more misinformation about the sex trade

[2fast2slow]

http://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...al-formula-one-race-really-a-sex-trade-hotbed

seems to me there is misinformation on both sides in this article.

Stella says cops are posting fake ads??? really??

 

[Ducon]

Why not ? They should, to catch pedophiles.

And what "misinformation" is Stella saying here ?

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

Articles portions I have read today.


She pointed to a Global Alliance Against Traffic in Women study that found “no evidence to support the claim that large sporting events and trafficking for prostitution are linked.” Wesley noted that during last year’s Grand Prix, Montreal police “did not find any minors, human trafficking or organized crime. They just found women trying to make a living.”


“The goal is not to arrest sex workers,” Habel said. “The point is to get the people who exploit and traffic.” Police also check on the welfare of sex workers. “If they’re being exploited, we can give them the resources they need to get out.”

As for catching pedophiles, good for them.

 

[rollingstone]

La CLES “is not looking at targeting women” who sell sex. “Women are brought into prostitution and the sex industry because of the lack of choices — poverty, racism, and so forth,” Matte said.

“Prostitution is the expression of inequality in our society — economic, social. It’s not a question of whether we think women should be (selling sex) or not, it’s more a question of whether men should be allowed to buy sex or not. We want men to stop buying sexual acts.”

What a load of self serving crap. They are all too ready to point the finger at clients but forget that Montreal was the most prosperous city in Canada and among the most prosperous in North America. There was plenty of opportunity. What happened? They know - if you want to diminish the sex trade then provide opportunity. Time and again I have spoken to SPs about the lousy jobs they had, how unfair they were treated and how there were no opportunities out there. My heart broke again and again at tales of hard work going unappreciated - saleswomen not given any inventory to sell and still expected to meet quotas.

As for the second part saying that you are not against women selling but against guys buying - that is just overt hypocracy, the two are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Julius Ceasar]

Journalist want to scoop a story, even if they have to make one up.

 

[CLOUD 500]

What a load of self serving crap. They are all too ready to point the finger at clients but forget that Montreal was the most prosperous city in Canada and among the most prosperous in North America. There was plenty of opportunity. What happened? They know - if you want to diminish the sex trade then provide opportunity. Time and again I have spoken to SPs about the lousy jobs they had, how unfair they were treated and how there were no opportunities out there. My heart broke again and again at tales of hard work going unappreciated - saleswomen not given any inventory to sell and still expected to meet quotas.

That is the sad truth. These stupid politicians are not tackling the real issues which are socia economic reasons. Why do all these girls feel they need to turn to sex work and why do all these clients feel they need to buy sex? I have always said the poorer the economy gets the more sex workers we will see. Tackle the economic problems and there will be less sex workers. These politicians are too concerned with getting popular and votes. We live in a time of political correctness. They are giving the appearance that they are doing something but are doing nothing at all. War prisoners were able to escape why not free women cannot escape sex work? Another problem are these feminists. Feminists have ruined a lot of things. This bill C-36 for example is a very sexist law. In fact the clients are more victims then the girls themselves in reality. So many socially inept men and lonely men are getting ripped off by all these scam artists from backpage and the like. Bill C-36 is a sexist law designed by feminists.

 

[2fast2slow]

“There are lots of raids in massage parlours, lots of undercover cops who receive sex workers in hotel rooms,” said Sandra Wesley, Chez Stella’s executive director.

She said it’s traumatic for escorts to end up “face to face with a police officer who wants to know your name and question you and detain you until he can establish that you’re not a victim of whatever exploitation that he’s imagining you’re a victim of.”

Police also place fake ads on online classified sites offering sex. That makes clients reluctant to negotiate details before meeting''


I dont beleive police are placing ads...

it says nothing about nabbing clients of underaged sex workers...and they dont raid massage parlours (at least not very often). If Jasmine is still open, they are not raiding massage parlours.

 

[skhanyaguy]

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I dont beleive police are placing ads...
it says nothing about nabbing clients of underaged sex workers...and they dont raid massage parlours (at least not very often). If Jasmine is still open, they are not raiding massage parlours.

You're living on another planet there's a bunch of example of clients being charged under c-36 for responding to fake online ads, one which included a 15 years old customer in winnipeg. Now that they have taken off from crime the women who they deemed to be victims, police pride themselves in releasing the names and numbers of client busted. Like somebody else posted upstairs this is a sexist law that seeks to lampoon men who cannot get sex any other way than trough these kind of services.

 

[neverbored]

As I just put into another thread...

I'd say its due to Fed govt investing 100Million into a sporting event and having to jusitfy the move with some some morality angle. Notice how they are labeling it with : Funding comes with new measures to fight sexual exploitation during the race

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...prix-1.4154811


Remember what the Harper goverment answered to Quebec City when they wanted to attract a Hockey return: "There is no federal program in place to finance professional sports installations - not now, not in the last decade. Professional sports have been the responsibility of the private sector"

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canad.../16624741.html


lol I'm pretty certain this has absolutely nothing to do with prostitution

 

[gugu]

You're living on another planet there's a bunch of example of clients being charged under c-36 for responding to fake online ads,

What are they specifically charged of? Was any of this legal before C36? ALL fake adds are about minors and those arrested are told that the provider was a minor. I have not heard about LE posting fake adds in Winnipeg. Could you tell us about it

 

[neverbored]

What are they specifically charged of? Was any of this legal before C36?

I don`t think an active member has reported an actual incident.

Based on a technique used last year, LE posted ads for girls. When people texted in, they mentionned being under age (16) and if it was ok. Patrons that accepted and went got nabbed.

It got mentionned here, and the general concensus was good to remove that scum off the market...

 

[CaptRenault]

So much for myth of the F1 Grand Prix causing an explosion in "sex trafficking" and exploitation of underage girls. The police operation that took place during the recent GP entrapped only 1 guy from outside the Montreal area (and he is from Ottawa).. Kudos to the Gazette for reporting at least one accurate story about the sex industry for a change. The reporter who wrote the story, Paul Cherry, is a veteran crime reporter so he is probably less likely to be influenced by ant-prostitution propaganda.

Most of the men charged in sexual exploitation sting operation are Montrealers

http://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...-exploitation-sting-operation-are-montrealers
Published on: June 25, 2017 |
Paul Cheery
Montreal Gazette

Charges recently filed in connection with a Montreal sting operation aimed at preventing the sexual exploitation of minors during Grand Prix weekend offer little evidence the event is a draw for tourists seeking sex with teenagers.

Twelve of the 17 men charged with “communicating by means of telecommunication” to obtain sex with a minor and with attempting to obtain sexual services are from Montreal Island. During a press conference held on June 14, Montreal police Commander Michel Bourque said they used the Internet for their sting operation and the men “specifically sought the services of minors.”

During Grand Prix weekend, police said they were carrying out the sting operation during the first two weeks of June because the race attracts a large number of tourists and some seek to purchase sexual services. Only five of the men charged in the operation are from outside the city. Four of the men are from municipalities neighbouring or close to Montreal — Brossard, Châteauguay, Valleyfield and Deux-Montanges — and only one of the men is from outside Quebec — a man in his 30s from Ottawa who, like the others, were arrested and released on a promise to appear at the Montreal courthouse last week. Most, if not all, were allowed to remain released while their cases are pending after having agreed to follow a series of conditions, including they keep away from minors.

Charges filed against three of the 17 men indicate they solicited sex more than once between June 2 and June 9. The charges filed against the other 14 involve alleged solicitation that took place the weekend before the Grand Prix event, between June 9 to 11.

None of the 17 men have criminal records among Quebec provincial records. One of the men was recently charged with assault, but was acquitted.
The average age of the men charged is 39. The youngest is a 23-year-old from the South Shore, while the oldest is a 59-year-old man from a Montreal suburb. During the June 14 press conference, police said the men came from varied socio-economic backgrounds. The addresses listed on their charge sheets suggests the same as some of the accused reside at apartment buildings in some of the roughest neighbourhoods in Montreal, while others own homes in the suburbs.

 

[Dick Steele]

It is city politics to do this to show they are doing their jobs, especially just before an election. The newspapers are glad to sensationalize the story because they are dying a slow painful death.

 

[westwoody]

I have not heard about LE posting fake adds in Winnipeg. Could you tell us about it

I live in Winnipeg. It never happened.

LE do not post ads, they respond to ads.

Mostly they focus on street gangs that pimp girls, often underage, or runaways from foster care.
Women involved with street gangs have robbed and killed clients.
Sometimes they scope out a customer's house for later burglary or home invasion.

Several warnings about this on PERB in the Winnipeg section.

If any of you guys come here please check PERB first and be careful. Lots of reports of guys jumping clients in parking lots, hiding in stairwells of hotels, etc. Only deal with women who have good reviews on PERB. Stay safe.

 

[starry]

Some ladies enter the biz voluntarily because of economic necessity no doubt, and there is a separate and serious problem of coercive criminal sex trafficing, including the merchandizing of minors, but in my experience hobbying in Montreal the ladies are in it for other reasons, primarily simply because the money is good and fast. I've been given the exculpatory narrative "I did it because I had to" more than once but I don't buy it. How hard is it getting a job waitressing? I know some hard working waitresses who would never even dream of selling it.
Bottom line, my regular providers very definitely enjoy the sex, and the money is good,- and that right there is all you need to know about why they do it. So they are not being press ganged into doing a job they do not like. Of course they try to manage and optimize their work conditions by developing a client base of regulars who they like personally, or at least do not find objectionable. But the "little girl lost" stories I get sometimes are BS and if they were true I wouldn't be their client.
As for the Conservative Justice Minister who gave us the current law, I would string him up to a tree and put a lit bomb in his mouth.

 

[CaptRenault]

...As for the Conservative Justice Minister who gave us the current law, I would string him up to a tree and put a lit bomb in his mouth.

I agree that he and the PM he served, Harper, deserve our disapproval.

How do you feel about the current PM, Trudeau, who has the power to overturn the current law but who seems to like it just as much as his feminist supporters do? He revealed his true feelings about prostitution in 2014:

"For now, I'm just very, very mindful that the Supreme Court came down very clearly that the current approach is not protecting extremely vulnerable women and sex workers and we need to make sure that we are finding a way to keep vulnerable Canadians protected from violence that surrounds prostitution but also is intrinsic to prostitution," Trudeau said.


In French, Trudeau went further, saying it's important to recognize that "prostitution itself is a form of violence against women." He called for a "responsible, informed debate" on the issue.

 

[starry]

Capt. I am not a political animal (though Aristotle says we all are) but the PMs comments reek of political correctness and and of the kind that I thoroughly despise. The truth is not one of my SPs would be better off if I or any other of their good and respectful clients retired from hobbying.

 

[blkone]

To pretend like sex-slaves do not exist... is to put your head under the sand imo.

 

[gugu]

To pretend like sex-slaves do not exist... is to put your head under the sand imo.

What does this comment have to do with this thread? Are you saying some "sex slaves" are sold during the grand prix? If so and if it is so obvious, than tell us about it. What's a "sex slave" and where are they sold?