Question pour les SP qui participent sur forum

[Motok]

Dernierement je vois beaucoup de commentaires negatifs (sur Twitter la pluspart ) provenant de SP idependantes a propos de Montreal et des clients Montrealais . Des commentaires comme Montreal est un trou, les clients sont merdiques, cheap, etc.. J;aimerais avoir votre son de cloche sur la situation Montrealaise.

 

[NataliaLatina]

Montréal clients unfortunately are very cheap. They often try to negotiate prices and when you don’t back down then they spam you with app numbers and fake bookings. They often have a sense of entitlement that I’ve not encountered in other provinces/countries as if paying for my services allows them to treat me a way. My personal experience: generous men who appreciate your service and show it are few and far between. I also believe that the state of the economy has affected most sex workers. The month of September was terrible for me and many of the other sex workers I know (here and in the states)… is it a sign of things to come? Let’s hope not.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

Il semble en effet qu'une certaine clientèle, très active, a réussi à nous construire une très mauvaise réputation au cours des 2 dernières années. Je crois que ces clients lâ sont ceux qui, pendant longtemps, ont pris pour acquis les tarifs nettement plus bas ici, si on compare avec les autres provinces.
Comme ce n'est plus vraiment le cas, on pourrais croire qu'ils tentent par tout les moyens de forcer les filles à négocier leurs tarifs à la baisse. Il y a aussi la question du service "GFE", qui à Montréal, a toujours été plus libéral, donc lorsque les SWs viennent ici en tournée elles sont souvent choquées par les demandes et attentes des clients.

 

[TheBlob]

Il semble en effet qu'une certaine clientèle, très active, a réussi à nous construire une très mauvaise réputation au cours des 2 dernières années. Je crois que ces clients lâ sont ceux qui, pendant longtemps, ont pris pour acquis les tarifs nettement plus bas ici, si on compare avec les autres provinces.
Comme ce n'est plus vraiment le cas, on pourrais croire qu'ils tentent par tout les moyens de forcer les filles à négocier leurs tarifs à la baisse. Il y a aussi la question du service "GFE", qui à Montréal, a toujours été plus libéral, donc lorsque les SWs viennent ici en tournée elles sont souvent choquées par les demandes et attentes des clients.

Le marché de Montréal a effectivement beaucoup changé, et certains qui pouvaient se payer des rencontres ne peuvent plus. Mais comme on dit en bon français, "you pay or you don't play". Tenter de négocier est juste de mauvais goût.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

Le marché de Montréal a effectivement beaucoup changé, et certains qui pouvaient se payer des rencontres ne peuvent plus. Mais comme on dit en bon français, "you pay or you don't play". Tenter de négocier est juste de mauvais goût.

Si l'économie tombe sérieusement en récession, les chose ne vont que s'empirer. Autant pour les filles que pour les clients.

 

[Fradi]

Montréal clients unfortunately are very cheap. They often try to negotiate prices and when you don’t back down then they spam you with app numbers and fake bookings. They often have a sense of entitlement that I’ve not encountered in other provinces/countries as if paying for my services allows them to treat me a way. My personal experience: generous men who appreciate your service and show it are few and far between. I also believe that the state of the economy has affected most sex workers. The month of September was terrible for me and many of the other sex workers I know (here and in the states)… is it a sign of things to come? Let’s hope not.

Personally I don’t understand why any client would try to negotiate an SP prices, that is stupid and counter productive and will undoubtedly lead to either you being told to F… or a very bad session.
You either can afford her services or not and it doesn’t hurt to bring wine and snacks and to be nice.

Now on the other side if things are so tough for the SP ( the ones I see don’t seem to have any complaints) then why have the prices kept rising rapidly since the ease on Covid restrictions and Omicron being way less deadly than previous strains.
How would this constant increase in prices benefit someone if they see much less business as a result, something just doesn’t make sense.
Either most of the well established SP are doing well and can be more selective with clients and can increase their prices and the much less popular are struggling as a result when trying to do the same, this can be one explanation the other being that some clients are also struggling with being able to afford the new increases and SP see a backlash with them trying to negotiate and be rude when not getting their way.

Perhaps this will just weed out the bad clients and mediocre SP at the same time, who knows.
Of course I can’t say I am happy about the wave of recent increases, nobody likes to pay way more for something that they are accustomed to, but we all have to be realistic, the SP are also faced with increases in everything just like all of us and need to compensate.
I am still happy with the ladies I am seeing and feel lucky that I can afford to see them, they are fabulous women and a total joy to spend time with.

 

[NataliaLatina]

Si l'économie tombe sérieusement en récession, les chose ne vont que s'empirer. Autant pour les filles que pour les clients.

Yeah but in that case, I’d rather work a civ job than have someone negotiate my price. Honestly it just makes it hard to enjoy a session and give the best service knowing they negotiated. Leaves me feeling sick to my stomach even if they then agree to pay my regular prices.

 

[NataliaLatina]

Personally I don’t understand why any client would try to negotiate an SP prices, that is stupid and counter productive and will undoubtedly lead to either you being told to F… or a very bad session.
You either can afford her services or not and it doesn’t hurt to bring wine and snacks and to be nice.

Now on the other side if things are so tough for the SP ( the ones I see don’t seem to have any complaints) then why have the prices kept rising rapidly since the ease on Covid restrictions and Omicron being way less deadly than previous strains.
How would this constant increase in prices benefit someone if they see much less business as a result, something just doesn’t make sense.
Either most of the well established SP are doing well and can be more selective with clients and can increase their prices and the much less popular are struggling as a result when trying to do the same, this can be one explanation the other being that some clients are also struggling with being able to afford the new increases and SP see a backlash with them trying to negotiate and be rude when not getting their way.

Perhaps this will just weed out the bad clients and mediocre SP at the same time, who knows.
Of course I can’t say I am happy about the wave of recent increases, nobody likes to pay way more for something that they are accustomed to, but we all have to be realistic, the SP are also faced with increases in everything just like all of us and need to compensate.
I am still happy with the ladies I am seeing and feel lucky that I can afford to see them, they are fabulous women and a total joy to spend time with.

Personally I don’t understand why any client would try to negotiate an SP prices, that is stupid and counter productive and will undoubtedly lead to either you being told to F… or a very bad session.
You either can afford her services or not and it doesn’t hurt to bring wine and snacks and to be nice.

Now on the other side if things are so tough for the SP ( the ones I see don’t seem to have any complaints) then why have the prices kept rising rapidly since the ease on Covid restrictions and Omicron being way less deadly than previous strains.
How would this constant increase in prices benefit someone if they see much less business as a result, something just doesn’t make sense.
Either most of the well established SP are doing well and can be more selective with clients and can increase their prices and the much less popular are struggling as a result when trying to do the same, this can be one explanation the other being that some clients are also struggling with being able to afford the new increases and SP see a backlash with them trying to negotiate and be rude when not getting their way.

Perhaps this will just weed out the bad clients and mediocre SP at the same time, who knows.
Of course I can’t say I am happy about the wave of recent increases, nobody likes to pay way more for something that they are accustomed to, but we all have to be realistic, the SP are also faced with increases in everything just like all of us and need to compensate.
I am still happy with the ladies I am seeing and feel lucky that I can afford to see them, they are fabulous women and a total joy to spend time with.

Personally I don’t understand why any client would try to negotiate an SP prices, that is stupid and counter productive and will undoubtedly lead to either you being told to F… or a very bad session.
You either can afford her services or not and it doesn’t hurt to bring wine and snacks and to be nice.

Now on the other side if things are so tough for the SP ( the ones I see don’t seem to have any complaints) then why have the prices kept rising rapidly since the ease on Covid restrictions and Omicron being way less deadly than previous strains.
How would this constant increase in prices benefit someone if they see much less business as a result, something just doesn’t make sense.
Either most of the well established SP are doing well and can be more selective with clients and can increase their prices and the much less popular are struggling as a result when trying to do the same, this can be one explanation the other being that some clients are also struggling with being able to afford the new increases and SP see a backlash with them trying to negotiate and be rude when not getting their way.

Perhaps this will just weed out the bad clients and mediocre SP at the same time, who knows.
Of course I can’t say I am happy about the wave of recent increases, nobody likes to pay way more for something that they are accustomed to, but we all have to be realistic, the SP are also faced with increases in everything just like all of us and need to compensate.
I am still happy with the ladies I am seeing and feel lucky that I can afford to see them, they are fabulous women and a total joy to spend time with.

I said it was a terrible month, a terrible month is making anything less than 10000$ I didn’t say I was starving to death Prices of everything are increasing daily . If I put my prices lower, this opens a whole new worm hole and quality of clients that I’m not trying to take on personally. It’s also rare that SP’s will actually discuss how much they make (most spend it so fast they don’t even know how much they make per month) I however keep track and project my expected income comparing to the last 5 years and watching the highs and lows in the stock market /foreign exchange/crypto and I can usually guesstimate within 500$ +/- how much my income for the month will be and if I’m being honest , December is looking like I might need to go back to working at the dentist atleast part time.

 

[Cap'tain Fantastic]

Yeah but in that case, I’d rather work a civ job than have someone negotiate my price. Honestly it just makes it hard to enjoy a session and give the best service knowing they negotiated. Leaves me feeling sick to my stomach even if they then agree to pay my regular prices.

Où est-ce que tu as lu que j'encourageais la négociation? Mon commentaire est assez clair il me semble, une récession va faire mal à tout le monde, comme toute les récession.

 

[Fradi]

I said it was a terrible month, a terrible month is making anything less than 10000$ I didn’t say I was starving to death Prices of everything are increasing daily . If I put my prices lower, this opens a whole new worm hole and quality of clients that I’m not trying to take on personally. It’s also rare that SP’s will actually discuss how much they make (most spend it so fast they don’t even know how much they make per month) I however keep track and project my expected income comparing to the last 5 years and watching the highs and lows in the stock market /foreign exchange/crypto and I can usually guesstimate within 500$ +/- how much my income for the month will be and if I’m being honest , December is looking like I might need to go back to working at the dentist atleast part time.

I think you might just get some bad reactions to this post.
Some may look at less than $10,000 a month as a huge figure, I don’t, I think it is an income that a family today actually needs if they want to have a decent lifestyle, be able to educate their children and live in a home of their own which is what most people would want.

SP also have a much higher operating cost than most people to be able to maintain that clientele, so no I do not begrudge an Sp from making that kind of money in fact the opposite, I think if that they cannot make that kind of money then they should be looking for a differemt line of work or they are not doing something right and should get some friendly advice from their collègues who are.

You are right that some spend it as fast as they can make it and have no idea how to manage their finances, that is really sad.
I am glad you seem to have it together this is the type of lady I like seeing someone who is smart ambitious, independent but also knows in order to keep earning like that they need to provide something of high value in return.
Luckily there are quite a number of SP that are like that and I am lucky enough to have met some.

Unless you are the dentist you won’t be in the same income bracket lol.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

Autant je trouve déplorable qu'on discute le revenu des SP, autant je trouve les commentaires des SP qui se plaignent de leur revenu déplorables.
C'est la jungle dans ce domaine. Celui qui a les meilleures cartes à un moment donné remporte la mise. $10,000 par mois, probablement non déclaré au fisc, est un bon revenu. Si vous croyez valoir plus, haussez vos prix, et on verra ce que le marché en dira. Le coût de la vie est beaucoup plus bas à Montréal qu'à Toronto. Pour 2-3 milles $ par mois, il est possible d'avoir un bel appartement à Montréal. Doublez le prix pour Ottawa et triplez le pour Toronto.
C"est simplement la Loi de l'Offre vs la Demande. Si il y a une demande pour ce que vous offrez, vous aurez des offres. Le problème est quand on veut vendre une Hyundai, au prix d'une Mercedes... Même si les 2 peuvent nous conduire du point A au point B.

 

[Julia Sky]

Nous sommes des femmes, pas des voitures Nos prix ne dictent pas notre valeur. We run a business, we aren't employees on a salary. We have expenses - many of them. Et oui, nous payons nos taxes - not all of us, mais j'ai toujours trouvé bizarre quand les gens assument tout simplement que nous ne déclarons pas.

Je n'ai vu personne se plaindre de ses revenus au fait. Elle a juste fait une comparison par rapport à la moyenne de ce qu'elle gagne en un mois, du point de vue d'une business. Si une boutique locale fait un rapport énoncant que "septembre était mauvais pour les affaires" c'est pas nécessairement se plaindre, c'est juste un constat! Same thing applies here - this *is* a business.

Si tu enlèves le prix des dépenses nécessaires à faire rouler son enterprise, sur 10k en un mois il en reste peut-être la moitié. Ensuite paie le loyer et les factures... And god forbids someone wants a treat from time to time, or has a kid, or or or!

J'ai plus de facilité à compatir avec une escorte qui "se plaint" de faire 10k vu le contexte, qu'avec un client qui se plaint de payer un certain montant. The former is running a business and earning a living, the latter has enough disposable income to buy a blowjob. Il n'y a rien de mal à ça mais je pense que ce n'est pas comparable..

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To answer the original post : yes, MTL clients are often cheap and disrespectful, which is why I heavily rely on my regulars nowadays. It sucks that the bad clients give a bad name to the city.

 

[section80]

Moin de 10k par mois terrible, j'espère qu'elle va s'armer de kraft dîner et boîte ramen pour passer ce mois difficile. Si la norme (pour elle) c'est plus que 10k par mois, je pense pas qu'elle peut se peindre de sa clientèle Montréalaise...

 

[Dixie20]

Yeah but in that case, I’d rather work a civ job than have someone negotiate my price. Honestly it just makes it hard to enjoy a session and give the best service knowing they negotiated. Leaves me feeling sick to my stomach even if they then agree to pay my regular prices.

I’ve never negotiated. But for those who do, there are many reasons, one primarily being because some SPs are willing to accept and the Johns are satisfied. To each their own (on both sides). If negotiating makes it hard to enjoy and give the best service, wouldn’t the simply answer be not to accept the negotiated offer?

To answer the original post : yes, MTL clients are often cheap and disrespectful, which is why I heavily rely on my regulars nowadays. It sucks that the bad clients give a bad name to the city.

Is the disrespect simply link to the cheapness?

 

[NataliaLatina]

I’ve never negotiated. But for those who do, there are many reasons, one primarily being because some SPs are willing to accept and the Johns are satisfied. To each their own (on both sides). If negotiating makes it hard to enjoy and give the best service, wouldn’t the simply answer be not to accept the negotiated offer?


Is the disrespect simply link to the cheapness?

No, the disrespect is not just related to the cheapness. A lot of them (at least once a week) don’t have much respect for your time often showing up late to their appointments and seeming so unapologetic. Their mannerisms and their sense of entitlement. This is comparing to clients I’ve seen in other countries/cities and not just complaining to complain about the clientele here in Montréal.

 

[NataliaLatina]

Moin de 10k par mois terrible, j'espère qu'elle va s'armer de kraft dîner et boîte ramen pour passer ce mois difficile. Si la norme (pour elle) c'est plus que 10k par mois, je pense pas qu'elle peut se peindre de sa clientèle Montréalaise...

You aren’t considering the living expenses and the cost of fresh manicures/lashes/hair and all of the other good stuff that your favourite SP’s need to keep on top of .. the things that keep you coming back. The OP asked for our opinion on the clientele in Montréal in comparison to other places.

 

[Motok]

Thanks Kimi and Nathalia for your inputs.

The disrespect i think is a symptom of our society right now i think, sadly. I have been in the Hotel business for 25 years and i have seen the decline of the "savoir vivre" of the clientele during the years.

This post was not intended to criticize SPs, so please refrain from it. I just wanted to have a feedback on a trend i have been seeing on Twitter mostly, that some are Montreal bashing.

 

[Dixie20]

@Kimi_XO
30% booker fee. In our case, I answer email, screen for security and my Sp well-being and only get paid if the booking went through and my SP is paid

-2400 booker fee 30%

Seems like being a booker is more advantageous than being an SP. Just need to find 1-2 more clients

 

[Julia Sky]

Is the disrespect simply link to the cheapness?

Haha no. It's one part of it, like people who try to negotiate, ask if my pussy is made of gold or tell me "I know the business usually girls charge xx$". But there are many other ways I find Montreal clients to be disrespectful. Fake calls being one of them. Happens a lot more here than anywhere else I've worked for some reason. Insults are also a lot more common. Montreal clients also have a higher rate of not respecting our etiquettes regarding deposits etc.

Not all clients, obviously. But disrespect is common in mtl.

 

[Anna Bijou]

I don't think it's necessary at all to be throwing numbers. Some of us have other income and aren't interested in doing sex work full time and several bookings daily. We all have different reasons and goals.

Some have big financial goals, and some find it convenient to be able to live comfortably while pursuing other interests. Some are disabled and work when their health permits, which means some months are better than others and not something they can predict. Some are in school, single parents, primary caregivers or [insert 1000000 different types of situations, incomes etc]..

Same for expenses; some have expenses like manicures, botox, fillers, tanning, a separate incall space, childcare, medication, and dependents to support. while others have none of these monthly expenses.

So honestly, I don't think it's particularly relevant to throw out numbers that make it seem like that applies to everyone when it's one individual person. I'm really sorry if it's rude of me and I genuinely don't mean any disrespect to anyone however I don't think it's appropriate or necessary to go into detail about amounts. I really dislike this trend where sex workers talk about their income publicly. No one needs to know.