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Saudi Arabia To Admit Killing Khashoggi

cloudsurf

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Pretty hard to kill someone with interrogation/torture, unless they suffer a heart attack or stroke. Its all bullshit meant to save the 110 billion dollar arms deal.
The orange one couldn`t be happier that there is one less Washington Post reporter alive .
 

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Apparently the Saudi killers of Khashoggi are fans of the TV show “Breaking Bad”, because they used a body disposal technique endorsed in that show: the ole cut it up and throw the pieces in a barrel of acid. That technique works when there’s no other evidence of the murder. They forgot about that part:

Body of missing Saudi journalist was cut into pieces, Turkish official says https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/16/middleeast/khashoggi-turkish-investigation-intl/index.html
 

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There are more interesting issues between Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Someone could end up getting charged with murder by Turkish prosecutors if diplomatic immunity does not extend to staging murders in a foreign consulate. Saudi Arabia will object to the lack of Turkish respect for diplomatic immunity by bugging the Saudi consulate with assorted audio and video devices that enabled Turkish intelligence to ascertain the murder. These are issues that have to be hashed out through diplomacy or the Courts.

The “Rogue Killers” and “Interrogation Gone Awry” spins being floated by Trump and the Saudi government are to deflect pressure to impose sanctions. It’s not really clear to me what would be accomplished other than retaliatory gestures which in the end hurt consumers and not the governments per se.

I am more interested in knowing what the Saudis were thinking. Did they do a bug sweep and think the consulate was free of electronic surveillance? Is their bug sweep guy fired? Was it reasonable to make a decision to murder in the consulate based on a clean bug sweep? Why not wait and then poison Khashoggi with untraceable toxins a la the Russian MO?
 

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Because these F’ers especially MBS have no regrad for human life and human rights. There is soooo much $$$$ in that country and all concentrated with the royal family, especially MBS they do whatever they want. It’s not that they bumble fucked this shit....they just know they will be able to buy their waay out of it. MBS is a winner, told the police force about a year ago he’s gonna be cuttin some of their benefits and then went out and bought a half a BILLION $$ yacht for himself. In 2015 he led a VIP convoy in the “Hajj” ritual which caused a stampede which killed about 700. His dad ordered a investigation, guess who was in charge? MBS. This dude by another 10 years is gonna make ghadaffi, sadaam, Asad all of the Iranian mullahs like school boys. They need to get rid of him.
 

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The Saudis killed one man. I heard Lindsey Graham's condemnation. I do not know what the administration's response will be. However, I do know that the Iranians have been exporting terror of years and that Iranian backed terrorists and insurgents have led to the deaths of thousands of Americans so lets keep this despicable act in perspective.
 

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Actually, I’m not takin the Iranians side but Saudis have slaughtered thousands in Yemen. Have taken very few refugees from Iraq or afghanistan. There’s tons of extremism that festers there in their soil, which they have yet to address other than expelling folks who practice it so they become someone else’s problem, ie 9/11.

To put things in perspective like u said hungry, women have been able to drive in Iran for quite sometime. To me Saudi is just as bad as Iran, if not worse.
 

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Hugh Eakin: The Khashoggi Killing: America’s Part in a Saudi Horror. New York Review of Books, Oct. 18, 2018
https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/10/18/the-khashoggi-killing-americas-part-in-a-saudi-horror

Excerpt:
Shortly after I met al-Qahtani and al-Khair, I asked President Obama’s ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James B. Smith, if the US could help men like them [i.e., people wanting political reforms in a liberal direction]. He explained that human rights were not one of the pillars of the US–Saudi relationship. The ambassador was not being controversial. Since its legendary enshrining by President Franklin Roosevelt and King Abdul Aziz more than seventy years ago, the terms of the unlikely Washington–Riyadh alliance have been clear: in exchange for unfettered access to Saudi oil, the world’s leading advanced democracy would guarantee the security of the world’s most hidebound monarchy. Almost nothing else mattered.

In earlier decades, however, Washington was not shy about using the alliance to promote liberalization. Through the mid-1960s, successive US administrations pushed the monarchy to make modernizing reforms, and in 1962, President Kennedy persuaded the Kingdom to abolish slavery. So active was the State Department in urging the Kingdom to open up politically that King Faisal asked then-US Ambassador Hermann Eilts, “Does the US want Saudi Arabia to become another Berkeley campus?”

All this came to an end with the specter of Arab nationalism and then the 1973 oil embargo. The US needed a reliable partner in Riyadh, regardless of its political coloration. And with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Saudis’ ultraconservative religious establishment became a convenient engine for the US-backed mujahideen.

Paradoxically, the Saudis proved equally indispensable in counterterrorism efforts after September 11, since it was on their soil that extremists like Osama bin Laden had germinated and the US needed Saudi cooperation to hunt them down. At the same time, the monarchy provided a formidable bulwark against Iran, as well as an almost bottomless market for the US defense industry. In return for all that, Washington was more than willing to look the other way when it came to human rights abuses and a political ice age inside the Kingdom.
 

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Clara, you do not need to be smart or sophisticated to purchase, mix and use chemicals that can become corrosive acids that may be used to dissolve body parts. You can find the ingredients at your local Home Depot. You do, however, need to have some basic knowledge of chemistry and know not to try and dissolve the body parts with hydrochloric acid in a bathtub, or else this is what happens:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUFbOAIWjJM
 

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I think they weren't more subtle about it because part of the idea was to send messages they weren't to be fucked with. Also, nothing they have done so far has stuck to them, so why worry?
 

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Considering they have been workshops get their lies in plain view, I see little reason to give this any credence.
 

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Who the hell is running their PR....a 7 year old?
They haven`t produced a body. What`s that excuse ?
Oh yes he was taken to heaven by 15 virgins....or was it 15 assassins flown in by MBS

Even the 3 stooges couldn`t have come up with a more absurd scenario.

Curious to see if Trump accepts their bullshit excuses.
 

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Saudis: Khashoggi Died In Fistfight

The Saudis have now elaborated to say Khashoggi died in a fistfight. I guess it was "Fight Club" night at the Saudi Consulate:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/politics/lawmakers-skepticism-saudi-khashoggi/index.html

Someone should have at least invited Conor McGregor and Khabib Nurmagomedov.

Should we just accept this Saudi statement- a la accepting whatever kaka flowed from Brett Kavanaugh's mouth at his confirmation hearing - or should we ask the Turks to do a full investigation?
 

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Look behind you.
And Justine will continue selling them billions worth of weapons for war. Not an issue when a Liberal does this.
 

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Pretty much every US President has been in bed with the Saudis going back 50-60 years at least. So not really fair to single out Trump for coddling them.
 
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