Seeing SPs in the USA................experiences?

[kaydee1968]

I am considering hooking up with an SP in the USA. However, they seem to be much more concerned about verifying myself - almost every one I have contacted has wanted some form of verification. There is one I really want to see, but she said that she has newbies sign onto a cam website, which tells her that I am legit, because cops cannot join an adult website.

What is your take on this?

 

[curious2012]

Tried one from a yellow pages agency in CT a few years back. She came to my motel without extra Qs. Easy, nice but expensive.

 

[Dorftrottel]

I'm relatively new to "the hobby," and don't hobby in the USA because it's illegal in 49 states, so I maybe don't have that great an understanding of either how things work in the USA now, or how they used to work, but ....

As I understand it much of the demand for intense client screening among SPs in the US is recent, and it arose from a 2009 wave of attacks on SPs in Massachusetts and Rhode Island that were the work of the so-called "Craigslist killer". One SP was killed and two others were the victims of armed robbery. The man who was arrested and charged in the killing committed suicide before he could be brought to trial. Needless to say SPs in these circumstances cannot go to law enforcement for help. (A very good reason why the whole enterprise should be LEGAL in the USA the way it is in most countries that aren't run by religious fanatics. But I digress.)

As far as the SP who has her clients sign on to a cam site...there are a lot of urban legends about what cops in the US can and cannot do while undercover. One example is the oft-repeated canard that a cop is required to answer in the affirmative when directly asked, "Are you a cop?" Sounds like she's bought into some urban legend someone told her a long time ago.

I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be with screening data getting into the hands of the police, if a provider or an agency got busted. It'd be one thing if they were to get the provider's little black book with a fake name and the number of a prepaid "burner" cell phone you paid cash for, but as I understand it a lot of the agencies ask for things like your real name, your employer, etc., etc. That could be disaster, especially given that a few states (MA and IL, I think, maybe some others) have enacted "End Demand" laws that drastically increase the penalties for solicitation. In MA for instance solicitation now carries a potential 2.5 year jail term! Hardly the "pay the bailiff on your way out" public-order crime it used to be. I don't know if that's going to change enforcement priorities in those states any but I wouldn't want to be the test case.

 

[EagerBeaver]

There was a lot of screening going on long before the CL killer. The thing you have to be careful about is screening being used as a front for a con. Screening is legit but I have no idea what this sign on to a cam site is all about. And the stuff about cops not being able to do it is total BS. Cops pose undercover in chatrooms to catch child porners so how is this any different?

There is a very typical screening process in New York City. SP gives you two options: your work info and tel# where she can discreetly call you to verify you are who you say you are, OR two provider references. This is the NYC industry standard screening mechanism. Some clients will not go through it, some will, but it is common with any indy SP. I never heard of a cam site sign in process and my concern would be a scam.

 

[Dewar]

I've been overcharged or disappointed with the SP services in the USA (Las Vegas notwithstanding) so many times that I don't bother any more. Too much hassle for mediocre service, don't waste your money. But if you want a good bang for your buck buy a gun, lots of good deals available at the local corner store.

 

[EagerBeaver]

The arrests of customers in the U.S. seem to be exclusively as a result of soliciting an undercover cop.

This is correct. The guys who are arrested are the guys on the street offering undercover cops $10 for a blow job. There are almost never arrests of clients who patronize outcall agencies. If those agencies are busted, usually only the operators are charged for income tax evasion. The escorts and clients are usually not charged. For example, to use the Emperor's Club as an example, Spitzer and Ashley Dupree never got charged with anything, even though we all know and it can be proven that they had sex for money. The only individuals who got charged were the operators for promoting prostitution and evading incomes taxes.

By the ways, in the 2000-2002 time frame an agency I used in Connecticut was busted. The operator was charged with income tax evasion. I used them twice and they sent ladies to the condo where I lived. I never got a call from anyone, although the bust came probably a year after I last used them and I seriously doubt they kept good records. All that the prosceutors cared about was the operator of the agency making a lot of money and not reporting it as income to the taxing authorities. None of the escorts with the agency got charged.

In the summer of 2001, I saw a young outcall agency escort in Boston who came into my room and the first thing she asked me to do was touch her tits. After I touched her tits she relaxed. She told me Boston cops can't touch a tit. I don't know if this was true or urban legend but I figured her handlers told her to do it so maybe they believed it was an effective screen. It's probably true that an undercover cannot engage in any sex act, although I know they can watch a sex act.

 

[Doc Holliday]

This is correct. The guys who are arrested are the guys on the street offering undercover cops $10 for a blow job. There are almost never arrests of clients who patronize outcall agencies. If those agencies are busted, usually only the operators are charged for income tax evasion.

I've always wondered why not more agencies in Canada aren't busted for these very reasons. I remember a very popular agency in Mtl 10 years ago (allegedly) being busted for this, but very rarely now.

In the summer of 2001, I saw a young outcall agency escort in Boston who came into my room and the first thing she asked me to do was touch her tits. After I touched her tits she relaxed. She told me Boston cops can't touch a tit. It's probably true that an undercover cannot engage in any sex act, although I know they can watch a sex act.

Nothing stops a cop from flatly denying he ever touched the girl's boobs or had sex with her.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Nothing stops a cop from flatly denying he ever touched the girl's boobs or had sex with her.

It doesn't matter, it creates an entrapment defense and it is an embarrassment to the police department, so it isn't happening.

About 5 years ago there was a Connecticut State Trooper who was discovered ripping up speeding tickets in exchange for the violators giving him a blow job. Several young female motorists made complaints. This led to an article in the newspaper and he was swiftly fired. Policemen are expected not to make embarrassments of themselves or put themselves in a position where they have to even defend such a charge.

 

[Maddogwill]

if you choose to join the website and they ask for credit card info just pass its most likely a scam for just videos if you want to try different ways you can get a referral site like p411,datecheck,and roomservice2000 also if a girl doesnt ask for screening info its a big red flag just to show that she probrably upcharge or careless or le and you dont want to get busted for soliciting a prostitute and have your picture posted all over the newspaper the next day

There is one I really want to see, but she said that she has newbies sign onto a cam website, which tells her that I am legit, because cops cannot join an adult website.

 

[Kansas Frank]

Sadly, Montreal SP's no longer tour the US. :help:

I'm saving $$$ to come to Montreal. Hoping and continuing to look for lower flight and hotel packages.:whoo:

 

[Doc Holliday]

Sadly, Montreal SP's no longer tour the US. :help:

It's true that there are fewer & fewer sps touring the US, which is understandable considering the anti-prostitution laws in the U.S. More & more of these sps now prefer heading off to Toronto. In all my years of hobbying, i've never seen so many french-canadian sps in Toronto.

 

[lgna69xxx]

Kaydee,

Simply put, it is very risky as it is totally illegal, and for the most part much more costly and or not gfe or very expensive gfe if you actually find a reputable sp. If you wanna risk arrest or blow alot of cash then go for it, but Montreal is great value and quebecoise ladies are some of the sexiest women in the world. I have dated American women as well as French Canadian women, and lets just say i have a strong preference for the all things Quebec, good luck and make sure you dont "hire" a cop.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Huh i don't understand why you guys would like to go pay a random 500$ for sex in the USA and risk a lot of stuff for nothing. Personally i would like to bang some US pornstars, for exemple Sarah Vandella, i know she work in a brothel before, and she is still offering escort services... but it would mean paying around 800-1000$ just for her an hour, tickets for plane or train or whatever, over piced hotel there... Damn... but it would be Sarah Vandella.... so well if i was rich...

Madison Ivy is also one i would love to see, but i don't know if she escort.

 

[daydreamer41]

It doesn't matter, it creates an entrapment defense and it is an embarrassment to the police department, so it isn't happening.

Excuse me, counselor. I don't understand about entrapment defense in the situation of an undercover putting his hand on a woman's breast.

How is he entrapping her? Her intent is to sell sex regardless of the hand on the breast. All a cop has to do in that situation is to discuss money and what he will get for the money, and there's the transaction. What does putting the hand on the breast change anything?

I always thought entrapment was if the person being entrapped had no intention of committing the crime, transaction in this case, and the cop approaches her, badges her, until she accepts. That's entrapment.

But where a woman advertises it, a cop is not entrapping her if he answers her ad. Her intent is clear.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Excuse me, counselor. I don't understand about entrapment defense in the situation of an undercover putting his hand on a woman's breast.

How is he entrapping her? Her intent is to sell sex regardless of the hand on the breast. All a cop has to do in that situation is to discuss money and what he will get for the money, and there's the transaction. What does putting the hand on the breast change anything?

I always thought entrapment was if the person being entrapped had no intention of committing the crime, transaction in this case, and the cop approaches her, badges her, until she accepts. That's entrapment.

But where a woman advertises it, a cop is not entrapping her if he answers her ad. Her intent is clear.

First of all a cop cannot engage in a sex act or sexual touching. Second by engaging in a sex act or even sexual touching, with money never having been discussed, the person can argue that once that occurred, their intentions were directed by the other person. The point is you do not create any kind of way that someone can argue entrapment. Any initial touching can lead to that defense.

Keep in mind there was absolutely no discussion of money at that point in time when the girl asked me to touch her. The girl walked in my door and asked me to touch her tit. Money had not been discussed at all, I had never met this girl before and those were in fact the 1st words out of her mouth when she walked in my hotel room door. She directed the conversation and it was clear nothing was going to happen until her tit was touched. No further conversation was going to happen about anything, period, I am certain if I refused to touch her tit and started talking money she would have walked out. You can make up any facts you want. but the above is what actually happened and it is how pros operated. And if I did what you suggested this girl was walking out.

The girl it occurred with was an outcall agency escort and a student at Salem State, not a streetwalker or indy. It was an agency called Boston Bad Girls. I think they went out of business a long time ago.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Well i find it rather arousing the girl said that first... i think i would had been like "ok mam" with a big smile

 

[EagerBeaver]

Well i find it rather arousing the girl said that first... i think i would had been like "ok mam" with a big smile

I complied with the request and enjoyed obliging her request. In fact it did arouse me and got the session off on the right foot.

 

[CaptRenault]

Despite what some guys say about Vegas ("don`t bother"), I manged to have a fun time there last December. Since it was my first trip to Vegas, maybe it was beginner`s luck.

I don`t recommend Vegas as a "destination" place for hobbying (like Germany and Montreal) , but if you find yourself there for other reasons, it`s worth a try to find someone to your liking. It`s a gambling town, so don`t be afraid to gamble. Just understand that the odds are not in your favor.

Of course, my friend Rick does make sure that the odds are in my favor when I visit his place, but that`s another story.

 

[gerbera]

As others have said, verification websites seem to be the way to go in the US. In many cases also, if you can provide referrals from other SPs that will work as well.

As for quality SPs in the US, I would disagree that Amercian SPs are inferior. My number one absolute ATF, now sadly retired, was based out of San Francisco and with rates comparable to Toronto. There were many similar quality SPs based out of the Bay Area and southern California.

 

[evillethings]

sounds like so much trouble... just pay the fee and visit hobbyland.
there are plenty of conferences in town throughout the end so that's your excuse to visit MTL when the customs agents talk to you.