Multiple hour bookings

[sexdor]

I did a search on this topic with no result found, or I did not find it in any event

I am always surprised at agencies when you want to book 2 -3 hours and the agency gives little to zero discount.
I never book multiple hours on the first session but if the SP and I hit off I will in the future. For 2 , even 3 hour bookings, I ask to confirm the rate and pretty well all just take the usual hourly rate and multiply it by 2 or 3.
This makes zero business sense to me.
Look if you leave the SP with a client for 3 hours this frees up the driver and time wise why is good for everyone. The client is happy, most SPs would prefer to share a bottle of wine and stay in one spot then going from one place to the next.
For the greedy agency guy, its more productive too. By the time you pick the SP up at place A and drive to place B you usually kill 30 to 45 minutes!
So over a 3 hour booking you waste 90 minutes driving around. You could have given the client a 50 -60 discount and you would still be ahead.
Yet time and time again I ask the rate for a 2 or 3 hour booking and its just multiplied.
I have been hobbling for many years ( too many lol!! ) and it has rarely changed. So guess what , unless the agency gives me a discount I just cancel the 2 or 3 hours the day before and tell them to just book me for an hour.
Just stupidity, but hey these guys don't have MBAs !

 

[sexdor]

Basically yes and no.
If the agency won't give me a rate, thats right but sorry I either cancel altogether or reduce it to an hour.
I do this way in advance so no one looses. Usually days in advance, not one day.
24 hours would be a minimum and that would only be if I had just made the booking.
Tina you seem to miss the point entirely and are trying to deflect the topic by attacking me.
I see your incall rate two hours is simply double your one hour rate. guess I hit a chord, but in your case you are an indy and it is an incall rate so the business end of it does not apply to the point I was making.
reread the post.
Also your rates are quite reasonable so if I was to book with you, I never will now, then I would not expect any reduced rate for two hours.
When the agency charges $200 an hour then tells me $400 for 2 and $600 for 3 hours….forget it
this was my point from the start.
I don't intentionally make a booking knowing I will cancel. The agency knows this from the onset and is made aware I would like a reduced rate for multiple hours right from the start. When I ask for the rate for lets say 3 hours and its just one hour times 3 I clearly state I am not happy with the rate and can they do better. If they don't then yes I either cancel or drop it to one hour. If the agency tells me they will get back to me and then the next day says "sorry, its $xxx " I then say ok forget it or just an hour. This is all done way in advance.
This was the whole point from the start before we got side tracked.

 

[greenacres99]

Sexdor,

There are some agencies (and perhaps) Indies that charge MORE per hour for multiple hours and that makes no sense to me, as I agree that most factors favor longer meeting being easier on all staff, preparation, etc. Economies of scale and all that -- the second unit costs less to produce than the first... funny to think about in this specific context--I certainly don't think of women in that way! But I almost always go with multiple hours with some sort of cost saving on the second or third hours.

However, there's a well known agency that charges the usual $20 surcharge for a visit outside the downtown area. That is fine, but the surcharge is $40 for a two hour visit. It is still the same number of car rides out to the South Shore, right? Why does the surcharge for a two hour visit cost twice as much as for a one hour visit?

This will be only the second time, I have complained about this. I usually just choose agencies and Indies that offer multiple hour discounts because that is my preferred length of meeting. And, unless specified, I assume that the 2 hour rate is just the reg X 2. I do appreciate both agencies and Indies that either spell out all the options, or offer, the "discounts available for multiples.. card.

 

[Jaxan]

I don't think the analogies to other businesses apply here most of the time, even if it makes sound business sense.

This is just how most agencies currently operate. There are some that offer specials/discounts/repeat customer, etc. But in general, it's still a short term business. As in, how much can I earn today, since we never know what tomorrow will bring. Obviously, there are long term business goals too.

At the same time, there is an obvious reason you chose the specific girl you wish to see for multiple hours. For everyone one of your booking requests, there are probably 10 other guys who are thinking the same and a few of them would also consider a multiple hour session and maybe 1 of them wouldn't mind paying the same rate times however many hours. Agencies won't discount that rate, if someone is willing to pay it.

In the end, the #1 rule in business usually always is "supply and demand"...

 

[greenacres99]

I don't think the analogies to other businesses apply here most of the time, even if it makes sound business sense......
Agencies won't discount that rate, if someone is willing to pay it......
In the end, the #1 rule in business usually always is "supply and demand"...

Jaxan, I did not shorten your quote to mislead, I just wanted to address those bits...

I think the analogies do apply, but not for all agencies and providers. Some engage in "price discrimination;" some use a flat rate. I'm not saying either model is right, I just make my choice based on my preferences, and I get mildly offended by what I see as "questionable pricing." There at least 4-5 different ways that the biggest MTL agencies approach their pricing, and they are all analogous to other businesses:

GG uses their dominant market position to request a flat, high rate. I am not fanning the fire of GG controversy, but (while not quite a monopoly or protected utility) they are fast approaching Apple-levels, in which their products sell no matter what because the cachet is so high.
MSC uses prices discrimination through promos, multi-hour deals, and defined extras
MTLGFE uses price discrimination with their Wildcard pricing and differing 60/90/ and 120 minute rates. This agency, in particular, always seems to be rolling out some new promo in an attempt to find their best model.
Wildtime appears to use a flat rate for multiple hours, but offers among the lowest rates with most extras included. They also proudly takes the "Avis: we try harder" approach with their advertising, and offer different rates for different girls (seems to me if a girl hasn't worked for awhile, she comes back at a slightly lower rate)
Less fabulous agencies employ annoying upcharging for GFE and the like--another version of price discrimination. Heck bait n' switch is even analogous to other business models (often under-regulated, even criminal ones), but still other businesses.

Supply and demand is a bit misleading because most of us only see where the two curves intersect, but actually every point on the demand curve could be optimal --if the seller could correctly identify exactly what the customer is willing to pay and charge that individual that price. Hence price discrimination--coupons, rebates, bulk sales, loyalty programs, biding sites, etc. The buyers end up identifying the price they are willing to pay.......

 

[Jaxan]

No worries. I am not debating your choice or views on the topic. Just trying to put down some of my personal thoughts and reasons why some agencies won't offer discounts on multiple hour bookings.

For better or worse, it's their right to run their business anyway they see fit. Possibly they could profit more? If they offered discounts on multiple hour bookings? Maybe not? Can't really say without 1st hand knowledge accounting of the revenues.

And of course, it is our right to decide how/where/when we want to spend our hard earned cash. In between there somewhere, from agencies/girls and customers, pricing is dictated by the amount of supply and how much demand there is.

 

[greenacres99]

No worries. I am not debating your choice or views on the topic. Just trying to put down some of my personal thoughts and reasons why some agencies won't offer discounts on multiple hour bookings.

For better or worse, it's their right to run their business anyway they see fit. Possibly they could profit more? If they offered discounts on multiple hour bookings? Maybe not? Can't really say without 1st hand knowledge accounting of the revenues.

And of course, it is our right to decide how/where/when we want to spend our hard earned cash. In between there somewhere, from agencies/girls and customers, pricing is dictated by the amount of supply and how much demand there is.

It's not always just money either. Certain Indy's will state that they prefer a longer appointment. Their job satisfaction, if not sexual satisfaction, is important to them and they use their pricing to steer customers toward the type of meeting they prefer. (this could also eliminate the type of customers they want to avoid too). So, if it is true for some Indy's it must be true for some Agency girls. So it seems likely that at least some agencies feel their girls will be happier with longer meetings rather than many shorter ones, and they also construct a pricing structure that has incentives for the type of meetings they feel their girls want. It's not true in all cases, but it probably does occur.

 

[Jaxan]

Don't get me wrong, I totally understand the clients perspective. Have I booked multiple hour sessions? Yes. Did I wish for a discount? Yes. Did I get a discount? No. Did I still go through with the appointment? Yes...

I do think agencies could benefit from giving discounts for multiple hour bookings. If you take into account the downtime, travel and any other resources that are lost or not earning revenue due to those factors. And it can also garner more loyalty and return customers.

We also have to factor that this industry has so many "flavors" and services, etc... It would be impossible to cookie cutter some standard pricing for everyone. Also, we are not purchasing an item or product, as much as we are buying someone's time. So how we value someone else's time, does not dictate how each individual value their own time. For instance, some girls will price themselves out of the current price range, typically seen here. And they're reasoning "may" be that they don't want to see 10 clients a day, and they are fine with working seldomly. Again, it's perfectly within their rights, and it is within our rights to pay or not. That's why sometimes when I see reviewers complain about the pricing of any particular SP, I don't understand. Just chose not to spend your money there, and move on. No need to complain about something you have no control over.

Don't take my comments the wrong way please. I am not directing my comments to anyone in particular. Just generalizing my thoughts across the board.

 

[sexdor]

I do think agencies could benefit from giving discounts for multiple hour bookings. If you take into account the downtime, travel and any other resources that are lost or not earning revenue due to those factors. And it can also garner more loyalty and return customers..

Exactly,
I never make a multiply hour booking on the first booking with an SP. It is only after I have seen her at least once, usually twice and I ask her " would you like I book next time for 2-3 hours?" For the SP, she 99% of the time much prefers this, put it this way I never had any SP say no that I asked.
Its a win for everyone. The client is happy, the SP is happy and for the agency owner/operator its more productive for sure.
Its just such a no brainer to me. Instead they have to send the driver, pick the girl up, drive her to the other end of the city sometimes…over the course of an evening an SP is spending literally hours in the car getting driven around even if she is fully booked. Clients that are kept waiting from the same agency just dump that agency and we hear about it here on Merb, I am not talking the occasionally being late but a pattern of over booking and wasting everyones time.
This was my point from the beginning. Its so obvious yet the bookers miss the point.
here is an example : book an SP for one 4 hour booking x 200 an hour is $800, give the client an 150 discount, total $650
two bookings like this bring a total of $1300
Instead in the same 8 3/4 hour shift plus travel time of 45 minutes, lets even reduce that to 30 minutes ( just for an example)
so in 8 1/2 hours you pulled in $1300
Instead in the same 8 1/2 hour shift the booker only books single hours. The most he can book is 5 sessions for $1000.
He could book 6 sessions and be late for everyone totalling 9 hours and piss everyone off.
Realistically though it will be more than 30 minutes travel time so 5 bookings is the most.
Guess what, its $300 less for the night.
Good agencies and Indies get this and they are usually the agencies that last.
More importantly you retain the client and build return business so it is further return on your investment by offering a discount. When you soak every penny you can out of him/her the client knows this and the regular hobbyists like myself and others just use multiple agencies.
The agencies that treated me well I patronized, the ones who did not I just called randomly and only 1 hour bookings.
I hate talking about SPs like this but we all know there is a business side to it all and this is why most agencies and Indies don't last, they simply don't have any business sense at all.

 

[Jaxan]

I think there is 1 flaw and miscalculation in your math. You're assuming if you do not book the lady for multiple hours, no one else will either. I don't think you can assume every booking will be 1 hr each. Someone else will be willing to pay the price for multiple hours, even if you aren't. Otherwise, if no one would book multiple hours without a discount, then probably all agencies would give a discount...

The other question then becomes, if no discount is given, who benefits from the flat fee (times amount of hours)? I am guessing it's some combo of the agency & girl. The driver won't see any more benefit, if he drives a girl to a 1 hr meeting, or a 4 hr meeting... Am I wrong in this assumption? In any case, if the agency & girl both get more money, what would make them happier? Giving us a discount on a multi hour session? Or charging us the same rate and pocketing the extra money?

 

[sexdor]

I can make 10 more examples to adjust….. no really.
I think even using the above example though in real world the agency has one or maybe two drivers so quite often the SP has to wait from 10 to 30 minutes. I have lost track over the years how many times the session has been over and we sat around waiting for the driver for 30 plus minutes. It some cases 45 plus minutes. So over the course of an evening quite often the SP is in the car the vast majority of the time. Grand Prix weekend might be the exception So the example above 5 sessions is generous and more than likely only 4 with a $500 loss.

You can get bogged down in nitpicking the example or see the point.

 

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A couple other points which I think are being miscalculated is the split between provider and agency and the revenue model by which the provider compensates the agency.

If it is a flat split between the provider and the agency, then you have to keep in mind that you are not just asking the agency for a discount, you are also asking the provider for a discount. This means the agency needs to try and contact the provider, see if they will accept the discount, and then get back to you. Most bookers would rather just book the appointment and move on. They get enough "tire kickers" that tie up their time already, without trying to play phone tag with the providers and see if they are willing to take a discount. And if you are not asking the provider to take a discount, then you are asking the agency to take a pretty big hit in their fee. As @Jaxan mentions, the agency might just be looking at this and thinking, why offer a discount for a two hour appointment, when I will book two one-hour appointments and make more revenue?

But from some providers I have heard that there is no "split", instead the agency is compensated per service call. This means whether the provider is booked for one hour or for four, the agency is compensated at the same rate. Again In this scenario, there is zero incentive to the agency to book multi-hour appointments, in fact quite the opposite. It is to their benefit to book a higher number of calls.

@sexdor, I don't disagree with you at all. To me, multi-hour appointments make much more sense than one hour appointments. I much prefer the intimacy from such a schedule, and feel that everyone involved is much more relaxed if you have the opportunity to have some conversation before tearing off clothes and jumping into bed. All of my outcall bookings are always at least two hours just for that reason. From the outcall business model, it would be insane for the agency and provider not to look at the "long term". For the agencies, it is so much cheaper to book a repeat business than to locate a new customer. And from the provider side, longer bookings lead to a fixed client base, which, which leads to becoming an indy, which leads to a higher rate and more guaranteed revenue stream. (Not to mention that a booking with a repeat client has to be orders of magnitude safer).

Incall is a different story, and you can really see from most of the incall rates, that they are more about volume then trying to get longer sessions. A great example is a place like Montreal Asian Escorts (MAE) which charges $140 for hh appointments and $220 for hour appointments. I was always booking for 90 minutes, as I never like to feel rushed, and you always lose time waiting for the shower, taking the shower, drying off, and so on and so forth. You would think they would charge $330 for a 90 minute appointment ($220 per hour prorated), but nope, they just add the hh and hour fees together and charge $360 ($240 per hour prorated)! OK, so they have educated me not to purchase longer appointment. For them, it is more about volume, and that is fine. As @greenacres99 mentions, each agency attempts to attract customers and generate business through some degree by their pricing model.

 

[Roadtripr]

In the end, the #1 rule in business usually always is "supply and demand"...

That's Rule #1????? :nono:

Rule #1 is THE GOLDEN RULE.

What's the GOLDEN RULE? No. It is not "screw unto others as you would have them screw unto you". Oh, I mean "DO unto".

The GOLDEN RULE is: "He who has the GOLD makes the RULES".

And the Golden Rule does apply here. :nod: In this case, the GOLD is the the Ladies, of course. And the Agency or Provider makes the rules. As a client, it's take it or leave it. It is a Sellers market for the in demand ladies.

If you go to an Agency, and say they give you a $30 discount for multiple hours. Well, someone has to take the HIT for that. The ladies don't deserve to take less and you know the Agency is not.

It's not Rocket Science.

 

[Jaxan]

You can get bogged down in nitpicking the example or see the point.

I think I've expressed a few times I do see and share your point of view. But clearly, I failed at expressing my point.

Best of luck!

 

[Halloween Mike]

I think those multiple hours deal would had to be discuss with the provider first. Also providers are often for multiple hours encounters, problem is the agency booker still work during that time, so not sure he want to cut his part of the cake. Also drivers are paid extra for multiple hours also... because no matter if they drive or not, they have to sit in there car waiting... To them they are woking an 8 hour shift, no matter if they drive or not.

I guess the situation depends from agency to agency, if the booker is also the driver then yeah less driving is benefit, but if there is an operator, drivers seprate, then its a different story and if there is a boss behind it as well(operator not the boss) then its even worst as why would he wait to cut his share?

Don't forget people to always look the situation in every way possible... I know its easy to say "yeah but if i have sex for 90mins with her in a 3 hour meeting, she work less and should be happy and give me a discount" but then there is always the thing about compagnionship time... for her just sitting there listening to you may be work... so she does not feel she should be paid less.

Even if you look at the time saved in the car... to her maybe she want to do as much as possible, so she sees that time not wasted in the car just a possibility to add another 1 hour client on top of her nigth so she finish with more $...

 

[BookerL]

I think those multiple hours deal would had to be discuss with the provider first. Also providers are often for multiple hours encounters, problem is the agency booker still work during that time, so not sure he want to cut his part of the cake. Also drivers are paid extra for multiple hours also... because no matter if they drive or not, they have to sit in there car waiting... To them they are woking an 8 hour shift, no matter if they drive or not.

I guess the situation depends from agency to agency, if the booker is also the driver then yeah less driving is benefit, but if there is an operator, drivers seprate, then its a different story and if there is a boss behind it as well(operator not the boss) then its even worst as why would he wait to cut his share?

Hi all
It depends on many things! To be discussed with provider definitely
Varies from agencies to agencies!
And from client to client!
As for myself when I was Booker/Boss/Driver On certain nights I was so busy and all my girls where booked tight I was not offering any discounts my regulars new and accepted it !
On slower nights I was proposing multi hours packaging you need to keep your girls happy making the maximum cash possible If you don't someone else will !
When you make a deal who will be cut ????The SP not likely and since they get 60% sometimes more of the price client pays the margin is not wide to cover publicity cost photo shoots,videos,telephone lines, mobile Internet connections,Website ,off line marketing ,SEO strategies! Car replacement value ,gas ,maintenance ,insurance !
When you are not in the biz its hard to understand the complications of providing multi hour deals specialty with very popular girls because If one client does not take her another one will .I had girls that were so popular that they where always prebooked never last minute, so when you are a hot SP why cut ????
The situation must be analyzed each time!Deal or no Deal!!!
Best of luck
Happy hobbying
Cheers
BookerL

 

[Halloween Mike]

Totally agree with him on that... popular guys get pre-booked often, and then if you give discounts on less popular girls, you giving away that the said girls is less popular so the client is less likely to book her .. Not to mention it could made friction between the girls...

 

[Lily from Montreal]

I would like to bring a indy point of view about multiple hours meeting...

It is actually harder,not easier, to meet for longer then 2hrs.2h30 max...

To maintain the level of service a good or excellent provider (!) wants to offer unless it is with a gentlemen I've met before and enjoys very much the company the longest meeting I accept for a first meeting is 2hrs..,

For longer there has to be more then great sex in the meeting and that kind of chemistry is not always there,the sex can be great but there is no connection,it does happen...

Those can be enjoyable but I will not meet for longer than 2hrs, I am not a pornstar I will not do acrobatics in bed for 4hrs in a row,
if a pleasant conversation is lacking I would probably ran out of energy loll

I always joke that for longer than 3hrs my date has to feed me lol,chocolate is a great source of energy lol

 

[BookerL]

I would like to bring a indy point of view about multiple hours meeting...
It is actually harder,not easier, to meet for longer then 2hrs.2h30
I always joke that for longer than 3hrs my date has to feed me lol,chocolate is a great source of energy lol

Hi
great insight
Chocolate l "lover" LOL
BookerL

 

[BookerL]

Any other questions ?
Multiple hour bookings?
Sexdor?