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[daydreamer41]

thanks for the clarification !! I got herpes and wart mixed up, and thought HPV shots can prevent herpes for the longest time, oh myy ...
can herpes be transmitted through skin to skin contact then ? even when the person is not currently having a herpes outbreak?

and yes i think the HPV vaccines are geared more towards women since the types that it guard against are those that can cause cervical cancer

Yes, herpes can be transmitted when the outbreak or symptoms are not visible.

 

[james t kirk]

There is no such thing as safe sex.

There is only reducing the risk by using condoms and condoms are only really effective in preventing the transmission of some (not all) STDs like syphilis and ghonerea and chlamydia and HIV. Condoms do this by preventing bacteria from entering or leaving the penis, or in the case of HIV, semen that is infected with the HIV virus is kept inside the condom.

Condoms offer little (if any) protection against warts and or herpes since there will always be skin on skin contract and these viruses (different than bacteria) can be spread by simple skin on skin contact.

As a male, if you want to be safer, you should always wear a condom and on top of that, once finished (like immediately once finished) you should jump out of bed, thoroughly was your groin area and urinate.

If you think that a condom will allow you a green card to rub away at her pussy with no consequences, I have some beach front property in Saskatchewan I want you to look at.

And as far as all of the above goes - what, do you think if you eat her pussy that your mouth is somehow resistant to STDs? Dreamers. You can catch all of the above (bacterial infections especially) going down on a woman who is STD infected. (Or she can catch them from you.)

If you want to be 100% safe, you either don't have sex, or you have a monogamous relationship with another monogamous person. Other than that - you are rolling the dice.

 

[wasisname]

There is no such thing as safe sex.

There is only reducing the risk by using condoms and condoms are only really effective in preventing the transmission of some (not all) STDs like syphilis and ghonerea and chlamydia and HIV. Condoms do this by preventing bacteria from entering or leaving the penis, or in the case of HIV, semen that is infected with the HIV virus is kept inside the condom.

Condoms offer little (if any) protection against warts and or herpes since there will always be skin on skin contract and these viruses (different than bacteria) can be spread by simple skin on skin contact.

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Syphilis belongs with warts and herpes as one of those things that Condoms are partly effective against because of the skin on skin contact.

http://www.cdc.gov/condomeffectiveness/latex.htm

Also if you actually think it helps to jump out of bed, thoroughly was your groin area and urinate, well I know how you picked up that beach front property in Saskatchewan you want to unload.
http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/news/20020221/can-washing-prevent-stds

It is amazing that adults who have sex with prostitutes are so uninformed about STDs [actually James T Kirk is more on the ball than some I've seen on the 'erbs. It is even more amazing some of the utter nonsence that actual escorts have spouted off. If your job involves fucking loads of guys maybe you should have a keen interest on knowing the ins and outs of the STDs.

 

[EagerBeaver]

There is no such thing as safe sex.

This pretty much says it all. If you hide under a bed and masturbate every time you think about sex, it's probably reasonably safe. But you are not living. There is going to be some risk no matter what, and at some point you either shoot yourself worrying or bite the bullet and accept some level of risk, just like you do when you fly or even drive on the highway.

 

[dolt]

....
Condoms offer little (if any) protection against warts and or herpes since there will always be skin on skin contract and these viruses (different than bacteria) can be spread by simple skin on skin contact.
...

I think the only true way to avoid that (besides not having casual sex) would be to have a full latex head-to-toe bodysuit with integrated condom cast in one piece. Then its just a matter of finding a way to teleport or pour yourself into the damn thing.

 

[Joe.t]

This pretty much says it all. If you hide under a bed and masturbate every time you think about sex, it's probably reasonably safe. But you are not living. There is going to be some risk no matter what, and at some point you either shoot yourself worrying or bite the bullet and accept some level of risk, just like you do when you fly or even drive on the highway.

Good point, I would rather live a little and have fun while I'm at it rather than masturbate all of the time or have a monogamous relationship with a woman that I'm not attracted too, I will play the percentages and have fun while I'm at it.

 

[Mauser]

You might get a surprise and pop goes the weasel. The problem is, other weasels have been popping in the same place.

 

[Merlot]

Gents,

Good point, I would rather live a little and have fun while I'm at it rather than masturbate all of the time...

Yes, everything has risk and life is about taking risk without which nothing can be achieved or enjoyed, as long as one is mature enough to deal with the many downsides and keep going.

...or have a monogamous relationship with a woman that I'm not attracted too...

Are we talking about a long time girlfriend or a bad marriage one is clinging after the attraction has died? One would have to be quite desperate and hopeless for that, or he's dealing with other factors like children. In any case I would doubt monogamy enters into it when things have reached this point.

...I will play the percentages and have fun while I'm at it.

Playing the percentages is necessary no matter what you do. However, where it relates to the sex industry where is the point of playing the percentages and just being irresponsibly excessive. We see here from many members the acknowledgement that no sex is really safe no matter what you do to protect yourself, as devices such as condoms only cover a certain limited area and the relative "vigor" with which a person approaches sex can overcome that protection, or it can be ineffective just by chance. We become a little dismissive of that risk by saying life is about risk and also asserting, very conveniently, that seeing escorts is safer than sex outside the business in so-called "normal" life even though the obvious vast differences in sexual activity with different persons would be many times lower in the normal world versus the hobby and the number possible risk contacts in the hobby (your hobby numbers multiplied by all of her clients and their hobby numbers, etc.) makes nonsense out of the idea that the hobby is less risky and no matter how much you are into it it's still just an acceptable risk.

I've been doing in this hobby since 2001 and have averaged around 10 encounters per year, approximately. Those numbers are almost certainly very well below average for risk among long time members here. Where is the rate that goes beyond acceptable risk in this hobby? What do you suggest? Is anything acceptable? Is it just a matter of the individual choice and there's no such thing as excess? Sure driving at any time is a risk, but does that mean being drunk or going 100 mph (161 kph) can be dismissed simply the normal need to take risks in life?

This is not about slowing anyone or knocking anyone, it's just about what is really happening...especially when there are no required safeguards except personal judgment up to the same types of guys willing to engage escorts as much as they wish.

Frankly I wish there was some kind of data base identifying which escorts were connected to which clients and the level of risk frequency and risky option behavior involved with them to help make my choices. Yeah, it's impossible pie in the sky stuff, but though I accept risk I would rather not get into bed with those who think acceptable risk is having no limits at all.

The problem is, other weasels have been popping in the same place.

Yup, it's what you've been doing plus what everyone else has been doing, which amounts to a huge pile eventually.

Best of luck all,

Merlot

 

[EagerBeaver]

Couldn't find the info for Wet Ones, but looking at the types of viruses that Lysol claims are killed by their disinfecting wipes, I'd yes for HSV, but not necessarily for HPV (pretty tough treatment to get rid of it):

http://www.lysol.ca/en/cleaning-products/disinfecting-wipes/disinfecting-wipes-4in1

Reverdy those particular wipes are made for countertops and it is unlikely that HPV is a virus you are looking to get rid of on your kitchen counter as opposed to on the tip of your cock. That being said we have those wipes in our office and they are stated to be effective on 99.99% of bacteria and viruses which means if you use one to wipe your cock after BBBJ, there is only 00.01% that are going to survive that wipe.

The operative ingredient in most hand sanitizers like Purell is 70% ethyl alcohol. Alcohol solutions are effective against some viruses and not others, according to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_sanitizer

It seems that the main immune viruses mentioned are rabies (which you only get by being bitten by an infected animal/person), and norovirus. It is mostly effective against others.

Therefore a splash of this stuff on your cock after BBBJ is likely to kill most of the stuff you want dead. If you get a BBBJ from a rabid SP, it could be a problem.

 

[Montrealmontreal]

Yes, herpes can be transmitted when the outbreak or symptoms are not visible.

oh shit, makes me want to never hobby again ... :S choosing between sex and health, i think i pick the later

 

[Siocnarf]

We become a little dismissive of that risk by saying life is about risk and also asserting, very conveniently, that seeing escorts is safer than sex outside the business in so-called "normal" life even though the obvious vast differences in sexual activity with different persons would be many times lower in the normal world versus the hobby

We need to compare apples with apples. If you're going to have sex with many strangers, sex workers are less risky than someone you just met in a bar. They know what they are doing.

Risks % are misleading to people, because it gives them the impression that everything in life is just a gamble with very well defined odds. These numbers represent statistics for large number of events, but you never know what is your risk with one person in a specific situation. All you know is that using this or that protection decreases the risk significantly. Even if you're monogamous, there's a significant possibility that your SO is cheating on you. Having unprotected sex with your own girlfriend could turn out to be more dangerous than having protected sex with escorts.

 

[wasisname]

oh shit, makes me want to never hobby again ... :S choosing between sex and health, i think i pick the later

Actually I've been thinking about this more and more. If I had lotto money I'd probably not worry about. I'd be able to hobby every day and I could resign myself to getting the HSV and HPV and hope I am one of the majority who either never shows signs or in the case of the HSV gets outbreaks very seldom.

However if you only have the cash or the time to hobby a few times a year, is a few times a year worth the risk vs safer alternaitives.

 

[TigerWould]

About 6 months ago saw an SP in Toronto, we really hit it off, I was her last call of the night she actually stayed over 2 hours and I only paid her for 1 hour. Everything was safe except my 2nd shot, we got hot, kissing was really heavy and passionate, I was on top of her and she says "wait" she pulls out baby oil from her purse and sprays it all over her pussy and spreads her lips...she grabs my shaft and rubs is and proceeds to rub the shaft along her pussy lips. I really didn't last long it was an incredible feeling pretty much like BBFS. Normally I would never do this but I guess it was the heat of the moment. Afterwards she told me it was a "treat" as she liked me. I've been tested twice since and am clean, probably dodged a bullet.

 

[james t kirk]

About 6 months ago saw an SP in Toronto, we really hit it off, I was her last call of the night she actually stayed over 2 hours and I only paid her for 1 hour. Everything was safe except my 2nd shot, we got hot, kissing was really heavy and passionate, I was on top of her and she says "wait" she pulls out baby oil from her purse and sprays it all over her pussy and spreads her lips...she grabs my shaft and rubs is and proceeds to rub the shaft along her pussy lips. I really didn't last long it was an incredible feeling pretty much like BBFS. Normally I would never do this but I guess it was the heat of the moment. Afterwards she told me it was a "treat" as she liked me. I've been tested twice since and am clean, probably dodged a bullet.

You make me laugh. The judgement, "probably dodged a bullet". The implication is that you are somehow more responsible, or less of a risk than she is.

You're no better or no worse.

Plus the fact that you were tested twice. You should have been forced to pay for that second test. The first test indicated (presumably) that you were clean, yet you insist on a second test. You remind me of so many people I know who meet a person, go out on a date, have bareback sex and then get tested for STIs the next week because they are convinced that they are going to be infected. They want to have peace of mind is all. Then the process repeats itself 2 week later when they meet someone new and fuck bareback again and then panic and run out and get a get out of jail free card in order to have peace of mind and to fuck bareback again.