Largest ever child sex ring broken up 150 pimps arrested, 105 children saved
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well said John like to ask these bastards how would they feel if this is done to their children and their sisters.
They probably won't feel bad about it.
I rather these pimps get tortured 24 hours non-stop.
Hello all,
Maybe most of these people might draw a line at family relations, but do you real feel it's safe to say they don't also exploit their families too. I don't put any faith in the idea that those evil enough to use children like this are necessarily respecting their own children and/or relations. Once one has the sickness where does it really stop.
I think anyone making such assumptions about the extent of child slavery based on one large arrest episode is making an evaluation they wanted to make before any of this episode was known. If you want to base your opinion on what the FBI found then contradicting when the FBI says “sex trafficking among children remains one of the most prevalent, violent and unconscionable crimes in this country,” it contradicts the basis of your opinion. Using this case alone to back up a predisposed view is full of wishful thinking in my view.
About torture, I'm sure some mean what they say and others are having a very understandable emotional reaction. I can't say I blame them for feeling either way, but you make a good point. Considering that underage ladies have been exposed in this hobby before it's likely anyone who has been in it for a while and goes with ladies listed under, say 25 years old, may have easily made this mistake.
Yet, these types of criminals tend to get singled out for "special treatment" in prison and I find it very, very hard to have any sympathy for them when they destroy young lives knowing the treatment if they get caught.
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Merlot
Maybe most of these people might draw a line at family relations, but do you real feel it's safe to say they don't also exploit their families too. I don't put any faith in the idea that those evil enough to use children like this are necessarily respecting their own children and/or relations. Once one has the sickness where does it really stop.
I think anyone making such assumptions about the extent of child slavery based on one large arrest episode is making an evaluation they wanted to make before any of this episode was known. If you want to base your opinion on what the FBI found then contradicting when the FBI says “sex trafficking among children remains one of the most prevalent, violent and unconscionable crimes in this country,” it contradicts the basis of your opinion. Using this case alone to back up a predisposed view is full of wishful thinking in my view.
About torture, I'm sure some mean what they say and others are having a very understandable emotional reaction. I can't say I blame them for feeling either way, but you make a good point. Considering that underage ladies have been exposed in this hobby before it's likely anyone who has been in it for a while and goes with ladies listed under, say 25 years old, may have easily made this mistake.
Yet, these types of criminals tend to get singled out for "special treatment" in prison and I find it very, very hard to have any sympathy for them when they destroy young lives knowing the treatment if they get caught.
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Merlot
With all due respect Capt, your logic seems flawed. 150 pimps, but only 105 children? Unless things have changed, pimps are not known for sharing "employees". If that is the case,then several children were not found. The article stated that it was the seventh of it's kind. That means the problem is ongoing. Cut off the Hydra's head and another grows in it's place. To say that the problem is not as big as believed is naive in my opinion.
The article stated that classified ads and social media sites were used. From what I know of child prostitution, which was learned from news shows/articles, it is a secretive crime. Like the trading of child pornography, it is done under the cover of anonymity, but amongst "club members" with unique ways of identifying themselves. Only fools would have answered ads or social media sites of a previously unknown origin. It is also possible that I am just underestimating the law enforcement agencies involved. If I'm not, then the more experienced perverts are still out out there.
As for punishment, once found guilty, these diseased pieces of filth should be eradicated in ways the Mods would never allow me to post.
The article stated that classified ads and social media sites were used. From what I know of child prostitution, which was learned from news shows/articles, it is a secretive crime. Like the trading of child pornography, it is done under the cover of anonymity, but amongst "club members" with unique ways of identifying themselves. Only fools would have answered ads or social media sites of a previously unknown origin. It is also possible that I am just underestimating the law enforcement agencies involved. If I'm not, then the more experienced perverts are still out out there.
As for punishment, once found guilty, these diseased pieces of filth should be eradicated in ways the Mods would never allow me to post.
Hello CR,
I don't know what kind of expertise, if any, Ashton Kutcher has. I had totally forgotten hearing of his views when I posted previously and Iwouldn't credit him with much anyway. My point was you seemed to be using this episode (large or small) to prove something you decided already. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that if you've researched the subject thoroughly, however, looking to reinforce a decision already made is risky. As a history person I've seen the problem many times when new evidence forces reevaluation. Even dedicated experts lock their minds into old archaic views, and foolishly dismiss other possibilities because of traditional views.
While some may be exaggerating the problem, possibly grossly, how many children does it take to define it as a "large" problem, 1,000, 10,000, 100,000, 1,000,000? Just because the population of the U.S. is one of the largest in the world this issue is not small because of some lesser percentage. It's about selling children. The crime itself is huge whatever the numbers, and if anyone doesn't think so because of what they worry about or fear about social politics they need reevaluate their perspective. If you are worried that the PR aspects of anti-child prostitution raids like the subject here may affect some sort of political maneuvering, I have to ask how could anyone on whatever side of this numbers bantering could not be deeply affected regardless of biased PR advantages to a socio-political position. This is children being treated like trash. EVERYONE should be deeply affected.
Please explain...how many child prostitutes would be a BIG PROBLEM in your view???
I don't think the real numbers are the point or should be fought over even if some want to use them for their own agendas.
Cheers,
Merlot
I don't know what kind of expertise, if any, Ashton Kutcher has. I had totally forgotten hearing of his views when I posted previously and Iwouldn't credit him with much anyway. My point was you seemed to be using this episode (large or small) to prove something you decided already. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that if you've researched the subject thoroughly, however, looking to reinforce a decision already made is risky. As a history person I've seen the problem many times when new evidence forces reevaluation. Even dedicated experts lock their minds into old archaic views, and foolishly dismiss other possibilities because of traditional views.
While some may be exaggerating the problem, possibly grossly, how many children does it take to define it as a "large" problem, 1,000, 10,000, 100,000, 1,000,000? Just because the population of the U.S. is one of the largest in the world this issue is not small because of some lesser percentage. It's about selling children. The crime itself is huge whatever the numbers, and if anyone doesn't think so because of what they worry about or fear about social politics they need reevaluate their perspective. If you are worried that the PR aspects of anti-child prostitution raids like the subject here may affect some sort of political maneuvering, I have to ask how could anyone on whatever side of this numbers bantering could not be deeply affected regardless of biased PR advantages to a socio-political position. This is children being treated like trash. EVERYONE should be deeply affected.
Please explain...how many child prostitutes would be a BIG PROBLEM in your view???
I don't think the real numbers are the point or should be fought over even if some want to use them for their own agendas. Cheers,
Merlot
I call it bullshit. Wait to get the whole story.
The story is framed. They don't even pretend it is not. It is built for an effect. My guess is very simple: the newsrooms are unable to get their hands on some solid demonstration of the pseudo human trafficking epidemic. And the people feeding them the story are in great need to justify the continuation of their special program funding.
Merlot, we can push the number game to the end: one is one too many.
However, I have a strong conviction that child abuse is on the decline worldwide. It certainly is here, in our society. Some things made to the children less than 5 decades ago would come close to what we define as abuse today. I am also convinced that in most countries of the world, sex workers are older today than in any other time. It was normal, at least very frequent under the supervision of the law, to be a prostitute at 16 in Paris in the 19th Century. I'd suggest anyone not to be found with one today. Marriage before 18, especially for the girls, was natural here less than 50 years ago in the rural areas. And families had a lot to say as to whom someone would get married to.
Child abuse has always existed and is here to stay since some of it has pathological origins. Elsewhere is the reason for framing the bust.
Thanks captr for pointing Weitzer. I would also suggest Laura Agustin (the Naked Anthropologist).
The story is framed. They don't even pretend it is not. It is built for an effect. My guess is very simple: the newsrooms are unable to get their hands on some solid demonstration of the pseudo human trafficking epidemic. And the people feeding them the story are in great need to justify the continuation of their special program funding.
Merlot, we can push the number game to the end: one is one too many.
However, I have a strong conviction that child abuse is on the decline worldwide. It certainly is here, in our society. Some things made to the children less than 5 decades ago would come close to what we define as abuse today. I am also convinced that in most countries of the world, sex workers are older today than in any other time. It was normal, at least very frequent under the supervision of the law, to be a prostitute at 16 in Paris in the 19th Century. I'd suggest anyone not to be found with one today. Marriage before 18, especially for the girls, was natural here less than 50 years ago in the rural areas. And families had a lot to say as to whom someone would get married to.
Child abuse has always existed and is here to stay since some of it has pathological origins. Elsewhere is the reason for framing the bust.
Thanks captr for pointing Weitzer. I would also suggest Laura Agustin (the Naked Anthropologist).
For sake of comparing apples with apples, do you know for fact how many juvenile prostitutes total these 8,263 arrests involve?
Alright so you don't know the answer.
Unless all of the 8,263 persons arrested were underaged prostitutes, the comparison is not acceptable. What if, for sake of argument, all of the 8,263 persons arrested were pimps working independently and that each pimp on average had 10 underaged prostitutes under his control? Here we would be talking about 80,000 juvenile prostitutes.
The point is that the Village Voice's report provides no detail on the 8,263 arrests. It just says: "This number is a far cry from the 100,000 to 300,000 number of child prostitutes advocates and the media have been trumpeting for years." Basically it's like saying: there can't be four eggs in the nest because there's only one hen in the barnyard.
Village Voice is no less guilty of manipulating numbers and the fact they are reproduced here without giving it a thought may as well hint at some ulterior motive.
1 It is obvious from reading the article that the arrests are individual cases.
2 To make the type of inference you try to do, you would need to start with pimping arrest, not child arrests.
3 The result of your inference would be 80 000 juvenile prostitute CASES OVER 10 YEARS. You cannot mix synchronic analysis with time series.
Village Voice is certainly not guilty of manipulating numbers in this article. They legitimately question the link between the 1000/y arrests and the fantasy statistics provided by organizations needing the money for their moral crusade. They do not pretend they know the real numbers. They simply state that they have serious reasons not to believe the organizations providing these numbers and they explain why.
4 Would you mind clarifying the "ulterior motive" you're talking about? It is useless to make such statement otherwise.
2 To make the type of inference you try to do, you would need to start with pimping arrest, not child arrests.
3 The result of your inference would be 80 000 juvenile prostitute CASES OVER 10 YEARS. You cannot mix synchronic analysis with time series.
Village Voice is certainly not guilty of manipulating numbers in this article. They legitimately question the link between the 1000/y arrests and the fantasy statistics provided by organizations needing the money for their moral crusade. They do not pretend they know the real numbers. They simply state that they have serious reasons not to believe the organizations providing these numbers and they explain why.
4 Would you mind clarifying the "ulterior motive" you're talking about? It is useless to make such statement otherwise.
Sidney, I don't think that's what Dick Plalahniuk meant at all. The question is how many victims (underaged prostitutes) are related to the 8000 and something arrests? 1? 500? 10000? 100000? We don't know. Whoever claims to know based on his impression or what he thinks sounds right or on his strong convictions is no more no less making up facts thanthe people who claim there are 100000 to 300000 juvenile prostitutes in the USA.
In any case, who cares? The number is what it is. Regardless of it, LE must do everything it takes - EVERYTHING - to stop these slimy criminals.
In any case, who cares? The number is what it is. Regardless of it, LE must do everything it takes - EVERYTHING - to stop these slimy criminals.
I just saw a documentary about the U.S. sex industry - the one featuring Jessie Jane. Anyway to my surprise it showed how in one of the biggest sex cities in the U.S. of Las Vegas, most of the girls who are advertised on the Strip are being pimped out. The pimps would contact any agency in Vegas and assure that their girls are the first ones offered to potential clients, by offering kickbacks. While staying at the Wynn Hotel I visited one of the bar/lounge areas and I was approached by a pimp offering several girls seated at the bar. The bottom line is that I believe that a large percentage of sp in the U.S. are working for a pimp. I don't know if anyone knows the exact number but I would guess well over 50%. The high dollar agencies frequented by Elliott Spitzer are the minority. A lot of these women are runaways who are controlled/manipulated by their pimps through beatings, and other coercion. Many will not cooperate with LE if their pimp is arrested, due to outright fear for their lives.
Also, while visiting Dallas a couple of yrs. ago I stayed at a Motel 6 nearby BabyDolls off Northwest Hwy. I would frequently see really hot, young (some appeared around 18) women staying at the Motel 6 with their pimps. I would see the same girls advertised on Craigslist before the ban. These pimps are human leaches and have no worth. That's why I prefer to go to Canada where it is mostly legal. I also have the belief that most of the reputable agencies in Montreal employ girls who are not working for a pimp. But, how do we know? The thought of 1 cent going to these human leaches really makes my blood boil.
Also, while visiting Dallas a couple of yrs. ago I stayed at a Motel 6 nearby BabyDolls off Northwest Hwy. I would frequently see really hot, young (some appeared around 18) women staying at the Motel 6 with their pimps. I would see the same girls advertised on Craigslist before the ban. These pimps are human leaches and have no worth. That's why I prefer to go to Canada where it is mostly legal. I also have the belief that most of the reputable agencies in Montreal employ girls who are not working for a pimp. But, how do we know? The thought of 1 cent going to these human leaches really makes my blood boil.
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