Prejudice about SPs

[blkone]

I was recently with an SP that decided to go into anthropology (she knew her anthropology by the way, really good, she even commented on my skull structure) in our "downtime" and said "Escorts, they are dumb etc. That's what some clients think."

I've heard this sort of thing before from other girls but it got me to thinking this time... Do you disrespect the career choice? Do you think all escorts are "dumb sluts?" Do you have a lower opinion of them vis-a-vis yourself?

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To answer my own question I've never been a prejudiced person (except when it comes to politics), I've never thought myself "higher" than an escort woman. In fact I've always tried to be as ''gentlemanly'' as possible with these ladies and I've always liked a session where we can both enjoy each other and have a good laugh. A good session full of laughter gives you the same feeling as good sex btw.

I've also had some very good conversations with SP's that were worth every penny.

So, what about you?

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The title is wrong but I cannot edit it.

 

[SylvainP]

I respect escorts, masseuses and dancers. I cannot misrespect them without misrespecting me. They give me something I need. I don't know why I should consider myself a better human than them. It's true, some men will always misrespect women, sex workers or not.

 

[oldbutartful]

I respect escorts, masseuses and dancers. I cannot misrespect them without misrespecting me. They give me something I need. I don't know why I should consider myself a better human than them. It's true, some men will always misrespect women, sex workers or not.

I would guess SP / Clients are fairly even One provides a service for a fee the Other uses that Service a pays the fee. If you don't like the service or the fee move elsewhere Its like supermarkets you go where you get best value for your money. The fact that I visit an SP makes me no better or worse than them just a client on equal terms.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I believe the title of this thread is very misleading.

 

[Siocnarf]

I agree with Doc about the title.

I always had high respect for the profession. Sometimes I may meet someone that I won't respect personally, but it's very rare. The worst enemy of sex workers is not the police or bad clients, it's the social stigma. Even in countries where it's completely legal, many still choose to keep their job secret from other people.

Why is it so reviled, even in our society where you can have sex with anyone anytime? If someone has casual sex with strangers every night, their friends just say ''someday you will find Mr/Mrs Right''. But prostitution is just casual sex with no pretense at a possible romantic relationship. It's a negation of our social structure and I think that scares the hell out of most people.

 

[themonk83]

the reason it is reviled is morals influenced by religion

in the old days, sex wasn't taboo. we just have to look at old greece or during the romans era but then, it became something considered sacred and bla bla, sex is taboo.

 

[Mod 9]

Title changed.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I am glad you changed the threat title Mod, it was inappropriate.

 

[Siocnarf]

the reason it is reviled is morals influenced by religion

That is also true, but so was homosexuality, sex before marriage, adultery, oral sex, contraception, abortion, working on sundays, etc. What puzzles me is why have all these things been accepted, except prostitution. I think it goes deeper than religious morale because it challenges the way we think about relationships.

Here's an interesting short video with Dan Savage (why monogamy is ridiculous.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8SOQEitsJI

 

[sweetwater]

Yes, M9, thank you for changing the title.
I have never considered myself to be any better than anyone else, no matter what their chosen career is, as long as they are working at something. Those who do nothing for themselves are a different matter, and cannot command any respect from me.
I have total respect for SPs. In most cases, I believe, they are doing what they have to do to get where they want to go in life. I know some have done this for a long time as a career, others have done it temporarily until they can get through school, or until their other career can support them.
There is no way I can have prejudice against or disrespect for anyone whom I call, ask to come visit me, pay them for their time, and do whatever consenting adults consent to do.
Sweetwater

 

[blkone]

Thanks for changing the title, I could not alter it (?); and when drunk it's even harder.

 

[Merlot]

Hello all,

...in the old days, sex wasn't taboo. we just have to look at old greece or during the romans era but then, it became something considered sacred and bla bla, sex is taboo.

Greece and Rome? Sorry but it's a very poor reference. You are talking about a time of great brutality, near absence of human rights, and a law and order system that could be savage if it was just at all. Slavery was endemic often outnumbering free persons in the cities, 99% of people had a very hard subsistence life if they weren't starving barely reaching at 35 most of the time. It was considered correct to exterminate whole cities as a lesson for control.

Women were essentially property to be used or traded as de facto maids and breeders with pretty much no chance otherwise. Prostitution was legal but is was still considered shameful and prostitutes were part of the lowest order of society. In Rome at certain points their history the patriarch of the family or head of the household could kill his wife legally if she didn't "keep her place". But yeah, prostitution wasn't illegal.

It's not sex that became "sacred", it's virtue.

Today, I don't think people need morals or religion to be uncomfortable about anyone, man or woman, selling themselves for sex. There's would be those against it regardless.

cheers,

Merlot

 

[blkone]

Rome was not a very nice place to live as Merlot said and being a prostitute was probably the worst existence of all. It was also not infrequent for a John to murder his prostitute for bad service or other silly reason, paying the owner a few sesterce and that was that, no punishment whatsoever.

When it came to the status of Women, there wasn't any except for the few in the patrician class that were given a few more rights when Augustus became Emperor. You could kill your wife for a handful of reasons, legally. You could kill your daughter as well for something so trivial as not being 'virtuous.' That's sort of like being able to legally kill your daughter today because she refuses to clean up her room.

And the Greeks? The Spartans were probably the only Greeks that saw men and women as equals, or as equal as could be for the time period. But, The Spartans also kept a group of slaves called the Helots and yearly went out to murder them, for no reason, it was just an event, a tradition. The Spartans were a little insane (If you ever have a chance... try to find the letters from Spartan Women to their children or husbands. You will see what I mean... they were a special bunch).

Pagan times weren't great for Women, in fact most of the early adopters of Christianity were Roman Women and not men. For a Woman Christianity offered a lot.

We hear about Jesus helping up the prostitute and urging her to change her ways. We criticize that today because she should have had "free choice" and blah blah --Let's not forget that in the same time period if the average Roman legionary found a prostitute on the road, she would have been raped (or even gang raped if there are a few soldiers) and then murdered.



If no one understands this, please do forgive me... I've been drinking... a lot.

 

[blkone]

the reason it is reviled is morals influenced by religion

in the old days, sex wasn't taboo. we just have to look at old greece or during the romans era but then, it became something considered sacred and bla bla, sex is taboo.

Actually the Romans during the Empire were rather prudish compared to the Romans of the Republic. Most of the sexual escapades that we think about when we think of the Romans happened during the decline of the Republic. The first sets of laws passed by Emperor Augustus included "Moral laws", that were not received well. But, in time through the change of culture into the Empire the Romans did become more sexually restrained, but, much more violent. "Virtue" was a big thing with the Romans. They also did not like the Greeks because they were "easy" with their "wives" and they also blackmailed their enemies as sexual degenerates, like they did with Carthage.

So, unlike today where you may get looks. Not showing virtue in Rome could end up with you being impaled on a sword.

Like what happened to a few perverted Emperors by the way.

 

[blkone]

@Johnhenrygalt

Good observation.

 

[Merlot]

Gents,

It's just as remarkable that even on merb, people use this expression "selling themselves" to refer to a simple fee for service arrangement.

"A simple fee for service arrangement" it isn't. So escort service is like going to the drive up at Dunkin Donuts or the bank ATM? I've always found it amazing how so many dehumanize what we receive with euphemisms like "service provider"..."hobby"..."encounter"...and all the like as if the terms themselves really sanitize purchasing sex with another human being to the level of grocery shopping. We clients demand a lot out of escorts using acronyms like GFE and PSE that requires them to pour out their inner selves emotionally and spiritually then describe what happens as a "service arrangement" as if there are no feelings...as if she just fixed your car or toilet. It's ridiculous really.

No one refers to a physician, lawyer, accountant or mechanic as "selling themselves" when they render service for a fee. Why would people use this expression for prostitutes unless they really believe that the prostitute has truly sold herself, and no longer owns herself.

I would guess the ladies hate the phrase "selling themselves", but what we clients have been demanding is nothing like that of "a physician, lawyer, accountant or mechanic", unless Johnhenrygalt has been having extremely unique sessions with them. That or what he seeks from the ladies is coldly business-like and mechanical. Does the site or job performance of your mechanic or lawyer really arouse your loins and inner sexuality to make you crave a physical and emotional connection that makes your hormones shudder with orgasm. HUH JHG???



Merlot

 

[Siocnarf]

Paying for sex is not like getting someone to repair your toaster. But that is also true of many jobs that deal with vital issues important to people. When you're paying a lawyer, you're essentially paying someone who knows the law to be your friend and take your side. When you're paying a shrink, you're paying someone who knows about psychology to listen to your story and help you. Many clients will feel a certain bonding for these people who are paid to help them, and sometimes these professionals also have empathy for their clients. That's also true of escort/clients relationships, in my opinion. It's not like every other jobs, but it's a lot like some jobs that deal with peoples intimate lives.

Why do people think that having sex is more intimate than telling a someone all about the painful details of your childhood? Why don't we say, ''oh well if you really loved your wife you'd be telling her that, instead of paying a stranger to listen to you''. Well, some things just work better with someone you don't have a serious relationship with .

 

[Merlot]

Siocnarf,

It's true that in any extended frequent business relationship there may be a more personal connection, though I'd would not think it could be called friendship, and I have always found any business that makes that claim in their advertisements to be a highly insulting tactic attempting to play the client as if he/ she is gullible or stupid. Empathy I can understand in some cases, but if there was ever a friendship it still would not be anything like the emotional intimacy we clients have started to require as a matter of typical business standards...which is astonishing if you really think about what that is asking the lady to commit to.

There simply isn't any business that can compare to the escort-client relationship, and saying it's a "simple fee for service arrangement" is a mockery of what it really is.

vraiment,

Merlot

 

[Siocnarf]

I agree it's not actual friendship, except in some cases. I'm just saying that some other jobs also have a very intimate dimension between the customer and provider. To say that no other business can compare is to ignore that many people have very different views on sex and intimacy. For someone who is perfectly fine about having sex with strangers, doing it for money or paying for it can be not much different than some other jobs. In our society, these people are of course a minority, but I think many clients and escorts are like that. Most people would not willingly have sex for money, but also most people would feel incapable of singing or dancing in front of 5000 peoples even if you gave them money.