Request For Moderators' Rules Interpretation/Declaratory Judgment

[EagerBeaver]

Mods-

I noticed a few posters have gotten suspended lately for posting links to a provider who is not a MERB advertiser, and before I meet the same fate and get my own ass suspended, I thought I would start a thread to see if I can post the following kinds of links:

1. To a nonpaid advertiser who is practicing a form of bait and switch, to warn or educate others. Is this permitted?

2. To advertisers in other cities who MERBites might be interested in and will never pay for advertising here because they offer services only in other cities. Is this permitted?

The reason why is that there is a new bait and switch business model being used in New York City, and it is being used with enormous success and I wanted to mention it here on MERB. It turns traditional bait and switch theory, as expounded on by Professors Lionheart and Voyager, totally on its head. In fact I have only seen the rationale used once in the entire history of MERB, by the legendary Mike of ClassXXX who posted a justification for bait and switch, the only such justification I have ever read by any agency on MERB.

What is happening is historical. It is happening in the Russian MP venue in New York City. It's a venue in New York City and Toronto but apparently not in Montreal. But these are trends that are being established in the business in other cities and they may be copied in Montreal, or not.

I would like to post a link to the most successful Russian MP in NYC right now which is using this new bait and switch model. The model is very simple: post pics of similar looking girls, and have the girl who greets you look even better. This agency has now taken over the financial district of NYC using this tactic that only Mike of ClassXXX ever had the balls to try and justify publicly on MERB! It's working for them and the agency has become an underground, UTR sensation in NYC much like Nirvana became a successful underground "garage" band in the late 1980s.

Rules interpretations are requested for these reasons. Thank you.

 

[Ricky bonds]

I thought we were allowed to post links of non advertisers , as long as it's in a review?
And that these guys constantly post the contact info in the 411 or lounge?

 

[Voyager]

EB,

As far as warning the MERB community about this new & improved B&S gimmick, didn't you just do it? What would be the added benefit to posting a link to the NY-based B&S agency?

I'm sure if it were tried here (again), someone would out them.

V

 

[EagerBeaver]

Beav,

I never used classXXX but are you saying that Mike's girls who showed up for the dates actually looked better then the pics he showed on his site because i remember the pictures of his ladies were pretty nice. If the ladies who showed up looked even better then the ones in the pics then why were there so many complaints about his agency. Did the ladies at classXXX actually look better in person or did Mike just claim that they did in trying to defend his agencies methods.

No, I am not saying that. Mike was assailed by some senior members for not posting real pics on one of his ladies, and he claimed it was a "place holder" until he could get real pics and that there was no harm in posting a reasonable facsimile as a "place holder". It's the only time in MERB history I remember an admission of fake pics and a justification being offered for it. It is historically significant.

Voyager, the reason why I wanted to post the link is that the pics on this site are pics similar to what you would see on many Montreal B&S sites - of smoking hot ladies. What I am being told by a number of reliable sources and in fact it is posted on the NYC boards for all to see, is that the real ladies at the agency are even better. I will try said agency for myself in a couple of weeks.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I thought we were allowed to post links of non advertisers , as long as it's in a review?
And that these guys constantly post the contact info in the 411 or lounge?

I am not intending to post a review. I have not been there - yet.

 

[CS Martin]

No, I am not saying that. Mike was assailed by some senior members for not posting real pics on one of his ladies, and he claimed it was a "place holder" until he could get real pics and that there was no harm in posting a reasonable facsimile as a "place holder". It's the only time in MERB history I remember an admission of fake pics and a justification being offered for it. It is historically significant.

Voyager, the reason why I wanted to post the link is that the pics on this site are pics similar to what you would see on many Montreal B&S sites - of smoking hot ladies. What I am being told by a number of reliable sources and in fact it is posted on the NYC boards for all to see, is that the real ladies at the agency are even better. I will try said agency for myself in a couple of weeks.

So would this be considere a "Reverse Bait & Switch" tactic? Kind of like suing yourself isn't it?

 

[protagoras]

For the last five years I've been posting regularly links to Websites or to blogs (where the garotas advertise themselves) in São Paulo, Brazil, without problems. I guess that it's tolerated on this board because it doesn't represent a (commercial) threat to providers here in Montreal.

 

[eastender]

Various Factors

Mods-

I noticed a few posters have gotten suspended lately for posting links to a provider who is not a MERB advertiser, and before I meet the same fate and get my own ass suspended, I thought I would start a thread to see if I can post the following kinds of links:

1. To a nonpaid advertiser who is practicing a form of bait and switch, to warn or educate others. Is this permitted?

2. To advertisers in other cities who MERBites might be interested in and will never pay for advertising here because they offer services only in other cities. Is this permitted?

The reason why is that there is a new bait and switch business model being used in New York City, and it is being used with enormous success and I wanted to mention it here on MERB. It turns traditional bait and switch theory, as expounded on by Professors Lionheart and Voyager, totally on its head. In fact I have only seen the rationale used once in the entire history of MERB, by the legendary Mike of ClassXXX who posted a justification for bait and switch, the only such justification I have ever read by any agency on MERB.

What is happening is historical. It is happening in the Russian MP venue in New York City. It's a venue in New York City and Toronto but apparently not in Montreal. But these are trends that are being established in the business in other cities and they may be copied in Montreal, or not.

I would like to post a link to the most successful Russian MP in NYC right now which is using this new bait and switch model. The model is very simple: post pics of similar looking girls, and have the girl who greets you look even better. This agency has now taken over the financial district of NYC using this tactic that only Mike of ClassXXX ever had the balls to try and justify publicly on MERB! It's working for them and the agency has become an underground, UTR sensation in NYC much like Nirvana became a successful underground "garage" band in the late 1980s.

Rules interpretations are requested for these reasons. Thank you.

EB,

Am quoting your entire post since there are a number of issues that have to be examined.

First the venue and the targeted clients. NYC, financial district. Given the recent spy scandal - Anna Chapman, consideration has to be given to the players involved, who is being targeted and the big picture objective. From this perspective the Bait and Switch elemnet is insignificant. The tactics outlined seem aimed at getting the potential clients to drop their guard.

Comparing Mike to some of the sophisticated Russian players is rather interesting to say the least. Mike should be flattered while the Russians may be highly insulted.

There are bait and switch elements in the scenario you describe. The closest would be a scam that was happening upwards of 40 years ago at various liquidation sales. Basically people would be enticed to bid blindly on a lot. the first or second winner would get a great deal. The following bidders would then raise their bids accordingly and get nailed with the garbage.

Anyway would suggest avoiding the place. Doubt that you need the contacts or the experience.

Links probably will not help. The prudent will avoid without links while those inclined to improvise for the local market may benefit by studying the operation.

 

[protagoras]

Easteneder and Eager Beaver,

I think that you have a point right here. It's important to post links to reliable Websites in order to avoid the ones that are B&S.

I'd like also to add that it's important to warn against Website that heavily use photoshop. In the case of Brazil I think in particular of MClass.

http://www.mclass.com.br/main.jsp

To my knowledge this is maybe the worst case worldwide of phoshopped pictures.

I'd also like to add that in a Brazilian forum there's athread where you can list the Website that are B&S or not reliable.

 

[Voyager]

I`d also like to add that in a Brazilian forum there`s athread where you can list the Website that are B&S or not reliable.

There`s one here too!

 

[protagoras]

There`s one here too!

Thanks, I was not aware of that.

The only problem is that the list is not up to date.

 

[Voyager]

The only problem is that the list is not up to date.

The last post in the thread is from 5hrs ago, regarding a new B&S agency which started advertising 6 days ago... how up-to-date do you want

 

[protagoras]

The last post in the thread is from 5hrs ago, regarding a new B&S agency which started advertising 6 days ago... how up-to-date do you want

Ooooh! Obviously I'm too drunk tonight to make any sensible comments....I'll shut my mouth.

 

[Mod 8]

Hello EB,

There is no problem in posting a link to Bait & Switch operator to warn members to stay away. When it comes to local agencies it is preferred that such links be posted in the B&S thread, but there is no problem starting a thread to inform members of new tactics and using examples to illustrate such.

Protogoras,

It is up to members to keep the B&S thread up to date. Considering the number of such operations in Montreal, and how often they change names, it is a difficult task for anyone to keep up with and we are thankful forall the members who do their best to inform everyone of the B&S operators they come across.

M8

 

[EagerBeaver]

Hey guys,

I want to explain further about my request.

Unlike some of the posters here I read other boards, including the New York boards, and I keep myself up to date with current events and trends in all venues. The Russian MP has become de rigueur in both New York City and in Toronto which are the financial capitals of the USA and Canada, respectively, in case any of you guys don't know that. In NYC for many years you had the Asian MPs in midtown dominating the lower end of the MP scene, and a few Caucasian/South American staffed MPs began to claim the higher end clientele in the financial district. I have been a long time client of several of those establishments. These MPs all operate under the same model, a flat house fee, collected by the girl, which includes her fee, and extras are on top of that. The flat fee gets you a nude sensual HJ and anything else is extra above that.

Slowly, the Russians have seemingly taken over the middle class and high end MP markets. They are doing it with a different business model. First of all, they are using bait and switch tactics but not the same way and not with the same business objectives. They are using a style of bait and switch similar to what we saw implemented by Mike of Class XXX and I believe they are doing it with the following business objective: save money on photography. With the advent of the Internet and photoshopping, these Russians have figured out that it is very easy to heist "place holders" from other websites if the girl looks similar to the girl in the pic. And that is exactly what they are doing. They steal pics from elsewhere that are "representative", but not the actual girls. I am getting very good intel that the actual girls are in most cases hotter than the place holder photos. Therefore the customer does not care about being bait and switched and the MP saves money on photography, just like Eleganza does by shooting his own pics. But in this case the pics are free because they have been taken from other sites.

I have been advised by a long time, veteran NYC MP hobbyist that two of these Russian MPs have emerged from UTR status and are essentially taking over the financial district using these same business plans. They each operate in two different locations, one in midtown and one in the financial sector. This is much like all of the well established caucasian ops that also have two locations, one in midtown and one in FS. The reports that I have gotten, both posted on the boards for the public to see and via the backchannels, is that these MPs are right now the dominant force in the business in NYC, they are getting booked out and they are doing it with bait and switch pics. I think it substantiates my theory that marketing is going underground and word of mouth is still the best marketing any business has, not pics. I will be visiting one of these MPs very soon, and if allowed I will post the link, and if not in due time I will post a review in the Other Cities section with a link.