MORE Bait & Switch with Merb Clients Candyxxxclusif AND Red Door Escorts

[WoodyWoody]

Again this useless Gang opened another website to simply rip you off.
See the link bellow. Same people . They have at least 20 websites , all
garbage.
https://merb.cc/vbulletin//showthread.php?t=12296

Same group manage by Sabrina and her Moroccan Father.
( See Kissmeescorts , Obsession , Montrealadies, Montrealfemaleescorts
and so on. )

In less then 2 minutes this is what I found about Charlies Angels .
www.charliesangelsescort.com

Trista : Bait and Switch :
http://www.charliesangelsescort.com/detail.php?imgid=29
http://www.inmagine.com/cover-girl-photos/imagestate-v3064

Kim : Bait and Switch
http://www.charliesangelsescort.com/detail.php?imgid=27
http://www.pokazuha.ru/view/topic.cfm?key_or=817253&lenta_type=1&type=76

Sabrina is by far the most fraudulous individual in the industry.
They open website after website !

AGAIN AVOID AT ALL COST !

 

[Doc Holliday]

Thanks for the valuable info offered to our members. What i found to be as unfortunate is the fact these scam artists are still allowed to advertise on this board. It shouldn't always be about money. Principles should go first, even in business. The board looks as guilty as they are when they're continuously allowed to advertise. My opinion.

 

[pokerpro]

I think that the hollywood studio that own the copyrights for " Charlie's Angels" would like to know about this.
Does anyone know how we can warn them about it?

 

[Doc Holliday]

I think that the hollywood studio that own the copyrights for " Charlie's Angels" would like to know about this.

Talk about a marketing scam which is obviously totally devoted at fooling the unsuspecting American hobbyist by using such a name to promote themselves.

 

[WoodyWoody]

Bait & Switch Agencies

Thanks for the valuable info offered to our members. What i found to be as unfortunate is the fact these scam artists are still allowed to advertise on this board. It shouldn't always be about money. Principles should go first, even in business. The board looks as guilty as they are when they're continuously allowed to advertise. My opinion.

Thanks Doc. Sabrina and her father have so many Bait & Switch Agencies.
Two more scraps.

Red Door Escorts
They take their pictutes from a variety of Russian Porn Sites and Agencies
http://www.reddoorescorts.com/galleryhome.html
Bait & Switch Yvonne :
http://www.reddoorescorts.com/yvonne/yvonne2.html
http://www.pokazuha.ru/view/topic.cfm?key_or=646079

Calendar Girls
http://escort-montreal.net/ladies.html
Bait & Switch Rebecca :
http://escort-montreal.net/rebecca-1.htm
http://www.tuvideogratis.com/promociones/01417/xnarda_es.php

 

[Mike Mercury]

I think that the hollywood studio that own the copyrights for " Charlie's Angels" would like to know about this.
Does anyone know how we can warn them about it?

Strictly speaking the title of a book or movie cannot be copyrighted. Reason being that there are only so many titles to go around.

 

[Voyager]

AVOID AT ALL COST

WW,

Why start a new thread when there is a sticky thread for the specific purpose of warning members of Bait & Switch agencies?

Lion Heart`s Buyer’s Beware thread is well read (and my favorite ) and your information should be added there so it won`t get lost in a jungle of Lounge threads.

Maybe the Mods can move the pertinent information provided here to the appropriate thread?

Regards, and Happy New Year...

Voyager

 

[WoodyWoody]

WW,

Why start a new thread when there is a sticky thread for the specific purpose of warning members of Bait & Switch agencies?

Lion Heart`s Buyer’s Beware thread is well read (and my favorite ) and your information should be added there so it won`t get lost in a jungle of Lounge threads.

Maybe the Mods can move the pertinent information provided here to the appropriate thread?

Regards, and Happy New Year...

Voyager

The Lion Hearts study is fantastic .

I started a new one since I have picture proof. With more to come.

 

[Regular Guy]

Keep them marginal!

Thanks for the valuable info offered to our members. What i found to be as unfortunate is the fact these scam artists are still allowed to advertise on this board. It shouldn't always be about money. Principles should go first, even in business. The board looks as guilty as they are when they're continuously allowed to advertise. My opinion.

Agreed! Perhaps this should be put to the MODS or even Fred! This kind of thing goes against everything this board stands for. Condoning them advertising is a major contradiction to the why of this board! In any event best to keep the B&S thread current. Wonder what other pressures might be brought to bear! Flooding the agency e-mail with messages condemning this might be a start. I sent the first one

 

[Merlot]

Agreed! Perhaps this should be put to the MODS or even Fred! This kind of thing goes against everything this board stands for. Condoning them advertising is a major contradiction to the why of this board! In any event best to keep the B&S thread current. Wonder what other pressures might be brought to bear! Flooding the agency e-mail with messages condemning this might be a start. I sent the first one

Hello Regular Guy,

If Fred and/or the mods knew these people were the same who had a record of scamming then there is a problem to be accounted for. Did they know? Should they have known? Is the application process to advertise set up to investigate possible "scams"? Or, is investigation only part of the process when cause becomes clear? It would be wise to investigate every application, but would the information be available before there is cause? These people are probably not going to apply to advertise with a warning of their intentions. If one cannot identify who they are, by whatever means, then prevention before any episode is obviously very difficult. Hopefully the process will be fully explained along with the probabilities of prevention of abuse????

Curious,

Merlot

 

[Mod 8]

Actually this board is a private business. That means the interests of advertisers are pretty much held on the same plane as those of hobbyists...

The Mods have made it clear that advertisers are allowed to say pretty much whatever they want, about girls heights, weights, ages and the services they offer, and it's up to reviewers to point out the faults.....and if they are not happy, they are welcome to use other boards....

At least MERB is allowing Merbites to point out when an agency is bait and switch...that in itself is a big help....

Hello Benson,

How exactly do you propose that MERB ensure that all information posted by advertisers on their websites is accurate? Do you expect the moderators to spend their own money to book every lady to verify that every escort in Montreal is accurately described on the website which advertises her services? Do you also propose that we verify their birth certificates to verify their age and bring along a measuring tape and scale? We do not have any authority over what anyone chooses to post on their websites nor does any other review board on the internet. MERB is not a regulatory body for the escort business, it is a review board.

The reason MERB exists is so that hobbyists may post reviews of the ladies they have seen, good and bad, so that other hobbyists who may be interested in seeing the same lady may have something to base their decision on. Some posters choose to post only good reviews and do not share their bad experiences. This is also something that is out of our control. Bad reviews are as valuable to the members of the board as good ones are but if the members do not post them there is nothing we can do about it.

As far as accepting advertising dollars from B&S agencies is concerned, would you prefer that we charged a membership fee to access MERB to make up for the lost revenue that is necessary to pay the operating costs of the board? I hate to break it to you, but MERB is a business and Fred does not operate this board out of the goodness of his heart to provide information for it's members.

MERB does not prevent the posting of bad reviews or of information related to Bait and Switch agencies. The information is there for those who care to do a bit of research before booking with one of these suspect agencies. If anyone has any reasonable suggestions on how things can be improved, we are always ready to hear them.

Mod 8

 

[Mod 8]

Hello Regular Guy,

If Fred and/or the mods knew these people were the same who had a record of scamming then there is a problem to be accounted for. Did they know? Should they have known? Is the application process to advertise set up to investigate possible "scams"? Or, is investigation only part of the process when cause becomes clear? It would be wise to investigate every application, but would the information be available before there is cause? These people are probably not going to apply to advertise with a warning of their intentions. If one cannot identify who they are, by whatever means, then prevention before any episode is obviously very difficult. Hopefully the process will be fully explained along with the probabilities of prevention of abuse????

Curious,

Merlot

Hello Merlot,

I do not know of any B&S agencies who post in the advertiser section of MERB. Do some of them have banners on MERB? Yes they do. But most of the reputable agencies post in the advertiser sections of MERB. This should be a good start in evaluating the quality of the agency.

If any agency was to post bait and switch ads or photos in the advertiser section they would be banned for posting false information on the board. But as I posted before, MERB has no control over any agency's website or over what quality of service you may receive.

Mod 8

 

[bensonnobalia]

Hello Benson, How exactly do you propose that MERB ensure that all information posted by advertisers on their websites is accurate? Mod 8

Mod,

Under the circumstances I'd say MERB does a pretty good job, which is why I deleted my initial post....it was not my intention to tie you up in a discussion that we have had many time before.

But since you asked....

I suppose that at one time, I thought that a thread (similar to one I once started many moons ago) which tracked when agencies misrepresent girls' real ages, would have been useful....

My thinking was that such a thread would have minimized agency-client refusals, when agencies try to pass 28 year olds, with eight years experience in five different agencies, as 22 year olds who are "new."

However the back channels work just fine for that. And there really doesn't seem to be much demand among other hobbyists for that kind of information.

But tks. for the reply.

Ben

 

[Mod 8]

Benson,

This business is about fantasy, not about reality. But even in the real world, do you know very many women who take kindly to discussions about their age or weight? The total failure, on both boards I might add, of your previous attempt to make an issue out of such things should show you that what interests the members of MERB is the quality of service they receive, and not details that cannot be verified by anyone without having access to an escort's personal information. Someone may judge a lady to be 21, others may see her as 18 or even 25. Unless you can see proof of her age, any comment can not be taken as accurate and is only the client's opinion or estimate.

As far as a girl being portrayed as 'new' to the business, there is a thread for ladies who change agency or name for members to post in when they have information to share.

We are also aware that there is much backchannel information passed around. But there is more of a chance of this information being inaccurate as there is much less chance of it being verified by a large number of credible members. Not to mention the ease of spreading misinformation and unsubstantiated rumors. It also undermines the purpose of review boards in general by keeping valuable information from the general membership of the boards.

Review boards survive based on give and take. Those who only come to find information and never share only harm the MERB community as a whole.

Mod 8

Mod,

Under the circumstances I'd say MERB does a pretty good job, which is why I deleted my initial post....it was not my intention to tie you up in a discussion that we have had many time before.

But since you asked....

I suppose that at one time, I thought that a thread (similar to one I once started many moons ago) which tracked when agencies misrepresent girls' real ages, would have been useful....

My thinking was that such a thread would have minimized agency-client refusals, when agencies try to pass 28 year olds, with eight years experience in five different agencies, as 22 year olds who are "new."

However the back channels work just fine for that. And there really doesn't seem to be much demand among other hobbyists for that kind of information.

But tks. for the reply.

Ben

 

[Regular Guy]

Just a delicious thought!

Hello Regular Guy,

If Fred and/or the mods knew these people were the same who had a record of scamming then there is a problem to be accounted for. Did they know? Should they have known? Is the application process to advertise set up to investigate possible "scams"? Or, is investigation only part of the process when cause becomes clear? It would be wise to investigate every application, but would the information be available before there is cause? These people are probably not going to apply to advertise with a warning of their intentions. If one cannot identify who they are, by whatever means, then prevention before any episode is obviously very difficult. Hopefully the process will be fully explained along with the probabilities of prevention of abuse????

Curious,

Merlot

Actually Merlot, I think that what I was referring to was that once an agency received verifiable complaints as to whether they were scamming, they be offered a chance to come on and explain themselves. And if they did not have a leg to stand on then they be asked to withdraw from the board in every way including advertising. I did send an e-mail to one of the agencies in question and I invited them to join this thread. (Now I know we will be waiting for that visit into the next millenium). It was just a suggestion on my part which grew out of one thought. Why not reward the agency owners who have put so much work into customer satisfaction by supporting them through giving these scam artists the bum's rush. A lot of hard work behind the lines goes into making a top notch agency. Perhaps one of the goals of this board might be to raise the bar. The board sure as hell wouldn't get any complaints from me for turfing the scammers. You?

 

[bensonnobalia]

The total failure, on both boards I might add, of your previous attempt to make an issue out of such things should show you that what interests the members of MERB is the quality of service they receive*, and not details that cannot be verified

You are absolutely right. And much of the reason for that, judging from Merb's poll of how active most hobbyists are, is that --if I remember correctly -- very few hobbyists see more than one girl a month, and a huge percentage of respondents as is the case with many Merbitees, don't see girls at all.

For them, the chances of being sent girls that they have seen many times before, under different names and identities is next to zero. And even if they are sent those girls, most would never know the difference.

Benson, This business is about fantasy, not about reality. But even in the real world, do you know very many women who take kindly to discussions about their age or weight? The total failure, on both boards I might add, of your previous attempt to make an issue out of such things should show you that what interests the members of MERB is the quality of service they receive, and not details that cannot be verified by anyone without having access to an escort's personal information. Mod 8

Well, I wouldn't really describe it as a failure. I mean, during the eight months I have been active on MERB and the Blue board, I have had the chance to see pretty much almost all of the new girls that have been advertised by pretty all of the agencies on this board, in the catagories that interest me.

If MERB, or the blue board don't want me to share that information, in a special thread devoted to advertising anamolies, you are actually saving me much work and headache.

I short, I really don't have much to gain anymore from such information becoming public and a lot to lose, because as you well know, when a hot star arrives, once word gets out she is almost impossible to book.

****

Anyway, sorry to go on about this, as you well know, when we first started on this subject I felt very strongly about it, but frankly, over the ensuing months, I have to ceded almost completely to your point of view.

 

[Techman]

Anyone ever walk by a sleazy strip club and look at the hot pictures outside? Did you ever think there was a chance that those girls actually worked there? If you went in and ordered a beer only to realize that the closest any of those girls could get to the pictures outside was that they were the same species and sex would you ask for a refund for the cover charge and your beer? Would you go back to try again? Well from what I've seen on some of those b&s websites, it's more or less the same situation. If someone is stupid enough to believe that web models, playmates, penthouse pets and pornstars work for low budget agencies with no reviews, then they deserve to get ripped off.

Honestly now...I don't dabble in escorts but I know enough to know better than to deal with one of these agencies. Damn, some people have tried some of them more than once! With all the posts and reviews on merb you would think that hobbiests would know better and would at least ask a question here before taking the plunge. And so what if Fred Zed takes their money? Do you think it would really make any difference if he didn't? Just look in the Yellow Pages and see how many agencies there are in Montreal. How many of them are reviewed here on merb? How many of them are reputable? How many people find them there and then come here and complain about it after the fact? Would it really matter if they didn't have banners here? Think of it as a bit of payback because their advertising money is what pays the bills for this board so that we can all be here for free.

I find it amazing that people will spend days doing research on the net to try and save a few bucks on a 100$ purchase but won't think twice about spending a couple of hundred on an unknown escort agency with no research at all. If you think that you can get some hot international porn star for 200$ an hour you're an idiot and you deserve to lose your money.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot...I'm starting an agency and I'll have Angel Dark, Monica Sweetheart, Cherry Jul, Sylvia Saint and a bunch of other hot pornstars working for me at only 200$ an hour!!! Now I'll admit that they may have dyed their hair, gained a few pounds and speak like I found them on the street in the East End of Mtl, but I swear that it's really them! If you aren't happy you can refuse the girl for a small 50$ refusal fee to cover our driver's expenses.

Just call 1-800-IMA-IDIOT to book your date!

Techman

 

[bensonnobalia]

I find it amazing that people will spend days doing research on the net to try and save a few bucks on a 100$ purchase but won't think twice about spending a couple of hundred on an unknown escort agency with no research at all. If you think that you can get some hot international porn star for 200$ an hour you're an idiot and you deserve to lose your money.

Techman,

I got to take my hat off to you, this is the first intelligent post I have seen you make outside of the Winter Tire Thread.

I am the first to admit to this stupidity: I have been hobbying for more than 30 years, and only recently started to use the NET for local stuff.

Though I will say that sites like MERB, the Blue Board, Hals and Montreal Monk's sites, and the various advertiser forums have improved tremendously over the years.

So - veteran strip club goer -- be patient with us. We will come around to your wisdom...eventually.

Ben

 

[Techman]

Techman,

I got to take my hat off to you, this is the first intelligent post I have seen you make outside of the Winter Tire Thread.

I am the first to admit to this stupidity: I have been hobbying for more than 30 years, and only recently started to use the NET for local stuff.

Though I will say that sites like MERB, the Blue Board, Hals and Montreal Monk's sites, and the various advertiser forums have improved tremendously over the years.

So - veteran strip club goer -- be patient with us. We will come around to your wisdom...eventually.

Ben

Can't make a post without taking a shot at me can you? Oh well...what can I expect from someone who takes shots at MERB from the safety of the other board where the mods here can't do anything about it.

By the way, don't forget my 1-800 number. If you are the first caller I promise I will have a nice 18 yr old, never been touched virgin for you to break in. So fresh that she will have no one to compare you to so you will be sure of making an impression of being a super stud.

Operators are standing by!

Techman

PS: I quoted your post so that you can't pull your usual trick of posting and then deleting.

 

[oralover]

I believe there are enough agencies reviewed here to know which ones are the good ones ie the ones who have the real pictures,the real descriptions,and usually answer our complaints on merb We should not encourage the bs agencies.........They would simply go where they deserve broke...........