On the Road: Travels with SL

[EagerBeaver]

I'd recommend La Belle et La Bete, the 1946 Cocteau version. Not only would it be appropriate, but it's one of the best movies ever made, and in French to boot.

I think the lady in question would be more apt to enjoy the movie "Yentl" with Barbara Streisand, but not really sure.

Hey SL did you check out the Brooklyn Diner on Columbus Circle? I can still taste that succulent medium rare Cuban Skirt Steak I ate there. It was even better than the Cuban Skirt Steak I had in South Beach at a Cuban restaurant run by Cuban exiles. They marinate the steak in lime juice and some spices that I could not identify, and it was so YUMMY! A culinary orgasm! Also don't forget dessert when you go there. Please report back and let me know how it was.

 

[StripperLover]

Completion of Day 2

After leaving the sc, my old friend & I finally met & I was pleasantly surprised to find that she’s still as attractive as I remember her to be with a few extra pounds, which is all ok, as her face is so beautiful that I wasn’t too fixated on her bod for the moment & I was just glad to see her.

We went for a drink in some bar on the upper east side because the bar that we both wanted to meet at (from our past) didn’t exist anymore. There was a lot to catch up on after so many yrs so we both spewed our respective life’s events out over the next couple of hours. Somewhere in there she told me that she was single as a result of a bitter marriage breakdown & that her babysitter was going to have to sleep over as it was too late for her to go back home when she returned. I knew that I had to make a move soon or just go back to my hotel.

As she was talking, I leaned over & planted one. The funny thing was that when we knew each other all those yrs ago, I had never touched her & always wanted to badly. We both wanted to continue this somewhere else & we didn’t have a place to go so another hotel room was needed, off we went to get another room.

A fun filled rest of an evening was had but both of us had to at some point scurry of in our respective directions & obligations. After saying good bye, I realized that this was fun, to say the least but that we most likely would not see each other again, as it was nice to catch up on each other’s lives but that in reality there wasn’t any mutual connection or chemistry past what had just occurred.

 

[The Wizard of Oz]

Lovely little chapter. I was finishing reading it and suddently realize it was only a post on the board.
Nicely written.

 

[StripperLover]

Completion of Day 3

Went for dinner on the final evening of our journey & returned to our hotel, both quite exhausted agreeing that we would leave early in the morn as the St Patty’s Parade was going to block off the Manhattan to a major extent.

Headed out early in the morn & at the same exact point Harriman Exit on 87 but this time on the northbound side, there was an accident causing 4 fatalities & we were stuck inching along a 4 mile stretch which took 1 ½ hours to pass.

We returned home last evening & overall it was a great trip by yours truly.

 

[General Gonad]

Completion of Day 2

As she was talking, I leaned over & planted one. The funny thing was that when we knew each other all those yrs ago, I had never touched her & always wanted to badly. We both wanted to continue this somewhere else & we didn’t have a place to go so another hotel room was needed, off we went to get another room.

A fun filled rest of an evening was had but both of us had to at some point scurry of in our respective directions & obligations. After saying good bye, I realized that this was fun, to say the least but that we most likely would not see each other again, as it was nice to catch up on each other’s lives but that in reality there wasn’t any mutual connection or chemistry past what had just occurred.

SL,

That is great, I can only imagine the spontaneous lean over to kiss her. It is nice to catch up with old friends but I understand what you mean by the lack of a chemistry. It happened to me once with an old girlfriend but there was no 'real' connection.

Have fun and stay safe,

GG

 

[StripperLover]

Epilogue

Where did I say or infer in anyway that I was with someone who I paid to be with me ?

I wasn’t & to be frank, I would not ever pay for someone’s company past a brief sexual encounter.

To pretend that an SP was anything more than an employee past a brief sexual encounter is more than delusional.

Yes there are inevitably going to be some SP’s that one gets along better with, but anyone who states otherwise in terms of more, from her, when paying her to be with them is not just lying to you, the reader(s) but much worse & more damaging, is the lie he tells himself that she cares in anyway more for you the john than any other john. Sure she cares, we’re all caring human beings, for the most part. Lie to yourself during the encounter all that you want to but when she walks away, it’s over & the temporary delusion that you just paid for is just that, temporary.

The rampant delusion that I’ve been reading lately in some threads, is more than brutal & the selective memory of much of what has occurred in the past is of equal blindness.

How some people can be fooled one day & not question their own capabilities to judge is just plain stupidity

Such instances will be revealed & talked about in my exposee, which is moving along.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I must agree with you on that point....i've never agreed or have paid anyone to spend time with me except for being in the bedroom and hopefully (and probably) pleasuring one another. I've been offered to go on supper dates in the past by some of the ladies....i always accepted unless she expected to be paid for it. Of course, the lady and i would know one another well....it wasn't our first encounter, let's put it this way. I'd be honest with her...i'd tell her i'd love to go eat with her, pay for the meal, drinks, etc...and then go back to the room together. However, i've never paid for someone to spend platonic time with me and i wasn't about to start. Some declined my counter-offer, others agreed that i was right. I don't blame some of the ladies to charge for their time...since there is a sucker born every minute. Plus, if they've never met the person before and no prior bond was created, well....i'd tell them to go ahead and charge. Well, from my own point-of-view, i would never want to have dinner with someone i've never met....i need to be comfortable and at least have a feeling of friendship circulating in the air. Others would beg to differ, and it's their prerogative.

 

[General Gonad]

On delusion

Epilogue

Yes there are inevitably going to be some SP’s that one gets along better with, but anyone who states otherwise in terms of more, from her, when paying her to be with them is not just lying to you, the reader(s) but much worse & more damaging, is the lie he tells himself that she cares in anyway more for you the john than any other john. Sure she cares, we’re all caring human beings, for the most part. Lie to yourself during the encounter all that you want to but when she walks away, it’s over & the temporary delusion that you just paid for is just that, temporary.

The rampant delusion that I’ve been reading lately in some threads, is more than brutal & the selective memory of much of what has occurred in the past is of equal blindness.

SL,

I reluctantly agree and disagree with you. Let me explain. There is a very fine line between fantasy and reality. It is extremely easy for many of us to "delude" ourselves into all sorts of things. This is especially true for the weak and vulnerable members who think that a lady will actually fall in love with them because she agreed to take a trip with them (I am not talking about Regnad).

It is not that these ladies are incapable of falling in love - far from it - it is that they are working hard to deliver a fantasy to you with no strings attached. While some clients experience moments of temporary amnesia, all SPs are fully aware of the nature of the relationship at all times. They may feel more comfortable with some clients and share a little more with them but they are fully cognizant that this is their livelihood and consequently, their time is their money. In other words, unlike some clients, SPs will typically not delude themselves into thinking that genuine love can develop from these encounters.

Having said this, I find your statement is way too harsh. What many of you, including Oliver, call "delusional," I prefer to think of as "therapeutic." Everyone on this board needs a break from life and deserves moments of utter bliss with a beautiful lady. Some people have the means to take SPs on trips. Others enjoy an hour session.

For me, what matters most is the intensity of the encounter, not the length. This intensity is on a physical, intellectual, psychological and spiritual level. All of them are equally important to me. You do not need a trip to achieve this intensity and it does not always happen. I have shared a lot with some of the ladies I met and maybe I am deluding myself into thinking they care but you know what, I don't care. They might turn around and spread my secrets to the world or they might make fun of me to other SPs but I simply do not care. As long as I was a gentleman and as long as I could leave knowing that I treated them right.

I honestly enjoy making the women I am with happy. It is this ability that I have cultivated that I think is worth maintaining. It is the selfless pursuit of spreading happiness to all people around me. This is not delusional. This is my inner zen or equilibrium.

I enjoy all my sessions because I share a lot about myself and I focus on making THEM happy. In a way, it is selfish because it is innately therapeutic to me. But I can honestly say that there is no better feeling in the world than having an SP tell you that she really enjoyed the session because she never met someone who was genuinely warm and sensitive and able to share a lot with. There are many cynics on this board who will scoff at this, dismissing it as pure crap, but I choose to believe it and that's all that matters.

Remember, there is also a fine line between delusional and therapeutic...

GG

 

[StripperLover]

General Gonad,

All that matters is the truth.

Fantasy is another issue altogether.

 

[eastender]

Diogenes the Cynic

General Gonad,

All that matters is the truth.

Diogenes was the original cynic who believed that people lived lives dictated by the laws,rules,customs and taboos of society.Hence no one was capable of real truthfulness or honesty.His personna was a mix of humour,rudeness,disrespect and confrontation, often directed at authority.Do we know anyone on this board who continues this tradition?

Much of Greek philosophy is based on the study of the paradoxical.While Diogenes,being a cynic, could not believe that such a person existed he continued his search.The motives for his search could be debated.Diogenes and his father had been caught embezzling from the Corinthian mint so it cannot be argued that Diogenes himself had been really honest.Perhaps his motive was that regardless of their flaws people are entitled to a fresh start. In the alternative going to the other end of the spectrum maybe it was a basic search for truth and honesty.

Regardless of the interpretation Diogenes took the path that was the most attractive one for him.

 

[eastender]

Delusion/Illusion

I agree with this completely, SL. However, you don't seem to know the difference between delusion and fantasy. Delusion, agreed, is dangerous; fantasy is fun. Note, that at Disneyworld, they do not have a Delusionland area; they do have a Fantasyland.

This is a long standing debate.Reduced to the basics delusion is internal,self-induced.Illusion is external,produced by others or a phenomena of nature such as a straight stick appearing bent when submerged in water.
By definition no one could build a Delusionland for others.It would be an oxymoron.

 

[Gentle2her]

The ones i feel sorry for are the ones that do this sort of thing because they mistakenly believe the sp feels something for them that is just not there. There are some that do this sort of thing that can afford it and they just want the company, and they have no false illusions.

Exactly. There's nothing wrong with paying for dinner if done with the right reasons. The idea behind having dinner with a lady should be to make her (and you) comfortable. There's nothing like a good session of wild sex happening after a nice dinner. You are relaxed, the girl is relaxed, both have had time to know each other. We are talking about human beings here, not sex robots. So you think you pay for dinner? Not really, it's all part of the whole evening experience IMHO.

Gentle

 

[Gentle2her]

I suspect that there are, among us hobbyists, quite a few that have never had or have not had for decades a healthy relationship with a real live woman and, hence, are not able to see these girls/women as any more than sex objects. I think that sad. While I engage their time, certainly, for sexual favors, I really enjoy the human contact that I make. Most of the young women I've met in Montreal are genuinely interesting people and the ones that I've gotten to know beyond the bedroom I've found genuinely fascinating.

Yes, very sad indeed. Some guys just don't know what they're missing by "using" the girls like they do. Women are so much more fun to be with when treated like the lovely women there are! And I wholeheartedly agree that most of Montreal women are genuinely interesting people.

Sorry SL for high-jacking your thread...

Gentle

 

[StripperLover]

Some hobbyists, it seems, think that they are good judges of characters but their clearly apparent poor judgement has surfaced a multitude of times & I suspect will do so until the inevitable occurs.

Talking or not talking about anyone's personal affairs unrelated to this hobby, in this case as to whether or not they have or have not had healthy relationship is another clear example of presumption by regnad & trying to take a shot a me & to quote;

to mock me, my one time friend

.
First of all, the 2nd part of that quote was another error in judgement on his part & the statement itself is an ignorant one seeing as I've never had an intimate conversation with him.

 

[StripperLover]

Ooooh another shot, a clear shot in the heart, I feel so terrible !

Do I get the sense here that someone is challenging me, with the knowledge of what I know in this industry & about these ladies ?

My exposee will clearly reveal not only the scam artists who exist in this industry, the hobbyists who are liars & ALL the factual delusional clients.

 

[Doc Holliday]

We have a pissing contest on our hands....

Damn!! I knew that i was making a mistake when i went for my morning piss earlier.....now, i can't enter the pissing contest!

A good ol' fashioned pissing contest!!

 

[General Gonad]

The slippery slope

Not that long ago, one of the several young ladies in the biz that i am friends with mentionned to me that she'd be unable to meet me for dinner on a certain date since she'd be spending time with a particular client for 3 consecutive days. "Three whole days??", i asked her. "Yes, three whole days with him", came the reply. "What's wrong with this?", she asked. Well, i took a deep breath and told her how i really felt about these arrangements. "To be honest, i find this very sad", i told her. "I'm very happy for you that you're able to get paid for this, don't get me wrong. But i find it sad that someone has to pay someone to spend time with him in some other capacity other than for sex. I mean...think about it....he's paying for you to stay with him. Ain't this kind of sad?"

Let me say that this thread is getting very interesting. I am focusing in on what Doc has written above. Why? because I feel that it is at the heart of the matter. He is absolutely right: if you pay an SP to fill an emotional void in your life, then you are in all likelihood, doing a lot more harm to yourself without even knowing it and this is sad. This is where it's not just innocent fun but a serious lapse of judgement; it is sad that people feel that they can buy someone's friendship. Some SPs prey on these weaknesses; most don't.

I will let you in on a real life experience of mine. Last fall, I arranged a two hour session with an SP that I desperately wanted to meet. We emailed each other, we spoke over the phone and I we just clicked in every possible way. I was extremely nervous because I really wanted to meet her and it was one of my first encounters. I get to the motel (Chablis on East Sherbrooke) where we arranged to meet and I had a memory lapse: I kept dialing the wrong number. I was stupid enough not to give her my cell number and I did not write her number down (I thought I memorized it)! I remembered to bring everything else, including two books that I wanted her to read, but I forgot her number by one god damn digit because I was nervous!

Anyways, after an hour of trying many numbers, I gave up and I drove back home to read my emails and call her (the motel had no internet access). I felt like an idiot and I was continuously apologizing to her. She told me not to worry and that she understood that these things happen. We then had a great two hour conversation. It was deep and pure. At the end, I asked her to meet me for lunch and she agreed.

It was a beautiful sunny day and we ended up meeting on St-Denis. We exchanged compliments and then had a lunch where we got into even deeper conversation. At the end of the lunch, I handed over the two books and the $400 I felt I owed her. She was shocked and said that she couldn't accept it. I told her it's the right thing to do and I insisted that she keep the money. (BTW, $400 is a lot of money for me - nothing to piss away).

She is gone from the biz now but she still emails me on occasion to see how I am doing and to tell me that I made significant difference in her life. "You gave me the courage to confront the demons from my past and to deal with my insecurities." I never had sex with her but I shared something a lot more meaningful. We shared an intense discussion on things that SPs rarely venture into. We exposed our deepest secrets to each other and we helped each other without ever having sex!

But as intense as it got, I never deluded myself into thinking she fell madly in love with me or that I can win her over with my charm and intellect. That wasn't my purpose. I just did what I thought was right. I saw a fellow human being who needed help and I responded. Again, I did not delude myself into thinking that I will fall madly in love with her and neither did she.

I am getting off track with this story. I guess what I wanted to write is that there is nothing wrong with meeting an SP for dinner, taking a trip with her or helping her out with a selfless act as long as you know where you stand. But you have to be honest with yourself and ask yourself whether there is a deeper emotional void that you are trying to fill. If this is the case, then it is sad. This is not the type of therapeutic effect that I am talking about. In this case, you need to consult professional help.

I think this is what SL was getting at when he writes about delusions. As for me, I try to cap my encounters to two or three hours to protect myself from slipping into this delusional state. As I previousy stated, there is a fine line between delusion and fantasy and many of us cross it without even knowing it. This is the danger of intense hobbying.


GG

 

[StripperLover]

I now understand that if I question a post then the rules are that I should be flammed or insulted ?

I will not return such behaviour no matter who flings it.

 

[General Gonad]

Let's move on....

Guys, can we stop this bullshit? I put up what I thought was an interesting response about the slippery slope between delusion and fantasy. I think too many assume things of one another without really knowing each other.

Regnad is an easy target but I am not worried about him falling off the cliff. As I stated, he's a hopeless romantic but well in control. Conversely, I think that both Olie and SL are hopeless cynics but they are a lot more decent than what comes across in some of their threads.

Maybe the truth lies between their views and Regnad's views and I might add, they share a lot of similarities but are all too blind or mad to see them.

GG

 

[Robin]

My exposee will clearly reveal not only the scam artists who exist in this industry, the hobbyists who are liars & ALL the factual delusional clients.

Geez SL, how many volumes is this going to be? I hope it also includes an expose of StripperLover himself evolving from a fantasy-seeking naive hobbyist on Canbest to the hard-nosed industry cynic today.