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sambuca

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First, can you show me where I blamed New Zealand? I posted " governments " most of them.

If you take your words almost exactly and put them in the mouth of the NZ terrorist, you might see the problem.

NZ Terrorist:".....if governments did not cave to the demands of Muslims and bend over backwards to please them perhaps [ I ] would be a little less vengeful."

SolTeeNutz, your words provided a good juxtaposition to American politicians blaming Trump's rhetoric. Basically, I cannot support either your statement or their statements. I have said before that there is a global backlash against immigration in Western Democracies, but I don't think the aftermath of the massacre is the time to discuss those policies.
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Look behind you.
^^^^^^ Do you need a Kleenex now?
What is the allotted mourning time to post something? Giving a view on a board like this is ot like posting in a national paper. Some of you should just stick to threads like How to deal with guilt and shame, easier on your system.
Again, my post was to point out trigger points of extremists, governments are one of them, they are used by groups to trigger people, social media is another, the list does go on.
I have a tee time in 2 hrs, love to chat more but need to wash my balls.
 

Halloween Mike

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The problem with Internet and especially social media in general is that it sadly create monsters like that. I know i will sound like one of those old fools saying "video games are responsible for making kids violent" wich i always tough was dumb but hear me out on that.

My personal politics are very "unortodox" i would say. I identify with some politics to both the left and the right, as well as some more centrist as well. One of the issue for instance i am thorn is abortion. Usually you got the pro-choice and pro-life and thats it. But me, i feel its terrible to deny the life of a would be kid yet at the same time even with adoption being a thing, the women still have to spend 9 months with the baby inside them, give birth to it and then it must be much more heartbreaking to give away a child that you see its little smile and hold in your arms. But what if you just can't be a mother right now? But what if you give it to adoption and 5 years later you would want it back and can't? They just don't want to go trough all that and i understand it 100%. My point is that in this debate i lean on neither side... Both sides have valid argument, so for that im centrist i guess. Then i am completely anti-guns wich would make this point of view far left and on the other side i am very strick when it comes to our borders and immigration, so for that i am far right?

So you see how this is confusing lol.

That being said lately on twitter i try to avoid as much politics as i can. I try to follow sex workers and entertainement stuff only, like gamers, game developers, movie related stuff, wrestling and such, all stuff i like but even THAT bring politics. Those peoples sometimes like far left stuff that i think to myself "how can they like this... cmon" and it triggers me. Other times its even the trend/headlines lol, like today i was reading JK Rowlings is talking about certain characters being gays but then you have the gay community getting offended because in the books themselves they don't show obviously enough that they are. :rolleyes: . It just annoys me so much. I am all for same sex marriage and relation, what you do in your bedroom/life is none of my business, but i don't feel it need to be showed in just about everything even when it does not benefit the story just to show "forced diversity". So sometimes i will post a little something to say "chill out" and you have no idea how they get offended so quick and rampage me from replies calling me homophobes and such..wich i am so not lol. oh boy.

All of what im saying right now is to illustrate how social media can be such a cesspool at times, and even when you want to avoid seeing the shit you don't want to see, you end up seeing it anyway. Twitter is more notorious on that, i find that you can filter much more easy the content on facebook.

Speaking of facebooks, there some groups (that i joined willingly i must precise) on sensitive matters, im not sure i can talk it too much openly here, so ill keep it vague but recently i found out that in one of those groups there some very twisted and sick peoples wich scared me. Those peoples could very well become extreminist. I reported there post to facebook, hell for a time i was tempted to report it to the police (yeah it was scary) and honestly i wanted to leave that group immediately cause thats not what i signed for when i joined (other groups on the same subject are much much more moderated and wish no harm to anyone). I don't wish harm to anybody myself, i don't even hurt insects .. But i dunno if i should stay in (until they realize and kick me) and just report them as much as i can or even screenshot the worst stuff to send to the police if i feel it may endanger peoples.

The worst thing is that some of them have kids and you look there FB profiles and they look like your average family father or mother... They don't have the nazi flag hanging behind them with guns or any of this stuff...

So yeah social media is scary and im sure it help create monsters. Some of those peoples are mentally unstable for sure, but maybe if social media wasn't around they wouldn't ever have been triggered the same way...

I love internet, its a fantastic tool, and it can be use as much for entertaining as to share the "good" around the word. But it can used to share hate and evil as much, wich i find terrible. I seen and heard so many things since i actively use twitter and got into politic stuff that i truly wish i could unsee. Its good to know more about the word and open yourself to cultures and stuff, but the bad stuff is ... so bad, i wish i didn't heard about it and would be left ignorant.
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Salty I bet at heart you are a real softy.


I always speak my mind, it gets me in trouble the odd time but hey. Someone I know once told me " Take this as a compliment, You are the nicest asshole I ever met ".
 

Jeremy Clarkson

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The prime minister of NZ has said there will be changes to the gun laws. Being that a vast majority of the country is bush I doubt it the laws for long guns will change much. Just as Canada has not outlawed the Mini 14 because the Inuit need one for survival.
 

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The Inuit have survived for ten thousand years before Europeans introduced them to guns 400 years ago.
 

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Bred Sob

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I like their explanation that banning of the book is done in the name of inclusion. Orwell would have approved.
 

Valcazar

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^^ Good piece laid_back_alex. It's a serious problem. (I like they mentioned Camp of the Saints.)

And I see Peterson's book was off the shelves for less than a week. So there was an attack, there was social media circulating linking him to recent Australian Islamaphobia - they took it off for a bit, looked into it, and put it back. ORWELL!!!

*rolls eyes*
 

sambuca

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When was the last time Washington or Ottawa commanded that a book be taken off the shelf?
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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^^^^^ When was the last time non terrorist Muslims held a candlelight vigil for slain Christians or held a march for them perhaps dragging a cross behind them?
 

Bred Sob

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And I see Peterson's book was off the shelves for less than a week. So there was an attack, there was social media circulating linking him to recent Australian Islamaphobia - they took it off for a bit, looked into it, and put it back. ORWELL!!!

*rolls eyes*

If you are done rolling your eyes, perhaps you could take a few seconds to actually read my "Orwell" remark that has apparently caused your reaction of righteous indignation. It (my remark) was not referring to the book's removal itself, but to the exquisite justification of that removal given in the article I linked in my post.

Jess Berentson-Shaw, of thinktank The Workshop, said it was positive if businesses in New Zealand were showing that they valued an inclusive society "and are prepared to follow that through".

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/111472744/whitcoulls-removes-jordan-petersons-books-from-sale

Something straight out of the Ministry of Truth. Please let me know if you need further explanations and quotes from the Orwell's novel.
 

Valcazar

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When was the last time Washington or Ottawa commanded that a book be taken off the shelf?[/QUOT

No idea but also don't know why that's relevant? Wellington didn't command the book be taken off the shelf. (At least not in any news story I read.) This would be more like Amazon deciding to pull a book from its catalogue. Last time that happened was what, two or three weeks ago?

^^^^^ When was the last time non terrorist Muslims held a candlelight vigil for slain Christians or held a march for them perhaps dragging a cross behind them?

Not sure what the cross thing is all about (is cross-dragging a thing that happens?) Last time I remember there being a big deal about muslims showing up when christians got targeted was probably that French priest a couple of years ago? There were those muslims in Pakistan helping to rebuild a Christian church in their town that some radicals had firebombed or something. Stuff like that.

@Bred Sob - I stand by the eyeroll. Guy from a thinktank thinks taking a book off the shelf when it may have been linked to the current social climate of a shooting. I've read Orwell, please feel free to explain how this is leading to MiniTru.
 

Bred Sob

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@Bred Sob - I stand by the eyeroll. Guy from a thinktank thinks taking a book off the shelf when it may have been linked to the current social climate of a shooting. I've read Orwell, please feel free to explain how this is leading to MiniTru.

Everything is 100% factually correct, as usual. Here you can find a portrait of that "guy from a thinktank":

https://www.victoria.ac.nz/igps/about-us/staff/senior-associates/jess-berentson-shaw

If you don't see how banning a book of an author you don't agree with and explaining that it is done in the name of an inclusive society is something straight out of "1984", perhaps it is time to reread the novel.

And, by the way, the formula "it may have been linked" to <quelque chose> is very descriptive indeed. Of course, it may have as it has words and sentences printed on paper. And similarly, any adult guy (with a possible exception of the one from the thinktank above) may have been guilty of rape, as he possesses the requisite tool.

Unfortunately (for you and Jess B-S from the think tank, whose specialty -- ironically -- is "implementation of evidence-based policy"), the book in question, as hungry101 has already pointed out, has nothing to do with Muslims or Islamophobia. Go figure.
 

sambuca

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As a matter of relativity, there were some mass murders of Christians in the Southern islands of the Philippines shortly after the NZ massacre. The Press seems to be bored with stories of Filipinos being killed by Muslim terrorists.
 
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