Shootings In Boutique Near Hotel Intercontinental
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According to some reports I've read, the attempted killing of Ducarme (the boutique owner/street gang leader who escaped but 2 bodyguards were killed) might be related to the Dec. 2009 murder of Nick Rizzuto Jr. – son of former Montreal Mafia boss Vito Rizzuto (who is now in jail in the US).
The murder of Rizzuto Jr., combined with the fact that so many Hells Angels have been sent to jail, has left a power vacuum in Montreal's organized crime world. This latest attmpted killing might be revenge for the killing of Rizzuto Jr (assuming that Ducarme was involved with that) or it might be just another move by one gang against another in the struggle for power.
The killers were certainly brazen, but they seem like amateurs because they left plenty of evidence and there were lots of witnesses. The fact that the intended victim, Ducarme, escaped and survived is further evidence that the killers were amateurs, probably gang-bangers. However, that doesn't mean that the people behind the crime were amateurs. They just used some dumb, incompetent killers.
This is a link to a photo of the girl who designs some of the clothes in the boutique owned by Ducarme (she might be Ducarme's girlfriend?):
Cheryl (AKA Chery) Bailey Remy
It's kind of weird that there's a gangsta-owned boutique in Old Montreal. Maybe Ducarme thought he would be safe hanging out there (while probably laundering money from drug sales through the store's books)...I guess he wasn't so safe, but he did survive.
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Some interesting info about the boutique from Le Devoir:
Selon les voisins, cette boutique était peu fréquentée et parfois fermée pendant les heures ouvrables. Plusieurs déduisent que des activités illicites pouvaient y avoir cours.
Translation: According to neighbors, the boutique had few customers and was sometimes closed during normal hours. Several concluded that illegal activities might have been going on there.
Hmm...so Old Montreal turned out to be a very strange location for a gangsta-owned boutique. This story will only get better.
Selon les voisins, cette boutique était peu fréquentée et parfois fermée pendant les heures ouvrables. Plusieurs déduisent que des activités illicites pouvaient y avoir cours.
Translation: According to neighbors, the boutique had few customers and was sometimes closed during normal hours. Several concluded that illegal activities might have been going on there.
Hmm...so Old Montreal turned out to be a very strange location for a gangsta-owned boutique. This story will only get better.
It's possible that it could have been a front. That could explain the sparse business hours.
Was that store in the Centre De Commerce Mondial?
That whole mall and surrounding area has, like, bankers hours.
Was that store in the Centre De Commerce Mondial?
That whole mall and surrounding area has, like, bankers hours.
From Friday's Gazette:
Cops probe Mafia link in double slaying
2 killed in gangland-style attack in Old Montreal; shop owner Joseph Ducarme has lengthy criminal record
By SUE MONTGOMERY, Gazette Justice Reporter
March 19, 2010 7:55 AM
MONTREAL – On paper, he is the owner of a high-end fashion boutique on St. Jacques St. W. in Old Montreal.
But behind the designer frocks and accessories are a criminal record dating back to 1987 - for armed assault, weapons possession and sexual assault - a sideline job as a loan enforcer and a need for a personal bodyguard.
Thursday afternoon, Joseph Ducarme, 41, survived a brazen midday shooting inside his Old Montreal shop that left two people dead.
Ducarme managed to flee the building and, as of last night, was still missing - as were the two gunmen. It is not known whether he was injured in the attack.
Ducarme's bodyguard, Peter Christopoulos, and an unidentified man were killed. Two other men were injured. One of them managed to flee the scene and drive himself to the hospital.
Ducarme is out on $50,000 bail for a charge of assault and was under orders not to communicate with street gang members...
Cops probe Mafia link in double slaying
2 killed in gangland-style attack in Old Montreal; shop owner Joseph Ducarme has lengthy criminal record
By SUE MONTGOMERY, Gazette Justice Reporter
March 19, 2010 7:55 AM
MONTREAL – On paper, he is the owner of a high-end fashion boutique on St. Jacques St. W. in Old Montreal.
But behind the designer frocks and accessories are a criminal record dating back to 1987 - for armed assault, weapons possession and sexual assault - a sideline job as a loan enforcer and a need for a personal bodyguard.
Thursday afternoon, Joseph Ducarme, 41, survived a brazen midday shooting inside his Old Montreal shop that left two people dead.
Ducarme managed to flee the building and, as of last night, was still missing - as were the two gunmen. It is not known whether he was injured in the attack.
Ducarme's bodyguard, Peter Christopoulos, and an unidentified man were killed. Two other men were injured. One of them managed to flee the scene and drive himself to the hospital.
Ducarme is out on $50,000 bail for a charge of assault and was under orders not to communicate with street gang members...
The problem with these gang-related shootings is they can happen anywhere a gang member can be found. If the mark is at Queue-De-Cheval and the hit man can get in and out easy, that is where the hit will happen, same as if the mark was at McDonald or at seedy bar. That type of peoples don't advertise they are gang members when they want to be discrete, the guy sitting beside you at the restaurant yesterday was maybe a mafioso and you will never know.
I would agree with you fully!! I mean it's not like there are knifings on De La Montagne or anything! And I haven't had a begger start waiving their arms and cussing at me at 7am in front of The Vogue in over a year now. I'm happy.
After all those street beggars in montreal are really, really scary. You can't make this stuff up
No, not scarry.......Just REALLY REALLY TACKY!!!! And I could even handle the knifings if I was allowed use my concealed weapons permit and my Glock. See although I'm not trained in knife fighting, I am trained in the use of a firearm. But in Canada the only ones with guns and knives are the Bank of Montreal Cops and the criminals in front of The Vogue on De La Montagne. But, no this really doesn't scare me away either. What does make me give me caution is what is not being discussed on this board......
My sense in the last 10 years is that Montreal has went from being a fairly safe city to one that is not. I think as much to do with the power vacuum and the street thugs that have moved in.
Just my observation. At least I felt much more comfortable at night 10 years ago than now.
Just my observation. At least I felt much more comfortable at night 10 years ago than now.
No, really Montreal is as safe as it ever was!! It's just your imagination working overtime. jj is right, it's the same as every other city.
In Montreal, when somebody tries to kill you, the police arrest you if they can't find the killers.
Just Kidding!
Obviously, the police had good reason to arrest Ducarme. But maybe the police should have been all over this guy before this week. Based on the news reports about this case, it seems to be common knowledge that he is an important street-gang leader who has been working hard to expand his territory and power.
Montreal shop owner arrested after slayings
Masked suspects gun down 2 men, wound 2 others in targeted killing
Last Updated: Friday, March 19, 2010 | 4:44 PM ET
CBC News
Just Kidding! Obviously, the police had good reason to arrest Ducarme. But maybe the police should have been all over this guy before this week. Based on the news reports about this case, it seems to be common knowledge that he is an important street-gang leader who has been working hard to expand his territory and power.
Montreal shop owner arrested after slayings
Masked suspects gun down 2 men, wound 2 others in targeted killing
Last Updated: Friday, March 19, 2010 | 4:44 PM ET
CBC News
Montreal police arrested the owner of a clothing boutique where deadly shootings took place as homicide detectives finished combing through the blood-spattered crime scene Friday.
Police did not immediately identify the suspect, but said a 41-year-old man had been arrested and was accused of violating bail conditions.
Police sources said the man arrested was Ducarme Joseph, who owns Flawnego, a high-end boutique on St-Jacques Street in Old Montreal, where two men were killed and two more were injured on Thursday.
He is scheduled to appear in court on Saturday to be arraigned...
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/s...treal-shooting-retaliation.html#ixzz0iesMPQ6A
Police did not immediately identify the suspect, but said a 41-year-old man had been arrested and was accused of violating bail conditions.
Police sources said the man arrested was Ducarme Joseph, who owns Flawnego, a high-end boutique on St-Jacques Street in Old Montreal, where two men were killed and two more were injured on Thursday.
He is scheduled to appear in court on Saturday to be arraigned...
Bonjour à tous,
I thought I would borrow the quote above from another thread with the same concerns since it seems somewhat applicable here.
Since 2001 I have made nearly 25 trips to Montreal. Generally I've walked alone in every district there is in the city from north to south and east to west at one time or another. I have walked alone late at night a number of times well north on St. Laurent before I heard about how it is there at night. After all that time in all those places I've never encountered any problem of any kind anywhere despite having been in many of the areas cited as troublesome or dangerous. Let me say I just have never had the kind of luck that keeps me out of trouble, so if Montreal is all that bad then how is all this trouble hiding so well from me??? I've seen criminal incidents of one sort or another in other cities like New York, Boston, Providence, Philadelphia and in places I have visited much less than Montreal. Yet, I have not seen it there.
In my view the incident that motivated this thread is being used as a convenient opportunity to rehash the same arguments and grievances that everyone has wherever they live. There's nothing particularly wrong with that, but it can get out of proportion...like now. Any murder is tragic. It's not comforting to hear that this kind of thing is an inevitable part of what happens in cities or any place, but it is inevitable. So saying this terrible event is representative of what Montreal is looks like a joke to me. Of course there are gangs, there is organized crime, and petty crime in general. But if it is as bad as some indicate the trouble is doing an incredible job of eluding me when I am there. So, even if something does happen to me one day it won't change the fact that overall Montreal is a fine and generally safe city; better than most in the world. This kind of thing happens and will happen again. It's horrible when is does, but it doesn't mean the world is falling apart. It just proves there are always some terrible people among us. That's life...not the end of the world.
Cheers,
Merlot
I have to say that this thread is the biggest load of emotional garbage I've seen in a long time. As someone who grew up in Montreal and lived there for the first 30 years of my life and then moved to Toronto my two cents are:
Montreal is a great city, perhaps not as idylic as it was in Expo 67 or during the '76 Olympics but a hell of a lot better than it was in the late '80's and early '90's when the effects of the language laws and seperatist movement seemed to have the greatest negative economic impact.
The City has made a remarkable comeback from 15 to 20 years ago when office high-rise buildings sat unfinished on Rene Levesque for years and A Loue was on every second storefront on St Catherines.
There was a lot of building downtown after y2k and the financial community became vibrant. Montreal narrowly avoided becoming a rust bucket city like so many in the US. But now its as good as it ever was - ok maybe the roads are still an issue
I thought I would borrow the quote above from another thread with the same concerns since it seems somewhat applicable here.
Since 2001 I have made nearly 25 trips to Montreal. Generally I've walked alone in every district there is in the city from north to south and east to west at one time or another. I have walked alone late at night a number of times well north on St. Laurent before I heard about how it is there at night. After all that time in all those places I've never encountered any problem of any kind anywhere despite having been in many of the areas cited as troublesome or dangerous. Let me say I just have never had the kind of luck that keeps me out of trouble, so if Montreal is all that bad then how is all this trouble hiding so well from me??? I've seen criminal incidents of one sort or another in other cities like New York, Boston, Providence, Philadelphia and in places I have visited much less than Montreal. Yet, I have not seen it there.
In my view the incident that motivated this thread is being used as a convenient opportunity to rehash the same arguments and grievances that everyone has wherever they live. There's nothing particularly wrong with that, but it can get out of proportion...like now. Any murder is tragic. It's not comforting to hear that this kind of thing is an inevitable part of what happens in cities or any place, but it is inevitable. So saying this terrible event is representative of what Montreal is looks like a joke to me. Of course there are gangs, there is organized crime, and petty crime in general. But if it is as bad as some indicate the trouble is doing an incredible job of eluding me when I am there. So, even if something does happen to me one day it won't change the fact that overall Montreal is a fine and generally safe city; better than most in the world. This kind of thing happens and will happen again. It's horrible when is does, but it doesn't mean the world is falling apart. It just proves there are always some terrible people among us. That's life...not the end of the world.
Cheers,
Merlot
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BS, I said I dont feel as comfortable as I did 10 years ago, its total BS to say I am wrong. How I feel is how I feel, nothing right or wrong about it. However to say my feelings are wrong is truly wrong.
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The stats show that Montreal is very safe relative to other North American cities, especially US cities.
However, Montreal is not immune to continent-wide patterns of migration.
The gang problem has been slowly on the rise, as immigrant communities grow.
Now, with the vacuum created by eliminating the more well established organized crime rings, the street gangs will come in and reap the profits.
And it is more difficult to infiltrate these gangs as they are often young and minorities.
Perhaps there will come a point where Montreal elects a Guiliani-style mayor who cleans up Montreal.
I don't think the rise and fall of lawlessness will be as dramatic as New York, but there could be a slower, more gradual pattern for Montreal.
However, Montreal is not immune to continent-wide patterns of migration.
The gang problem has been slowly on the rise, as immigrant communities grow.
Now, with the vacuum created by eliminating the more well established organized crime rings, the street gangs will come in and reap the profits.
And it is more difficult to infiltrate these gangs as they are often young and minorities.
Perhaps there will come a point where Montreal elects a Guiliani-style mayor who cleans up Montreal.
I don't think the rise and fall of lawlessness will be as dramatic as New York, but there could be a slower, more gradual pattern for Montreal.
Maybe one day, but it's not happening now. People close to Mayor Tremblay have been saying to the media that the mayor himself has feared that harm may come to him and/or his family (from members of organized crime) during his tenure as the city's mayor.
On another note, a few years ago, i was sitting at the HRC with a buddy of mine one Sunday evening when we suddenly saw two muscle-bound goons from Winnies' security staff chasing a small black gangbanger type across the street. They caught up to him right next to us at the sidewalk, grabbing him and bodyslamming onto the sidewalk. They then both began cursing at him and kicking him multiple times until our waitress started screaming at them to leave the guy alone. Their roid rage dissipating, they stopped, looked around at the shocked spectators, and went back to the club. The black guy slowly got back on his feet & limped back towards Ste-Catherine street, holding his ribs. A few minutes later, the cops arrived, began blocking off Crescent street to traffic, and i told my buddy to pay our food bill a.s.a.p and get the hell out of that area or else we'd wind up getting involved with this mess.
For myself, i've found Mtl becoming more violent randomly over the past few years.....who knows, maybe it's because the street gangs have become more powerful since the bikers have been literally dismantled & their leaders sent off to jail.
Jean Drapeau aided by Pax Plante, the Caron Commission about fifty years ago fit the description.
Interesting note about the street gangs. Most started in the small independent municipalities - Montreal Nord, etc before the municipal mergers or off island - Laval, Longueuil, etc.
Has anyone done a statistical analysis of the incidence of crime to that of reporting of said crimes in Montreal vs. other North American Cities? My anedotal evidence suggests crime in Montreal is underreported with the encouragement of the police establishment.
There is probably something to be said about the underreporting of crime in cities whose populations are policed by cops who are perceived to be donut munching morons. If the perception is that the police are not vigilant and aggressive, suspected criminal activity will go unreported because the average citizen feels as though he is wasting his time to call the cops.
The Montreal police are not doing a good job in controlling the media's reporting on this case. Today there is an article in the Montreal Gazette in which a local expert on gang activity is quoted as basically saying the new breed of gangster in Montreal is "hot headed" and "less disciplined" - the suggestion being that brazen and random violence, in the middle of the downtown and perhaps involving innocent bystanders, is soon to become a common event. See this article:
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Montreal+street+gangs+evolving/2706779/story.html
Why isn't Oliver whatever his name of the Montreal PD or some other member of the Montreal PD being quoted about trends in gang violence? Are they not supposed to be the experts?
One of the things I read is one of the persons wounded in the boutique shooting was an electrician working in the store. I can only assume, without knowing more, that this electrician was a hard working man just doing his job. If so, it's sad that he got shot while doing it. Whether you are a local like Eastender, or a tourist like CS Martin, if you are taking an innocent walk and breathing the fresh air on St. Jacques, and minding your own business, I would think you would have an interest in not getting caught in a crossfire and shot, or perhaps run over by a getaway vehicle.
The reporting on this story in the Montreal media leaves a lot of disturbing unanswered questions. There is also a question in my mind as to why this boutique owner was arrested, was it because he was violating bail, for his own protection or because the prosecutors hope to leverage these charges for information to support additional charges/prosecutions against other persons? I read these articles and it is much more difficult for me to read between the lines on these stories when they happen in Canada, than when they do in the USA.
The Montreal police are not doing a good job in controlling the media's reporting on this case. Today there is an article in the Montreal Gazette in which a local expert on gang activity is quoted as basically saying the new breed of gangster in Montreal is "hot headed" and "less disciplined" - the suggestion being that brazen and random violence, in the middle of the downtown and perhaps involving innocent bystanders, is soon to become a common event. See this article:
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Montreal+street+gangs+evolving/2706779/story.html
Why isn't Oliver whatever his name of the Montreal PD or some other member of the Montreal PD being quoted about trends in gang violence? Are they not supposed to be the experts?
One of the things I read is one of the persons wounded in the boutique shooting was an electrician working in the store. I can only assume, without knowing more, that this electrician was a hard working man just doing his job. If so, it's sad that he got shot while doing it. Whether you are a local like Eastender, or a tourist like CS Martin, if you are taking an innocent walk and breathing the fresh air on St. Jacques, and minding your own business, I would think you would have an interest in not getting caught in a crossfire and shot, or perhaps run over by a getaway vehicle.
The reporting on this story in the Montreal media leaves a lot of disturbing unanswered questions. There is also a question in my mind as to why this boutique owner was arrested, was it because he was violating bail, for his own protection or because the prosecutors hope to leverage these charges for information to support additional charges/prosecutions against other persons? I read these articles and it is much more difficult for me to read between the lines on these stories when they happen in Canada, than when they do in the USA.
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