Lady Gaga Monster Ball Tour Will Kick Off In Montreal June 28 During Jazz Fest!

[EagerBeaver]

I don't think you have 6 straight singles go to #1 on the Billboard chart due to marketing. If the music sucks you don't go to #1, it's really that simple, and no amount of great marketing overcomes weak music. I do not like all of her music but some of it is really good and all of it is very creative. She has her own style and creativity. Some of the live stuff she has done, including the videos posted here as well as the performance at the Grammy Awards with Elton John, speaks for itself as far as quality perfomance.

The same things were also said about the Beatles when they first hit it big in the 1960s. That they sold records due to the haircuts, etc. What a bunch of fucking bullshit. John Lennon was the greatest musician of the 20th Century.

 

[CS Martin]

I have to agree with EB on this one, the lady has style, sound and creativity. Although I personally agree on the John Lennon statement, I think you'd get a few that would dispute EB's proclaimation. I know of at least one MJ fan on this board who would dispute the statement.

 

[jeff jones]

John Lennon was the greatest musician of the 20th Century.

This i give my stamp of approval to

 

[JH Fan]

This i give my stamp of approval to

Here we go again. "The greatest musician..."

When you really know music or sport or any other activity that require a lot of skill, talent, sacrifice and effort... you know there is no such thing as a 'greatest'.

You can't compare different style of music this way.

You could always say that in your opinion he would be 'one of the greatest' but frankly if you know a lot about music I suspect your list would way too long to post it.

As if... once again only english and US music could produce the only 'greatest'.

As for Lady Gaga ? we said the same thing about Madonna at the beginning.
She was to be 'un feu de paille'. It wasn't gonna last, etc...

We'll see.

She does have a nack in doing music that keeps in your head even when it's quite annoying like a vuvuzela.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I found Doc post funny JJ but I do think she is good.

I saw her when she was a brunette and she really has talent.

She is funny, crazy, weird yet sometime very sexy even though she looks peculiar and that's what makes her unique.

I do agree though that she is quite a nut !
I just wonder how she is in bed.... maybe sweet or even maybe boring who knows !

I never said she wasn't good. But i did say she was a nutbar. Many nutbars that i've met throughout my life are geniuses (or were). But i don't consider Gaga to be a genius, just a Madonna wannabe. Actually, the more i think about it, she reminds me as much of David Bowie & his 'Ziggy Stardust' alter-ego from the early to mid-70's. I also think she has a big drinking problem. As for 'her' about maybe being good in bed, i'm actually not sold that she is indeed a 'she'. I find she has a masculine face & you've also heard some of the rumors about her possibly being a hermaphrodite. Anyways, her people made her up to be what she's become, and it seems to be working.

 

[Doc Holliday]

She does have a nack in doing music that keeps in your head even when it's quite annoying like a vuvuzela.

Quite true! Reminds me of the days of 'Kool and the Gang' when they first came up with "Celebration". That song was constantly in my head!

 

[JH Fan]

As for 'her' about maybe being good in bed, i'm actually not sold...

Actually I had the last sequence of Bad Romance and the recipe for a cocktail molotov in mind

 

[JH Fan]

Quite true! Reminds me of the days of 'Kool and the Gang' when they first came up with "Celebration". That song was constantly in my head!

Sh*t... you`ve just put it in my head !

 

[jeff jones]

Here we go again.

You could always say that in your opinion he would be 'one of the greatest' but frankly if you know a lot about music I suspect your list would way too long to post it.

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Well try this on for size, in my opinion i probably know as much about music as you do, but having said that neither one of us probably knows half as much about music as we think we do and i agree with Doc, i am not quite sure what she is but i doubt she is 100% female. This much i know she is not my type and that is not opinion, that is a fact. I will leave it up to others to fantasize about how she or what ever she may be is in bed

 

[Doc Holliday]

i agree with Doc, i am not quite sure what she is but i doubt she is 100% female. This much i know she is not my type and that is not opinion, that is a fact. I will leave it up to others to fantasize about how she or what ever she may be is in bed

Agreed. I'd probably find it as easy to fantasize about Ellen Degeneres' bed manners as i would about Gaga, which i find unnattractive facially & her body is simply not attractive. However, she's a singer/performer and her looks shouldn't even matter. Some of her songs are quite catch, i must admit, and her show is more like a theatre performance than a vocal one. That said, if she has to constantly resort to gimmicks, it makes me wonder about her level of artistic talent. Personally, if i want to see gimmicks, i'll go to see le Cirque du Soleil.

Even though i do enjoy a couple of her songs while working out or out on the dance floor, i'm not a fan of Gaga. I'm tired of her antics & rude behaviour. It also wouldn't surprise me if in the near future we find out that she's admitted herself to rehab & her touring is put on hold.

 

[JH Fan]

It also wouldn't surprise me if in the near future we find out that she's admitted herself to rehab & her touring is put on hold.

I bet you'll see even more cuze gaga is basically a phenomenon now.

It might be for a short time since so many things are nowadays... but don't forget that Madonna, Jackson, and yes even The Beatles became such.

It took a long time before Madonna really became one and many felt she was finished.
Same for Jackson. It took his death for many to go over his looks and weird stuff.

The Beatles were basically a new 'bebitte' and a lot of people felt it wouldn't last at the beginning.
I'm sure when people heard "I am the walrus" for exemple felt that they were more than just 'coucou'

 

[Doc Holliday]

I bet you'll see even more cuze gaga is basically a phenomenon now.

It might be for a short time since so many things are nowadays... but don't forget that Madonna, Jackson, and yes even The Beatles became such.

The Beatles were basically a new 'bebitte' and a lot of people felt it wouldn't last at the beginning.
I'm sure when people heard "I am the walrus" for exemple felt that they were more than just 'coucou'

Please tell me that you're not comparing Nutbar Gaga to the Beatles?

(Why do i tend to think of Lindsay Lohan when i think of Gaga?)

 

[JH Fan]

Please tell me that you're not comparing Nutbar Gaga to the Beatles?

(Why do i tend to think of Lindsay Lohan when i think of Gaga?)

Ben non Doc !

I'm talking about the fact that Gaga has become a phenomenon.

There are a lot of groups back in the 60's that didn't became one.
And becoming one isn't only about musical talent.

You really have to have the will to become one.

Take Celine Dion for exemple.
A lot of people including me felt she had a good voice but it wouldn't go further.
But she showed that her will was beyond that.

As for Gaga ? I felt she was a nutbar anoying with her popopopoker face... and that her music was written more for a stripper and yet...

I stumbled upon this youtube and although she isn't John Lennon at the piano or Alycia Keys which I find more talented than Lennon by the way (maybe I'm biased by her looks) but Gaga made me think about Norah Jones...a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM51qOpwcIM

Is Gaga not 100% female ?
mmm... I sure like her as a brunette.

Gaga is a phenomenon because she wanted to be and made herself into one by doing something different yet having the nack to write songs which keeps in your head even though you could feel they are stupid songs (like poker face) and yes they are about today's generation.

Most probably we'll see her for a long time.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Ben non Doc !

I'm talking about the fact that Gaga has become a phenomenon.

Gaga is a phenomenon because she wanted to be and made herself into one by doing something different yet having the nack to write songs which keeps in your head even though you could feel they are stupid songs (like poker face) and yes they are about today's generation.

Justin Bieber's a phenomenon.

 

[JH Fan]

Justin Bieber's a phenomenon.

In french maybe but I would even call him a rising star.
A phenomenon is someone who has already gained high visibility.
That's why for exemple TIME Magazine included Gaga in their 100 most influencial people.

And yes even Sarah Palin is there...and Drogba (CIV player in the world cup)

BTW Gaga just joined along with CREED and many others; the boycott on BP that KORN started 'while on tour'.

 

[jeff jones]

Take Celine Dion for exemple.
A lot of people including me felt she had a good voice but it wouldn't go further.
But she showed that her will was beyond that.

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In my opinion a giant, giant difference between Gaga and Celine Dion. Like Gaga neither one of them is overly attractive but unlike Gaga, Celine did not have to put on a freak show to make it to the top, she did it on raw talent and a powerful, powerful voice, nothing more nothing less. What you seen is what you got, no side shows to become famous.

 

[CS Martin]

In my opinion a giant, giant difference between Gaga and Celine Dion. Like Gaga neither one of them is overly attractive but unlike Gaga, Celine did not have to put on a freak show to make it to the top, she did it on raw talent and a powerful, powerful voice, nothing more nothing less. What you seen is what you got, no side shows to become famous.

All artists present themselves as they wish and impart an entertainment value that is interpeted by the viewer. Case in point being the Monkeys. Most people think they were nothing but a marketing gimmick. Hell, initially they didn't even play their own music. However many in the music industry now point to benchmarks they set and styles that were copied from their music. Could it be, just like the M_c vs. P_ debate, that all parties have a good deal to offer?

 

[jeff jones]

All artists present themselves as they wish and impart an entertainment value that is interpeted by the viewer.

Well i do agree that they do what they have to do to sell there product, with some it takes a whole lot more of a side show then others to make themselves marketable.

 

[CS Martin]

Well i do agree that they do what they have to do to sell there product, with some it takes a whole lot more of a side show then others to make themselves marketable.

Agreed. Sometimes, just like great painters, a performer's value is not appreciated until they're gone. Janice Joplin & Jim Croce are but a few. BTW, for those of you that have never heard Jim in his last recorded live performance (I think it was at LSU).......well, it goes good with a little scotch and a good cigar.

Hopefully, the moderators will allow some leeway here for a Jim Croce tune on You Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2NISXa1Qok
It's funny as hell!!

Cheers,
CS

 

[EagerBeaver]

CS Martin,

Jim Croce is very comparable to Lady Gaga from the Billboard chart standpoint. He had a number of meteoric hit singles in a very short period of time before his death. Lady Gaga has had 6 straight #1 Billboard singles in a very short period of time. Music does not sell in this fashion due to any amount of marketing. When the Beatles had similar early chart success, many said it was due to the way that they were marketed and their haircuts. The fact is, music does not get marketed unless it is good. Record companies have no desire to sink money into people who do not have talent.

That being said, from what I know about Jim Croce, the marketing of himself prior to his chart success was next to zero. He was arguably the least marketed musical superstar in history, which was probably largely a function of his own personality. So just like with everyone else, his music sold because it was good.

How someone is marketed or how they look is totally irrelevant to me. All I care about is the sound of the music. That being said, one guy who was an immense talent, but the sound and production quality of his studio recordings is a bit lacking, is Jimi Hendrix. He is without a doubt one of the greatest rock guitarists of all time, but if you listen to his studio recordings they sound like they were produced by a rank amateur. It is more than a bit amazing to me, although perhaps Hendrix was striving for a "raw", garage type sound. I still consider him to be easily in the top 5 rock guitarists of all time.

Regarding Michael Jackson, I think we all knew even back in the 1980s that this guy was gay and he was certainly an odd and eccentric guy to say the very least, but his live performance at the 1983 Motown TV show was probably the best performance live in the history of television. In the final analysis you cannot fool the consumer, either the music is good or it sucks. If it is good radio stations will play it and people will buy it, it's that simple. Nothing else really matters. Lady Gaga exhibits some of the same qualities of these past artists and I believe her music will hold up over time as theirs did.