleepy Joe is bringing back the days of the Great Depression and World War 2.
Not nearly as bad as the media is trying to convince you it is.
 
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I asked for examples on how he's being divisive and you first went with he's not being divisive by choice and then mentioned Afghanistan and the trillion dollar package.
I stand by what I wrote and each day the American public prove me right.
Biden`s miserable approval rating is in the dumpster right next to Trump`s.
He will lose his slim majority in congress after the mid-terms ,
In 3 years or less he`ll be gone.
 

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The Biden presidency is a dumpster fire for the Democrats and like any fire, it needs to be put out. Who is calling 911 and where are the firemen?
 
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He will lose his slim majority in congress after the mid-terms ,
In 3 years or less he`ll be gone.
This prediction, especially the former part of it, isn't exactly going out on a limb. Since at least 1962, the party in power be it Dem or Republican nearly always loses their Congressional majority. The notable exceptions have been Clinton in '98 & Dubya in '02. So, losing seats is the default.

Of course, perceived job performance of the incumbent's party is a factor in midterm losses. But equally at play is that the opposition party's voters are energized while voters from the party in power are indifferent. That dynamic alone was at play in Virginia (lower Dem turnout), to say nothing of the local issues like education, running a blah candidate like Terry McAuliffe because he won once, campaigning mostly on Youngkin being a Trump surrogate while not saying what McAuliffe himself intends to do etc.

If you remember all the legislation making it harder for certain people to vote in tossup states like Arizona, Michigan and Georgia (or trending blue states like Texas) and the continued absence of voting standards at the federal level, it's not much of a reach to say Biden will lose in 2024 either. In 2016, a few thousand more votes in a handful of states was what ensured Trump an electoral college victory. In 2020, those strategic votes swung to Biden (running up the Biden votes in CA doesn't change the outcome). So, it wouldn't be exceedingly difficult to deliver a victory for the 2024 Republican nominee based alone on depressing the votes of people that are likely to vote against Republicans. I don't see how we still have the moral authority to lecture any nascent democracy in Africa based on all the anti-democratic methods we have right here.
 
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Anyone who voted for this idiot has no right to whine now. You had a perfectly good President who pumped up the economy and wanted to put America first. Yet I guess some of you wanted to toss him out because of his personality, which was at times crude and arrogant, so I suppose he needed to go mainly because of that, right? I think it had more to do with the fact that he went against the Leftist Globalist agenda and its Coastal Elite worshippers with no fucks given. Whatever the reason, it seems a majority of Americans thought it was better to replace him with a drooling senile puppet controlled by former Obama staffers.
Apparently this is what most of you wanted so suck it up.
Assuming the election results are to be believed.
 

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Sleepy Joe was also supposed to have been the better candidate to lead the country during a pandemic. But more people have died in the US from COVID under Biden.

 
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