Recession vs. Hourly rate for sexual services. Your opinion...

[Bonclay20]

In 2016 price was about 160hh/220 at a agency. Now it’s about 240-260, it didn’t follow the inflation at all since then. Min wage is 15$/h and you can get a job at every corner. Let’s say you work min wage and have 2k/month left after taxes. Is it worth it to do it at let say 160$ a pop? That’s why you see less new talent or in/out in a very short time compare to before.

Price will increase or quality/service will be minimal. I think we’re better off increasing the price to attract new talent/quality and hobby less. Let’s be honest, they do it for the money and not because the clients are awesome.

 

[Abe Sapien]

I have seen some discounting in ads. Some ads are offering 40 minutes for what they charged for 30 minutes.

 

[Sic92]

What do you consider a good lady?
What do you consider an affordable lady?

I wonder if there’s less Indy ads on announce sites than 2-3 years ago?

A good lady is a SP with decent looks and nice attitude which the price is reasonable. I've encountered many of them from 2015 to 2019.

 

[nothinghere]

Dang a nice escort was about O.3 ounces of gold/hour equivalent cost back 1995-2000. These days it's has dropped to about 0.15 ounces or half hehe.
Obviously supply-demand dynamics play out and disposable income after taxes and cost of living is a significant factor too.
Now that agencies and independent providers advertise globally via internet it attracts crazy global wealth visiting Montreal and really messes with the local market.
Grand Prix week girls are offered thousands by wealthy men for a session.
Then come winter the local Jean-Guy client is hard up for even 240.
I see local indies raising minimums to 500
It's all mystery economics I guess.
I tried a bunch of 240 girls and yea something has changed with the new generation.
Montreal was a "High trust" society years ago. Feel it not so much now.

 

[nothinghere]

This kinda lifestyle doesn't help with pricing.
I wonder how many "Millionaire Playboys" in Montreal?

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[Shantie_mtl]

Why we gonna down ... everything go high...
I'm never shy to spend for quality

* I have high standar and looking for partner who are looking for the same

I spend ish a year

teeth (invisalign) : 11 000$
Nails, creams, eyelashes, injections 10 000$
Adds : 15 000$
Photoshoot including new outfit : 25 000$
Web site : 1 000$
My both rent : 25 000$ half for my incall
Gym trainer : 10 000$
Soon a new surgery : 15 000$ and few months off
All the time, I spend on administration + all the no show who doesn't give me a $
+ all my taxes and hard to clair all that expenses... so I pay big amount of taxes

If I'm sick I don't make money.. self employed

Nothing go down and we charge the price for a reason.

I will never go back go quantity... but quality because it's not human to have sex with 5 men a day ... i take care of myself

 

[Shantie_mtl]

I wouldn't have any problem with paying a bit more every year if the quality of the girls was somewhat the same. But nowadays,it's really difficult to stumble on good deals on sites like LL are no longer good. You spend a lot of time browsing and hoping to find something decent but for the most part it became like finding a needle in a haystack. It results to disappointment and terrible returns on investments.

Where have the good and afforable ladies gone ?

Tryst merb

 

[Shantie_mtl]

I meet girls for only 30min. The cheapest I have met very very recently is 120$/HH.

I can manage to find girls at around 120$/HH to 160$/HH if you are very patient and search enough.

I have found social dates for 120$ and 125$ for an hour also !!!

Another one charge 180$/H for full GFE.

What the girls she gonna do with 180.... she gonna do volume

 

[DouMan]

Prices going down ? In your dreams, it will never happen.

This is a "big boy" hobby with the price tag that goes with it. It's an urge, a physical need. Those who smoke, most of us kept right on smoking no matter the price. Same for other "needs" such as drugs or alcohol.

As for some ladies supposedly offering rebates? I see this more as a red flag which leads me to believe she may be desperate, too desperate. Honestly I even find it sad to see a lady offering rebates as it is too often a sign of low self-esteem. Announcing rebates is a big No-No ladies as you will attract more "low life feeders off misery" than decent customers.

 

[Aflac Duck]

It would be very interesting to have a veteran from here who can tell us about how the industry reacted during 2009-2010 when the economic crisis began. It can give us an idea on where we are heading to.

Going back to 2003-2005 there was a lot of places but a lot of clients. I was told by some ladies back in the last recession around 2009-2010 that things were changing. By 2013-2015 there were multiple massage places on every main street like St. Denis, Ontario
Jean Talon and Cote De Neige.

Things are different now, things are getting worse and there will be ups and downs for several years. The people demographics are changing as well. The baby boomers are retiring and have less money, and there are less millennials to supply the dwindling demand.

 

[nothinghere]

I remember 1995-2010 very well. Soooo many international girls especially Moroccan, Russian, European, etc working escort n Strip clubs. It was nuts.... 140$-160$ super hot escorts available until 3am, 10$ dances clubs full hot young girls. There were so many fun 18-25 year old women in the city just very natural and carefree. So many girls they could really not increase price. It was a safe space city. All I remember in 2008 recession is American visits slowed down in the market downturn.
So funny I remember free Montreal "Mirror" newspaper in the metro stations with the last pages advertising DOZENS of big agencies, damn did I dream that?
That generation of girls has mostly aged and into the workforce or left the city.

The new generational demographics can easily be seen if you take the Montreal metro. I might be negative but the party is over.
This blew my mind:

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Women are more fearful now and I believe in the long run will severely limit nice fun young natural girls doing sex work increasing prices.
Half the clubs are gone. Good luck an escort after 10pm now. What up with that??
Prices in strip clubs are raised not just for inflation but to keep out trouble and undesired clients I hear.
There will be a big safety-fear premium in SW pricing.
Everything now is Exclusive high end Bugatti Top Notch Best of the Best deposit Id required with passport references blah blah I'm out.
This Executive pricing certainly keeps away the riff raff.
Like I mentioned above Montreal is turning into a low trust society.

Now what is this?
A new recession in the making?
A new element in future pricing?

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[Artvandelay_importer]

Like I mentioned above Montreal is turning into a low trust society.

Sad to see Montreal turning into a low trust society. I guess with rising population, crime, income disparity things will never to go back to the good times I guess .

 

[nothinghere]

What the girls she gonna do with 180.... she gonna do volume

Well the girl may choose to see one or two faithful, reliable, regular clients for guaranteed 2-3 hour visits for 150$-180$ hour on a regular basis every few days. I have done this for years and it is a hybrid "sugardaddy/escort/friendship" situation which works quite well frankly. Mostly girls I meet from strip clubs or past escorting. Granted it takes considerable time and expense for this situation to develop.

 

[Fradi]

Why we gonna down ... everything go high...
I'm never shy to spend for quality


All the guy have high standart ...

I have high standart by my side aswell

I spend ish a year

teeth (invisalign) : 11 000$
Nails, creams, eyelashes, injections 10 000$
Adds : 15 000$
Photoshoot including new outfit : 25 000$
Web site : 1 000$
My both rent : 25 000$ half for my incall
Gym trainer : 10 000$
Soon a new surgery : 15 000$ and few months off
All the time, I spend on administration + all the no show who doesn't give me a $

If I'm sick I don't make money.. and I still pay taxes and all my expenses are Hard to put...

Nothing go down and we charge the price for a reason.

I will never go back go quantity... but quality because it's not human to fuck 5 men a day

Isn’t it great that you can afford to spend this much on yourself.
I am just kidding lol. I agree that SP at least the ones you really do want to be with have to spend way more on themselves than a civilian to be able to maintain their clientele. Looks do matter a great deal in this business and maintaining it at a high level doesn’t come cheap.

Personally I have never seen a lady from an agency ( I keep saying Heaven will be the exception but then I drag my feet) I don’t mind the added expense for the right lady and my ATF has been worth every penny and so have all the other Indies I have seen.
Nobody likes price increases including me but obviously men are willing to pay it and prices have increased for everything for the Indies also.
No I do not believe prices will go down they never do, you may get the odd special deals during slow times in the winter especially around Christmas when most people are busy with family and have already over spent on gifts.
Bottom line you see the ones you can afford and you think provide good value.

 

[Rookie0022]

The only way prices go down is if half of you leave this hobby. These women aren't doing this job to make minimum wage. Start cutting other expenses boys

 

[Aflac Duck]

We are just at the start of a slower economy, I suspect we are in for years of ups and downs before we hit better times. When inflation and the job cuts come in there will be less money for everything. There will be some that will not be effected but I suspect that majority of clients will cut back, or cut out. Things will be different a year from now.

 

[Shantie_mtl]

Well the girl may choose to see one or two faithful, reliable, regular clients for guaranteed 2-3 hour visits for 150$-180$ hour on a regular basis every few days. I have done this for years and it is a hybrid "sugardaddy/escort/friendship" situation which works quite well frankly. Mostly girls I meet from strip clubs or past escorting. Granted it takes considerable time and expense for this situation to develop.

I will never tell how many clients I saw...

A lot of sugar baby finish escort..

I have social time customers and they are happy to offer me my rates + give gift... nobody ask me discount... my friends aswell

 

[AlmostMidaged]

The price of everything else has gone up so it would be strange if escort services didn't follow. However, I think prices have gone up higher than expected for individuals who are: "traditionally most desirable". I believe the reason ultimately comes down to less new people choosing escorting, which in turn has allowed those who provide 'good experiences' to corner the market. At present, I think prices can't go any higher because they wouldn't be sustainable to most of the client base. Here, I assume the majority aren't touring so often they can keep their rates at USA prices. Ultimately, I recall some post mentioning agency rates align with inflation so it's whatever. The same applies to Indy because you can't really expect most would only charge $40-50 more ( and even less so if they provide the vaunted CIM and other acronyms to satiate the client's lust). The conceptual pinnacle of being an escort is to do as little work for as much money as possible. Of course you'd still have an industry of traditional escort services even if that Money plateau occurred. Like
there's some sympathetic ladies out there...and those 'out of their prime + less traditionally desirable to the average still exist.

I wish there was a new acronym Indy sometimes advertised called TBE (Teenage Boy Experience). It would include cuddles, dfk, breast play, and hj only. And it would be less expensive than GFE ( the same way GFE is often less expensive than PSE).

 

[Mw66]

It all comes down to supply and demand. Cost is based on the demand. The demand will be there at the top end.

Now the one thing not mentioned - what if supply goes up? What if more girls get into sex work due to recesion, cost of living going up? More signiicantly, the stigma of sex work going away? With more supply, then prices could go down.

The stigma is what creates a high barrier to entry, resulting in a smaller supply that leads it to be lucrative enough for the girls willing to deal with the stigma.

Without the stigma, there would be way more girls in the industry and sw'ers would earn way less.

 

[Anna Bijou]

It all comes down to supply and demand. Cost is based on the demand. The demand will be there at the top end.

Now the one thing not mentioned - what if supply goes up? What if more girls get into sex work due to recesion, cost of living going up? More signiicantly, the stigma of sex work going away? With more supply, then prices could go down.

The stigma is what creates a high barrier to entry, resulting in a smaller supply that leads it to be lucrative enough for the girls willing to deal with the stigma.

Without the stigma, there would be way more girls in the industry and sw'ers would earn way less.

I'm not sure stigma is the most important factor at play. Maybe some would do it if there was no stigma. But this isn't work that everyone can do. Stigma or not, they still wouldn't be able or want to do it.