New car buying secret.
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Bucky said:
Yup, I watched that. They followed a guy buying an Acura in the US and briging it back to Canada. He saved $17,000 dollars, AFTER paying GST, import duties, etc... Before getting plates here, the car had to pass inspection. That took 20 min and no mods were required on the car (heck, the car was BUILT in Ontario...). The price differences on luxury cars is ridiculous. Only problem is that the warranty does not apply in Canada. So if you have a problem, you need to take your car to the nearest US dealer.
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Btw, it is Oliver Wendell Douglas
Definition used in the US... (I guess in Canada it is easier to become urban)
metropolitan statistical area (MSA) must include at least:
-one city with 50,000 or more inhabitants or
-an urbanized area (defined by the Bureau of the Census) with at least 50,000 inhabitants and a total MSA population of at least 100,000 (75,000 in New England).
Population of Terrebonne: ~83 000
Population of Blainville: 46 493 (2006)
Population of St-Jerome: 63 729 (2006)
I was saying the cars that you were saying are in demand because they are:
- Relatively low cost
- Reliable
- Operation cost low
But also because it is the suburbs and I'd say most of the adult population has a car for himself.
On the other side maybe in the rural area, they will sell small cars lower but I doubt about it since the dealer will hold less stock of small cars so roughly the offer/demand ratio stays the same than everywhere else...
I know quite a few people.....................
..............who got a realy good deal in the sticks.
..............who got a realy good deal in the sticks.
Market will dictate future actions of car makers
I believe car manufactures will adjust in time to the reality of the North American market. Through consumers, negative publicity and even more important sales performance. With the daily news coverage of the strength of the Canadian dollar (or the weak US currency, take your pick) and the massive increase of sales of any products transiting by the US Canada borders, companies will in time review their strategies.
Car manufacturers with low market share will see this situation has an opportunity to capture share with disgruntled Canadian consumers over the actions of Honda, Toyota, GM and Ford. I've heard Chrysler is moving toward this strategy which is good for us.
I say if you can wait to change your car wait, extend your lease, this will put even more pressure on them, I drive a 2005 Nissan Murano, love it, lease is due in 2009 but was thinking of changing next year since Nissan will bring to market in April the 2009 Murano. I've done the test with Nissan's US and Canadian web sites, for the same config there is a $9300 difference at dollar parity
Now add to that the 5 to 8% difference in currency ! Too much of a difference for me. What would be funny is to see them block access to their US web site if the IP request comes from a Canadian IP addresses. I'm pretty sure they could do that if they want to put more vinegar in the already open wound of Canadian consumers.
I'm curious can some Internet savvy person can confirm this could be done?
They say US and Canadian models are different .... Yeah right! That's what I would also say also if I was in their shoes ....laughing inside of course.
Another thing consumer can do is to call them and tell them what they think of their actions or lack there of. I've called Nissan to voice my outrage, their answer was that the pricing is done to reflect market conditions in Canada and competitiveness against the competition. I hear that story everyday, what a pile of you know what. Luckely, the Nissan rep told me they honour their US warranty in Canada, for now. But Plattsburgh is 100 KMS (60 miles) from good old Montréal.
These executives will need to understand that we are in a North American market, not the Canada or the US the whole continent (guess I should add Mexico but their economy is not as strong) and if they wish to keep their global market share they'll need to revisit their thinking on market strategy.
This is an Open market my friends and market will dictate.
That's my $1.092896 US opinion
Goodnight all
I believe car manufactures will adjust in time to the reality of the North American market. Through consumers, negative publicity and even more important sales performance. With the daily news coverage of the strength of the Canadian dollar (or the weak US currency, take your pick) and the massive increase of sales of any products transiting by the US Canada borders, companies will in time review their strategies.
Car manufacturers with low market share will see this situation has an opportunity to capture share with disgruntled Canadian consumers over the actions of Honda, Toyota, GM and Ford. I've heard Chrysler is moving toward this strategy which is good for us.
I say if you can wait to change your car wait, extend your lease, this will put even more pressure on them, I drive a 2005 Nissan Murano, love it, lease is due in 2009 but was thinking of changing next year since Nissan will bring to market in April the 2009 Murano. I've done the test with Nissan's US and Canadian web sites, for the same config there is a $9300 difference at dollar parity
Now add to that the 5 to 8% difference in currency ! Too much of a difference for me. What would be funny is to see them block access to their US web site if the IP request comes from a Canadian IP addresses. I'm pretty sure they could do that if they want to put more vinegar in the already open wound of Canadian consumers.
I'm curious can some Internet savvy person can confirm this could be done?
They say US and Canadian models are different .... Yeah right! That's what I would also say also if I was in their shoes ....laughing inside of course.
Another thing consumer can do is to call them and tell them what they think of their actions or lack there of. I've called Nissan to voice my outrage, their answer was that the pricing is done to reflect market conditions in Canada and competitiveness against the competition. I hear that story everyday, what a pile of you know what. Luckely, the Nissan rep told me they honour their US warranty in Canada, for now. But Plattsburgh is 100 KMS (60 miles) from good old Montréal.
These executives will need to understand that we are in a North American market, not the Canada or the US the whole continent (guess I should add Mexico but their economy is not as strong) and if they wish to keep their global market share they'll need to revisit their thinking on market strategy.
This is an Open market my friends and market will dictate.
That's my $1.092896 US opinion
Goodnight all
It probably won't happen but governments should send a clear message: all warranties nust be respected, no matter the car's original purchase place. Those are the same cars, designed the same way, using the same parts. This is incredible! For Honda, a car build in Ontario that can't be plated there! Toying on details is dishonest.
Similar used to happen in Québec where car companies used to refuse honoring warranties once a car changed ownership, or they were charging ridiculous amount of money in order to "transfer" the warranty to the new owner. Chrysler was renound at this trick with theyr 7 years powertrain warranty of the day. The government finally passed a law forcing free automatic transfer of any manufacturer warranties, without penalties or deductibles, no matter how many times the vehicle changed ownership.
That's what's required now. Mr. Manufacturer who don't want to abide could loose his right to sell vehicules in Canada. Plain and simple!
Similar used to happen in Québec where car companies used to refuse honoring warranties once a car changed ownership, or they were charging ridiculous amount of money in order to "transfer" the warranty to the new owner. Chrysler was renound at this trick with theyr 7 years powertrain warranty of the day. The government finally passed a law forcing free automatic transfer of any manufacturer warranties, without penalties or deductibles, no matter how many times the vehicle changed ownership.
That's what's required now. Mr. Manufacturer who don't want to abide could loose his right to sell vehicules in Canada. Plain and simple!
The decrease seems to be on - Market dictates
Good news,
Was just on Nissan web site and the are now offer substantial rebates, except for the Rogue, to reflect the exchange rate. Nissan named this initiative "Nissan Canada Fair deal program" Catchy name, I like the sound of that.
http://www.nissan.ca/en/buying/specialoffers/default.asp
There is no issued time limitation on this program, the coming Holidays may be the true cause of this action since consumers has other expenses during this period. I guess time will tell.
Hopefully it will be there ans available for the new Murano 2009 due in Q2 2007.
Merci for your comment and insight Roland
Good news,
Was just on Nissan web site and the are now offer substantial rebates, except for the Rogue, to reflect the exchange rate. Nissan named this initiative "Nissan Canada Fair deal program" Catchy name, I like the sound of that.
http://www.nissan.ca/en/buying/specialoffers/default.asp
There is no issued time limitation on this program, the coming Holidays may be the true cause of this action since consumers has other expenses during this period. I guess time will tell.
Hopefully it will be there ans available for the new Murano 2009 due in Q2 2007.
Merci for your comment and insight Roland
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Dee,
That's not too surprising, Audi is a German manufacturer thus the car is imported in Euro's that is still high against the Canadian currency, but still. We're just a the beginning of the market adjustments. Curious, what's the price in the US ?
I guess you were looking at an A6 or A8 model, very nice car.
But $92,000 !!!! That would cut into your hobbying fund
Good for you if you can afford it, but i would wait before committing this hard earned money.
That's not too surprising, Audi is a German manufacturer thus the car is imported in Euro's that is still high against the Canadian currency, but still. We're just a the beginning of the market adjustments. Curious, what's the price in the US ?
I guess you were looking at an A6 or A8 model, very nice car.
But $92,000 !!!! That would cut into your hobbying fund
Good for you if you can afford it, but i would wait before committing this hard earned money.
Even though Audi cars are made in Germany but THEY ARE NOT IMPORTED to CANADA using Canadian dollars. They were imported from Germany to the U.S and then to Canada. Same as Porsches!
I've been telling Porsche Lauzon many years I am going to order my next 911 and Cayenne from the U.S. if they can't do anything about the rising Canadian dollars. Now I've just officially cancelled my order for the 911 I am ordering for next year (and tell my salesman to keep my $1500 deposit) and get them at Herb Chambers in Boston. The same car, same exact car is $30k cheaper (and by the time it's delivered it would be $35k cheaper because now the dollar is almost 1 to 1.1!) On top of that, dealerships in Canada does not move enough valumes to get enough spots in the production line. So the same car I am ordering would take 4 to 6 months in Montreal and 30 days with Herb Chambers in Boston... And Herb's even give discounts! which is unheard of from Porsche dealers in Montreal.
I AM NEVER GOING TO BUY ANOTHER CAR IN CANADA UNTIL THEY EVEN OUT THE PRICING and making it fair! (well, anything in this matter. my new ipod touch is US$389 from frys.com and it's 450+tax at futureshop.. go figure!)
I've been telling Porsche Lauzon many years I am going to order my next 911 and Cayenne from the U.S. if they can't do anything about the rising Canadian dollars. Now I've just officially cancelled my order for the 911 I am ordering for next year (and tell my salesman to keep my $1500 deposit) and get them at Herb Chambers in Boston. The same car, same exact car is $30k cheaper (and by the time it's delivered it would be $35k cheaper because now the dollar is almost 1 to 1.1!) On top of that, dealerships in Canada does not move enough valumes to get enough spots in the production line. So the same car I am ordering would take 4 to 6 months in Montreal and 30 days with Herb Chambers in Boston... And Herb's even give discounts! which is unheard of from Porsche dealers in Montreal.
I AM NEVER GOING TO BUY ANOTHER CAR IN CANADA UNTIL THEY EVEN OUT THE PRICING and making it fair! (well, anything in this matter. my new ipod touch is US$389 from frys.com and it's 450+tax at futureshop.. go figure!)
I don't know if this applies in Canada but it worked for me here in New Jersey. I went to the dealer on a rainy Tuesday late in the month and early in the day. The showroom was empty and I was looking for an new model (Toyota FJ Cruiser). I had about $6000 for a down payment and MOST IMPORTANT...I was ready to walk out if I couldn't get the deal I wanted.
Do your research in advance. Check the pros and cons. Decide what value the vehicle has for you and never, ever shop out of desperation. The experienced salesman can smell desperation the way a street-walker can smell a horny drunk. And yet (as mentioned earlier in this thread), it's the experienced salesman that can get you the best deal.
By the way, I love the FJ and MAYBE because I shopped before a lot of the reviews came out the dealer figured it would be in his best interest to roll a few out onto the road at a good price just to create some visibility. Normally I wouldn't recommend buying a "first generation" vehicle but I found out in advance that the FJ is constructed on the same platform as the tried-and-true Tacoma pick-up.
Do your research in advance. Check the pros and cons. Decide what value the vehicle has for you and never, ever shop out of desperation. The experienced salesman can smell desperation the way a street-walker can smell a horny drunk. And yet (as mentioned earlier in this thread), it's the experienced salesman that can get you the best deal.
By the way, I love the FJ and MAYBE because I shopped before a lot of the reviews came out the dealer figured it would be in his best interest to roll a few out onto the road at a good price just to create some visibility. Normally I wouldn't recommend buying a "first generation" vehicle but I found out in advance that the FJ is constructed on the same platform as the tried-and-true Tacoma pick-up.
More new car rebates.
I am wondering if there will be more new car rebates or are they all rebated out. I am going to wait at least till January.
I am wondering if there will be more new car rebates or are they all rebated out. I am going to wait at least till January.
Always negotiate a bottom line price.
I does you no good if you get a low price and then they add a few extra fees on top of your low price. Always get the price that you have to make your cheque out for. All inclusive, nothing extra to be added on.
I does you no good if you get a low price and then they add a few extra fees on top of your low price. Always get the price that you have to make your cheque out for. All inclusive, nothing extra to be added on.
This week I went to see a few car dealers, the salemen are all hungry sharks. These are a few tips to get your best price.
- I was asked to put my credit card up before I negociate, do not agree to this. It is just a tactic to keep you at the table.
- There is this method that is used by salesmen called the LOWBALL. This is when they give you a low and impossible price and then they load the contract up with other charges. You could do a reverse LOWBALL on them. What you doo is get all your prices and then take the lowest one to the dealer nearest you. Then when they tell you that this is an impossble price you negociate up a few dollars at a time. That way you get the best price.
- PDI ( pre-delivery inspection ) PDI prices varry from dealer to dealer, at the last minute you ask them what PDI is. They will tell you that it is to check the car, wash the ar and make sure it is in good shape before it is delivered to you. You can tell them that the PDI is lower at another dealer and negociate 2-3 or $400 off you price.
- Always negotiate a price with everything in. No extre charges for tire disposal tax, air conditioning tax, PDI, Transport, or any other charges. That way you get no surprises.
- When negociating, start off by telling them that you have to leave soon. ( You have to pick up your kids or wife. There is someone waiting for you. That way the salesman can not keep you at his desk.
- No deal is good till the sales manager agrees. This week I saw a saleman that gave me a price that he got from the manager for $3000 of the $39,800 price of the car. When I told him I was not ready to by today he lowered it to $5000 off, then $7000, off and later $8000 off. He was not authorized to do this, if his manager has not signed on.
Even with teh current rebates, it seems that the showrooms are full of shoppers and no buyers. In the almost 2 hours I was at the dealers the sales manager was only making a price for me. No one else was even seriously negociating.
- I was asked to put my credit card up before I negociate, do not agree to this. It is just a tactic to keep you at the table.
- There is this method that is used by salesmen called the LOWBALL. This is when they give you a low and impossible price and then they load the contract up with other charges. You could do a reverse LOWBALL on them. What you doo is get all your prices and then take the lowest one to the dealer nearest you. Then when they tell you that this is an impossble price you negociate up a few dollars at a time. That way you get the best price.
- PDI ( pre-delivery inspection ) PDI prices varry from dealer to dealer, at the last minute you ask them what PDI is. They will tell you that it is to check the car, wash the ar and make sure it is in good shape before it is delivered to you. You can tell them that the PDI is lower at another dealer and negociate 2-3 or $400 off you price.
- Always negotiate a price with everything in. No extre charges for tire disposal tax, air conditioning tax, PDI, Transport, or any other charges. That way you get no surprises.
- When negociating, start off by telling them that you have to leave soon. ( You have to pick up your kids or wife. There is someone waiting for you. That way the salesman can not keep you at his desk.
- No deal is good till the sales manager agrees. This week I saw a saleman that gave me a price that he got from the manager for $3000 of the $39,800 price of the car. When I told him I was not ready to by today he lowered it to $5000 off, then $7000, off and later $8000 off. He was not authorized to do this, if his manager has not signed on.
Even with teh current rebates, it seems that the showrooms are full of shoppers and no buyers. In the almost 2 hours I was at the dealers the sales manager was only making a price for me. No one else was even seriously negociating.
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I have not made the plunge yet...But a friend did.
Just to let you guys know what is possible out there when buying a car these days. A freind of mine negociated a good price for his car and then he asked for 4 new rims for his winter tires ( manditory next year in Quebec ) and then he asked to have included a extra 2 years of warranty coverage for his car. ( total of 5 years ) He did not get this included in the price but he got the extra coverage for half price.
Just to let you guys know what is possible out there when buying a car these days. A freind of mine negociated a good price for his car and then he asked for 4 new rims for his winter tires ( manditory next year in Quebec ) and then he asked to have included a extra 2 years of warranty coverage for his car. ( total of 5 years ) He did not get this included in the price but he got the extra coverage for half price.
I had to revive this old thread to pass along a tip.
I was coming to the end of a lease on a high end vehicle (November was lease end) so I started shopping around for a new car a few weeks ago. I went into a dealership that was deeply discounting some of the 2009 models which are now on the way out with the 2010 models coming in. Figured I could get a good deal since I heard they were discounting the 2009 models.
So I went in there and feigned casual interest in the 2009s and asked about the 2010 models. The aggressive salesman who greeted me told me he had 3 or 4 new 2009 models still on the lot. I told him how could I do a deal on one of those models when I still had 2 more months on my high end vehicle lease.
He then floored me with an offer: he told me he would pay off the lease on my existing vehicle (2 monthly payments totaling $1320) if I did a deal with him on one of the 2009s in his lot.
I was stunned. I took the offer to a few other dealerships and they would not match it. I had already made up my mind but I was curious if anyone would match..
So I went back and we did the deal. It's in writing, they are paying off my old lease (just the lease payments, they don't assume the taxes or any damages or the disposition fee), I put down $3000 and now I am driving around in my new 2009 leased vehicle. I turned in the 2007 model I was leasing since 2006 and it more or less passed its inspection, with one item I am disputing: they claim I did not service the vehicle one time and are assessing a $200 charge for missing the servicing. The fact is my check oil light went on ONCE after the vehicle went out of warranty, but I had an oil change at a local Jiffy Lube and not at the dealership, and have the paperwork to back it up. So those fuckers are going to have to sue me for that $200, and when they do, I will file a counterclaim under the Connecticut Unfair Trade Practices Act. They have no idea who they are dealing with, LOL.
Now is the time to buy/lease on the 2009 models, which are on their way out. Many dealerships are offering steep discounts and by the end of September the 2009s are likely to be gone, so do your deals now!
I was coming to the end of a lease on a high end vehicle (November was lease end) so I started shopping around for a new car a few weeks ago. I went into a dealership that was deeply discounting some of the 2009 models which are now on the way out with the 2010 models coming in. Figured I could get a good deal since I heard they were discounting the 2009 models.
So I went in there and feigned casual interest in the 2009s and asked about the 2010 models. The aggressive salesman who greeted me told me he had 3 or 4 new 2009 models still on the lot. I told him how could I do a deal on one of those models when I still had 2 more months on my high end vehicle lease.
He then floored me with an offer: he told me he would pay off the lease on my existing vehicle (2 monthly payments totaling $1320) if I did a deal with him on one of the 2009s in his lot.
I was stunned. I took the offer to a few other dealerships and they would not match it. I had already made up my mind but I was curious if anyone would match..
So I went back and we did the deal. It's in writing, they are paying off my old lease (just the lease payments, they don't assume the taxes or any damages or the disposition fee), I put down $3000 and now I am driving around in my new 2009 leased vehicle. I turned in the 2007 model I was leasing since 2006 and it more or less passed its inspection, with one item I am disputing: they claim I did not service the vehicle one time and are assessing a $200 charge for missing the servicing. The fact is my check oil light went on ONCE after the vehicle went out of warranty, but I had an oil change at a local Jiffy Lube and not at the dealership, and have the paperwork to back it up. So those fuckers are going to have to sue me for that $200, and when they do, I will file a counterclaim under the Connecticut Unfair Trade Practices Act. They have no idea who they are dealing with, LOL.
Now is the time to buy/lease on the 2009 models, which are on their way out. Many dealerships are offering steep discounts and by the end of September the 2009s are likely to be gone, so do your deals now!
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Talk about desperate for a sale wanting to pay the last few payments of your pricy lease.
The only time a lease is good IMO is if you make alot of $ or do alot of driving.
As for buying a new car, dont find its worth it nowadays when you can get one used
2 or 3 years old with less or avg mileage for about half the original price. All thats missing
is the new car smell and if you like that there's air fresheners for it.
The only time a lease is good IMO is if you make alot of $ or do alot of driving.
As for buying a new car, dont find its worth it nowadays when you can get one used
2 or 3 years old with less or avg mileage for about half the original price. All thats missing
is the new car smell and if you like that there's air fresheners for it.
Well, I am averaging about 20,000 miles per year on my vehicles. So leasing makes sense for me. In addition to that, with a lease, you walk away at the end of the lease, and you don't have to make much of a down payment, if any, up front.
With used cars you are buying as is, with weak or no warranties. Let the Buyer Beware, or Caveat Emptor as we attorneys would say. The used car lemon laws are pretty weak and give you limited coverage. I have taken more than a few calls from potential clients complaining, crying and whining that they were sold lemons and most of those cases I never took. I never had a client complain about a new vehicle except once with a Range Rover. Those vehicles are well known to have defective electrical systems and that is what the problem was there.
With a new car there is a solid warranty. BMW warrants their vehicles for 50,000 miles, Honda for 36,000, but Hondas usually will not break down. I will keep getting new cars every 3 years when my lease runs out.
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