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Giselle Montreal

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"Après avoir présenté ses excuses à la victime par texto [...]"

"C’est vrai que je t’ai offensée, mais ce n’est pas la fin du monde."

Non mais, quelle ordure. S'il continue à ne pas prendre de médicaments, ça me dérangera pas tant que ça.

Vive le condom.
 

martell

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Scaring people with hiv in the escort world is not going to work. Escort and clients are going to get chlam or gono dozen of times before they ever heard of someone who *might* have caught hiv. HIV is about: bareback receptive anal sex, sexual violence (rape wo lubrification), sharing needles, sex (unprotected) with people from hiv endemic region.
 
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Valentina

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This isn’t about scaring people but moreso informing people. Sure, I agree that HIV isn’t as easily contracted. However other STI’s are. How many times is being careless okay before it gets serious and starts affecting escorts or you clients? This outlook is pretty reckless and careless. It’s the same as the “jump off a cliff argument”. Just because everyone does it, you don’t have to. But hey. Me no es tu mama.

PS. Being the type to just pop a pill for a treatable std or sti is all cool and dandy till you develop a resistance to said medication. There are limits IMO. But. Yeah I guess some people don’t care enough to be safe?
 
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Giselle Montreal

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Escort and clients are going to get chlam or gono dozen of times before they ever heard of someone who *might* have caught hiv. HIV is about: bareback receptive anal sex, sexual violence (rape wo lubrification), sharing needles, sex (unprotected) with people from hiv endemic region.
It's possible to pass HIV with a penis in a vagina while making love, you know. Misinformation doesn't help either. It's not as easily contracted as Valentina says, but it's not that uncommon either.

I mean, she was in love with the guy ffs (let me translate the article above for you):

"Luc Privatte Noubissi pleaded guilty last year to a charge of causing injury to a woman through criminal negligence. The 31-year-old man from Saint-Hubert had been aware of his HIV-positive status since 2014. Crucially, he also knew he needed to take medication but failed to do so.

Moreover, he never disclosed his status to the woman he was seeing. After several months of unprotected sexual relations, the victim began experiencing respiratory problems and severe fatigue.
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I can understand (but still judge) SPs that agree to it but clients???! No I don’t understand at all.
I feel the same.

I would never offer BBFs and I think it's a huge threat to the community, but I'm not in a place where I can judge SP's for their practices unless they have a high degree of privilege. Honestly I think it's the client's fault. The number of times that clients have tried to manipulate me and other SP's into offering BBFs is shocking, and it's nothing new. The problem is on the clients side. Some SP's are one client away from being homeless and might give in at a time like this.

Whenever we get asked for BBFs, at least in my case, it's during slow months or during a period where the SP appears more vulnerable. We all know a lot of clients here are looking for the cheapest deals with SP's who are not well established, and with the least boundaries possible. Not only that but we know boundaries may be crossed and some sort of relationship with poorly defined parameters could develop between a very manipulative client and a SP, specially in a context of someone being a sugar baby honestly..
 
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martell

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It's possible to pass HIV with a penis in a vagina while making love, you know. Misinformation doesn't help either. It's not as easily contracted as Valentina says, but it's not that uncommon either.

I mean, she was in love with the guy ffs (let me translate the article above for you):

"Luc Privatte Noubissi pleaded guilty last year to a charge of causing injury to a woman through criminal negligence. The 31-year-old man from Saint-Hubert had been aware of his HIV-positive status since 2014. Crucially, he also knew he needed to take medication but failed to do so.

Moreover, he never disclosed his status to the woman he was seeing. After several months of unprotected sexual relations, the victim began experiencing respiratory problems and severe fatigue.
"
That story is a good example of what im saying: months of unprotected sex with an african who WILLINGLY did not take his meds, and will go to jail. It took a compounding of all these factors to produce an unlikely event that made the news.
 

martell

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This isn’t about scaring people but moreso informing people. Sure, I agree that HIV isn’t as easily contracted. However other STI’s are. How many times is being careless okay before it gets serious and starts affecting escorts or you clients? This outlook is pretty reckless and careless. It’s the same as the “jump off a cliff argument”. Just because everyone does it, you don’t have to. But hey. Me no es tu mama.

PS. Being the type to just pop a pill for a treatable std or sti is all cool and dandy till you develop a resistance to said medication. There are limits IMO. But. Yeah I guess some people don’t care enough to be safe?
Not all bacterial sti develop antibiotic resistance. Chlam antibiotic resistance is almost unheard of, and those super resistant gono are also super rare.

Second, this is the same as covid vaccine: if the condom works, why do you care about other people taking risks since you use a condom anyway.

Ultimately, you have no right to tell people what is the acceptable risks they can take for their fun. Especially with only a superficial understanding of these risks.
 

Giselle Montreal

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That story is a good example of what im saying: months of unprotected sex with an african who WILLINGLY did not take his meds, and will go to jail. It took a compounding of all these factors to produce an unlikely event that made the news.
You can't know that it took months to contract it. She might have contracted it the first time he penetrated her, it can take up to six months for HIV to be detectable, and symptomatic.
 

Valentina

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Not all bacterial sti develop antibiotic resistance. Chlam antibiotic resistance is almost unheard of, and those super resistant gono are also super rare.

Second, this is the same as covid vaccine: if the condom works, why do you care about other people taking risks since you use a condom anyway.

Ultimately, you have no right to tell people what is the acceptable risks they can take for their fun. Especially with only a superficial understanding of these risks.

Yikes, sir. Big big yikes.

One on one people can do wtv the fuck they want between themselves or within a group. When it implies a whhhoooooole ass community of hobbyists and workers it’s a different story. I don’t understand what you don’t understand but okay lmao.

If you like playing Russian roulette. Very cool for you. However, I do have a right to inform of safety measures when it concerns me. Sorry I give a fuck about my bob n vagene.

If you like BBFS then join the Dollarama version of merb or something and go underground. Coz I aint careless like you.

If you don’t care about your PP then cool also.

This serves as a reminder. Along with my usual reminders and postings to get tested whilst in the industry. Both SPs and clients have a due diligence to do so.
 
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martell

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Yikes, sir. Big big yikes.
One on one people can do wtv the fuck they want between themselves or within a group. When it implies a whhhoooooole ass community of hobbyists and workers it’s a different story. I don’t understand what you don’t understand but okay lmao.
How does it affect the people using condom exactly? Same zealots as the covid vaccine zealots. Just let people live their life and protect yourself consequently.
 

martell

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You can't know that it took months to contract it. She might have contracted it the first time he penetrated her, it can take up to six months for HIV to be detectable, and symptomatic.
True, but we also dont know if they engaged in anal sex. Still an exceptional case. Her "boyfriend" is mentally challenged for not taking his med and having unprotected sex with her with no regard to the consequence. But somehow she fell in love with that person... Ok
 

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Honestly I think it's the client's fault. The number of times that clients have tried to manipulate me and other SP's into offering BBFs is shocking, and it's nothing new. The problem is on the clients side. Some SP's are one client away from being homeless and might give in at a time like this.
The clients asking for this service are obviously the biggest part of the problem, but to not hold SPs accountable for their actions (either proactively offering or reactively agreeing to BBFS) is absolutely wild.
Based on this argument, everyone taking a bribe or payment to do something that could harm others (e.g. falsifying safety inspection reports, approving untested drugs) can just shift the blame to the person who offered the money because they were in a susceptible situation.

I think it's fine to show understanding for someone's action but this does not remove their guilt or accountability.
 

Valentina

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The clients asking for this service are obviously the biggest part of the problem, but to not hold SPs accountable for their actions (either proactively offering or reactively agreeing to BBFS) is absolutely wild.
Based on this argument, everyone taking a bribe or payment to do something that could harm others (e.g. falsifying safety inspection reports, approving untested drugs) can just shift the blame to the person who offered the money because they were in a susceptible situation.

I think it's fine to show understanding for someone's action but this does not remove their guilt or accountability.
100%
 

Sylar

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Asking about establishments or individual SPs that offer BBFS is a catch-22 as well. I have done so on several occasions to cross them off my list, after I was made aware that some of the places (without any details) I frequent offered this.
But of course most people are unwilling to share where these practices take place, as there are those who specifically inquire for such services. I have significantly scaled down my activity since as there is really no telling what is safe.
 

Valentina

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Yall are crazy thinking for thinking there's a correlation between iq and sti infections when you engage in this hobby. Are we ready to talk about BBBJ, DATY yet ?? A few SP told me about their oral stis and that's also a reality.
Literally looking at my screen like this:

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