Totally agree! CEGEP and undergrad age girls are the best
I was too busy studying superstring theory in school and didn't get these girls when I was their age. That's the reason I had to pay for these kinds of girls later in my life!
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I was too busy studying superstring theory in school and didn't get these girls when I was their age. That's the reason I had to pay for these kinds of girls later in my life!The energy required to demonstrate such theories is beyond the capacity of any particle colliders at present. I dropped out of the field and went on to get a PhD in a pseudo-science. I haven't paid attention in the last 20 years. I should have studied G-string theory instead
Onlyfans has absolutely killed the hobby. Ten years ago, the roster of most agencies were comprised of thin, pretty, white women in their early 20s with minimal tattoos and minimal plastic surgery like a Kyler Quinn. Nowadays, these types of women are the minority. I would estimate well under 10%. Just look up the available roster for any of the major agencies and take a tally if you don't believe me, keeping in mind the falsely lowered reported age (on average 5 years, sometimes even a decade
Someone in another thread suggested looking into independents. However, even the very high end and highly reviewed independents largely lack the aforementioned natural college aged beauty as described above. They are mostly older, many well into their 30s, with a mostly fake bionic instagram look that some men have convinced themselves that they actually like because of the lack of options.
Completely agree.
I think onlyfans had a harder impact on strippers. Seeking and other "dating platform" probably had more of an impact of the actual hobby.
A large number of OF girls do it because they don't have to have physical contact + a certain sense of anonimity (as much as one can have influencing on the Internet). I think traditionally that was the general mindset of strippers... sure its sexwork but with strict limits and touching was for the longest time not even possible.
Just saying it might not the root but definitly a symptom. In the end, there are surely more girls involved into sexwork than ever before.
A large number of OF girls do it because they don't have to have physical contact + a certain sense of anonimity (as much as one can have influencing on the Internet). I think traditionally that was the general mindset of strippers... sure its sexwork but with strict limits and touching was for the longest time not even possible.
Just saying it might not the root but definitly a symptom. In the end, there are surely more girls involved into sexwork than ever before.
Onlyfans may have impacted the industry but it is not the only case. Some sps are simply not comfortable offering gfe service which is often pushed by most agencies. I am in touch with several ladies who have left because of heavily pushed gfe services which after awhile they are not comfortable offering, boundary pushing, boyfriends and or satisfaction working in other jobs even if the pay is less. Even a few bilingual colleagues have left to work as waitresses or bottle service girls as the tips equate to what they would work as an agency or close to it, plenty have told me some supper clubs and restaurants in terms of tips have paid more if not equal to what they would have made at an agency in Montreal. It's just just only fans that's shaping the industry but if your a hot girl, you can get plenty of tips in restaurants, strip clubs and supperclubs.
I can't tell how much OF is distorting escort work. Obviously, being able to only disrobe for potentially more money with no need to for sex more enticing to some women. But overall though, I imagine only a select few women are making money from OF as a sole income source. It's very common to see most escorts, even super hot ones still keep escorting. OF is likely passive income from a line of work you're already in, not to mention OF accounts can also help drum up escort business (SPs often link their OF profiles even though that you're not allowed to talk about sex work on the platform itself).
(There is one good thing about OF: it's that much easier to talk about visual souvenirs of your encounter. I was able to talk my way into pics before OF, but if she's already used to letting it all hang out and getting paid for it, the conversation is a little easier once I know she has OF. It goes without saying that a gentlemanly approach AND respecting privacy goes a long way to granted requests).
Regardless of how much OF impacts escorting, a lot of general aspects right now in the hobby lately are not tilted in the client's favor. Example of something new I observed and currently dealing with it now: client is now subsidizing part of the incall. Some will have their rates and then note there's an incall fee for the hotel room. In the case I'm currently dealing with, I didn't learn about that until deposit talk started. It's a bummer, but extra fees are being passed onto the consumer for other services so why not intimacy too?
(There is one good thing about OF: it's that much easier to talk about visual souvenirs of your encounter
. I was able to talk my way into pics before OF, but if she's already used to letting it all hang out and getting paid for it, the conversation is a little easier once I know she has OF. It goes without saying that a gentlemanly approach AND respecting privacy goes a long way to granted requests).Regardless of how much OF impacts escorting, a lot of general aspects right now in the hobby lately are not tilted in the client's favor. Example of something new I observed and currently dealing with it now: client is now subsidizing part of the incall. Some will have their rates and then note there's an incall fee for the hotel room. In the case I'm currently dealing with, I didn't learn about that until deposit talk started. It's a bummer, but extra fees are being passed onto the consumer for other services so why not intimacy too?
I've met SPs in this modern era that don't offer GFE. The solution is simple: I'm not seeing them again.
So in the long run, the market will sort out anyone not willing to do GFE. No one should be made to do anything they aren't comfortable with or anything with extra risk, but no such thing as a free lunch either. If you're only comfortable with CBJ when most are offering BBBJ and you don't get calls, it's not hard to pinpoint what's holding you back.
What I don't understand about a guy giving so much money to a bottle girl or OF that they live off just that is both jobs are only physical sex-adjacent. Unless you tip your way into sex somehow, you're not getting laid. OF is even worse from the guy's perspective cuz at the end of the day you're still playing with yourself--when playing with her in the flesh is sooo much better!
From what I have been told from a few former escorts when they made the switch to the high end restaurant, supper club industry, the big bottle purchasers would drink extravagant amounts of alcohol in the thousands. There are a few high rollers in the club scene here who will drop 100s in tips like it's water and not expect a thing but to flirt, from what I was told these high rollers would be " nose deep" in the white at the same time and when your both high and drunk it's naturally assumed that you would be looser with your money, but yes that's a few reasons why I have heard that.
Also some escorts have left because of studying in school in a business field or otherwise they may get an internship that pays well and or leave little time for escorting, or work as teaching assistants if pursuing a master's. I don't think only fans killed the scene but other jobs and factors if available will also contribute vastly. Quebec is rich in the job market and a quick look on indeed, LinkedIn and Monster can contribute to the lack of talent. There are just more job opportunities out there that are flexible especially for young women.
Also there is the concept of boyfriends, many have left to date and do not want to consider escorting anymore, that's another story. Some would have guilt if they still worked, or if you are an attractive young woman, male attention is vast, dating is not difficult. Most men would not be ok with an sp still working, I mean there are exceptions, but most would have a problem with it.
Ah it makes sense if they're rich & on booger sugar. That's why they're not dropping the money in hopes for some action.
Your second paragraph is also interesting. When the economy wasn't as strong, there were several indies that I knew who were also in school. So to bypass sex work while enrolled in school is different. I always thought it was physically easier to do sex work (you're making in a few hours what you'd make in a week at a desk job). But I'm sure the mental toll is a lot on its own, even before you add in dealing with boyfriends/keeping secrets/not being able to have boyfriends etc. So a "regular" job might be more enticing for that reason.
what i find funny is these young quebec girls i mean not woman with hot body's and intellligente i mean young girls that look like there just borderline 18 does 1 -2 scenes on OF and wham! im a pornstar now!..i mean really..theres these 2 nerdy guys i wont mention that self proclame pornstars (one is well known to bullshit is way) and other one did 1 scene with a local girl now say there mtl biggest pornstars male loll...so yes OF as gotten to a lot of these girls that they think cause they did 1-2 scenes they can charge like 600$ hr! and there new thats what im talking about here.
on my end I agree that OF is getting so much income on a number of firls that escorting will only be interesting for some if there is a significsnt premium attsched to it thus the very high prices (For some at least). Personnally i dont have a lot of interest in paying for OF material and play with myself; I save my cash for the real thing. These is nothing better than the real life meeting with a gorgeous lady whose only objective is to please you…. Ive played with myself plenty and reduced quite a bit since i started hobbying…. There is nothing like sharing orgasms with a cool and gorgeous lady!!!!
Minors aren't allowed on onlyfans and they do ID verification, so I promise these are women, not girls. Young women are not children.
This is your 2nd or 3rd post saying essentially the same thing. I think we got it
. I personally am not sure the illusion of being "a star" is the reason why new ish providers "think they are worth more". I think it has more to do with the fact that being on OF = more income = no need to see as many clients = why not charge more and be selective? Nothing to do with fame and everything to do with business decisions, imo. Correlation does not imply causation. OF might be a factor but not because "wow I'm a star", in my opinion. For example, I increased my rates because I wanted to focus on my regulars and I couldn't keep up with demand at my old rates anyway. But an outsider might blindly assume I did it because I have a OF lol
A few years ago, I got a prepaid credit card to subscribe to a few ladies. But even then (haven't been on it in years), my OF interest was always very specific: it was for ladies that I knew that are also SPs so I could see them in person. All these young guys can keep their multiple OF subscriptions and keep looking at women behind a computer. I'll be making arrangements so her titties can end up in my mouth.
What no ever talks about when it comes to heavily pushed gfe services is the mental aspect of it. Physically is one thing but mentally its a whole other ball game.
im saying i know some that told me its because theres stars on OF thats why im saying this not generalising everyone but lets face it there is someMinors aren't allowed on onlyfans and they do ID verification, so I promise these are women, not girls. Young women are not children.
This is your 2nd or 3rd post saying essentially the same thing. I think we got it
For example, I increased my rates because I wanted to focus on my regulars and I couldn't keep up with demand at my old rates anyway. But an outsider might blindly assume I did it because I have a OF lol
Here's a slightly different take on why there are fewer young women in the sp business:
On one hand, we're talking about the oldest profession in the world. It will never change as long as there are horny men.
However, the mechanism by which it's being delivered is changing, thanks to the internet and social media.
Today's young generation, be it men or women, are much more comfortable with online services. It's no different from getting food from Uber Eats instead of dining in or take out. In other words, have all your cravings satisfied via an app on your phone. OF is simply a different means to the same end.
It's well-known that gen Zs are having less sex and parties compared to previous generations, so there's that as well. They much rather stay home and do everything online.
From a financial point of view, I doubt most girls on OF are making as much $$$ as they would have, had they worked as an SP. It's a zero-sum game where the top 1% takes 99% of the profit. But the trade-off, i.e.no need to leave home, less personal contact, no fixed schedule, makes it worthwhile for a lot of young girls.
My gut feeling is that, unless or until this societal change swings in the opposite direction, the sp scene will not return to the "golden days" anytime soon.
OF course, there is some good news too. Such as the more diverse selection of girls from different nationalities thanks to the increased immigration.
Bottom line - go with the flow. If more hot girls are online, then you've got to meet them where they are. Personally, I'm still satisfied with the nice lineup of SPs available right now. I wouldn't go on OF because of the lack of physical contact. Perhaps AI will soon give us human-like sex robots to satisfy every kink. I mean, is there a problem if your little head (or big head) can't tell the difference?
On one hand, we're talking about the oldest profession in the world. It will never change as long as there are horny men.
However, the mechanism by which it's being delivered is changing, thanks to the internet and social media.
Today's young generation, be it men or women, are much more comfortable with online services. It's no different from getting food from Uber Eats instead of dining in or take out. In other words, have all your cravings satisfied via an app on your phone. OF is simply a different means to the same end.
It's well-known that gen Zs are having less sex and parties compared to previous generations, so there's that as well. They much rather stay home and do everything online.
From a financial point of view, I doubt most girls on OF are making as much $$$ as they would have, had they worked as an SP. It's a zero-sum game where the top 1% takes 99% of the profit. But the trade-off, i.e.no need to leave home, less personal contact, no fixed schedule, makes it worthwhile for a lot of young girls.
My gut feeling is that, unless or until this societal change swings in the opposite direction, the sp scene will not return to the "golden days" anytime soon.
OF course, there is some good news too. Such as the more diverse selection of girls from different nationalities thanks to the increased immigration.
Bottom line - go with the flow. If more hot girls are online, then you've got to meet them where they are. Personally, I'm still satisfied with the nice lineup of SPs available right now. I wouldn't go on OF because of the lack of physical contact. Perhaps AI will soon give us human-like sex robots to satisfy every kink. I mean, is there a problem if your little head (or big head) can't tell the difference?
i agree that it seemed OF as come down cause i know somoene who is a sp and we talk friendly on tweeter.ive known here for a while and she explain of had a big boom when the covid thing started but know guys are getting a bit fed up seing the same girl over an over with same guys doing content .so a lot have turned to providing service.the probleme like she said is some use that to boost there prices saying cause they did some OF there some kind of stars.she explain to me she knows a girl that she ues to do OF and tried to charge wayy to much high so she had to come down a bit and charge what is consider regular..i would never pay 700$ hre for someoene that i use to see at much lower prices thats insane!
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