STD risks

[George W Bush]

Most posters here at merb know that there are inherent risks with this hobby. And yet we still partake. I have had a recent experience with STDs that I think is worthwhile to share. I’m not sure how it will go over as it seems okay to discuss STDs in a hypothetical or theoretical sense, but as soon as we get to specific, it can be very threatening to the business end of things.

I have been diagnosed with chlamydia or unspecified infection, as of last Tuesday. I was with a girl 10 days before that, and I believe that I got the chlamydia from her as she has been my only sexual contact within that 2 week period. They made the diagnosis of chlamydia based on symptoms of discharge, a white blood cell presence in the discharge and burning during urination. So I am taking antibiotics for chlamydia or other unspecified infection. I should add that the full lab tests will not be back for 10 days, roughly the end of the coming week.

We used a condom, but she gave me a . When I told that to the clinic people who diagnosed me, they said I should notify her as she may not be aware that her throat is infected.

I went to the website of the agency where the girl is employed, and sent them an email with the information I have provided here thus far, and advising that the girl get checked. I did that the same day I was at the clinic, last Tuesday. I have not heard back from them. I guess it is not surprising that they have not responded, as to put anything in writing could be very bad for business for them.

Some of you will have noticed that I am a new member with no posting history. I do not live in Montreal and only come here occasionally. I do not make use of merb regularly. I do, however have a posting history at another board and found my way to merb through that board. I specifically registered here to make this post. After registering, I sent a pm to the escort agency in question, with the same information as my email. I still have received no response.

The escort agency is an advertiser here on merb. They post the ladies who will be working in the advertisers section. I can see that the lady in question is still working for them, in spite of my warnings. I wonder how many s she will give this weekend.

Something to consider: my lab tests are not back. I have been on antibiotics for chlamydia since Tuesday but my symptoms persist. Yesterday, I went back to the clinic and was told that perhaps it is a urinary infection, which is quite rare for a male, or it could be something with my prostate. I was given a second broad spectrum antibiotic that would cover those 2 possibilities. And they will contact me when the lab results come back at the end of the week if the results are positive for an STD.

So it is a bit of a mystery what is going on with me. My symptoms are still present, as of today. I have been on the second antibiotic only 24 hours. I do not know conclusively what I have.

So be careful with your health. I am living a painful existence right now and am hoping the antibiotics will kick in quickly.

-Dubya-

 

[kill_shill]

If you recieve no response from the agency, and see that the girl is still providing escort services and is currently available for bookings (i.e. she did not take time off), then you should let us know who she is.

But that is your choice...

 

[George W Bush]

If you recieve no response from the agency, and see that the girl is still providing escort services and is currently available for bookings (i.e. she did not take time off), then you should let us know who she is.

But that is your choice...

I don't think the thread will last 10 minutes if I name names. It is, after all, my word against the agency's. But I think the question you raise is extremely relevant.

 

[kill_shill]

I don't think the thread will last 10 minutes if I name names. It is, after all, my word against the agency's. But I think the question you raise is extremely relevant.

I would suggest if you recieve PM's for info, you should provide the people who request the information.

 

[centaurus]

There are two types of agency owners in this business:

1. Those who try to fix the problem once they hear about it (e.g. Peter with Claudia)

2. Those who sweep the problem under the rug and try to avoid it at all.

I expect that all the agency owners who post on MERB belong to the first category and will do the right thing.

That is finding which girl the poster is referring to and where she works – either thru public or private channels. Then give the agency owner and the girl ample time to fix the problem on their own terms, if it really exists (e.g., a note from the clinic that the thing is gone).

 

[George W Bush]

There are two types of agency owners in this business:

1. Those who try to fix the problem once they hear about it (e.g. Peter with Claudia)

2. Those who sweep the problem under the rug and try to avoid it at all.

I expect that all the agency owners who post on MERB belong to the first category and will do the right thing.

That is finding which girl the poster is referring to and where she works – either thru public or private channels. Then give the agency owner and the girl ample time to fix the problem on their own terms, if it really exists (e.g., a note from the clinic that the thing is gone).

I'm not sure I understand your point centaurus. In this case, the owners surely are aware of the problem. They have not responded to my warnings and the girl remains working for them. btw, service and attitude wise, I have no complaints about the girl. She is a victim in this scenerio. It is her sexual health that has been compromised. But given the situation, I don't think she should be working at all right now. This, unfortunately, will affect her income, but she needs to get tested and stay out of the agency line up until she gets results and has been treated. If it is a false alarm, then she goes back to work, unfortunately a little bit poorer. But that is not what is happening. She is still working.

 

[Voyager]

GWB,

Sorry for your situation, and I hope all turns out well for you.

I am not questioning the veracity of your claim, but I do take exception with your approach to your "warning"...
1) It concerned you enough to join MERB to warn us, but not enough to tell us who we should be concerned about?

Maybe you should contact a Mod, and get their advice/OK to name names. I'm sure that an active agency would respond to a Mod's PM. There have been many false charges in the past, so this would be my best suggestion.

2) It concerned you enough to warn the agency by email & PM, but not worth giving them a phone call?

I agree with centaurus that most agencies here would take your call, and look into the situation. If they didn't, and blew you off, that would certainly give you motivation to post everything here.

Regards,

Voyager

 

[George W Bush]

GWB,

Sorry for your situation, and I hope all turns out well for you.

I am not questioning the veracity of your claim, but I do take exception with your approach to your "warning"...
1) It concerned you enough to join MERB to warn us, but not enough to tell us who we should be concerned about?

Maybe you should contact a Mod, and get their advice/OK to name names. I'm sure that an active agency would respond to a Mod's PM. There have been many false charges in the past, so this would be my best suggestion.

2) It concerned you enough to warn the agency by email & PM, but not worth giving them a phone call?

I agree with centaurus that most agencies here would take your call, and look into the situation. If they didn't, and blew you off, that would certainly give you motivation to post everything here.

Regards,

Voyager

Thanks for your input Voyager as well as your expression of concern for my well-being.

Regarding the posting of the identity of the girl and the agency, I would be happy to if that is okay with the board administration. If it is not okay with board administration, I think it will just get the thread deleted. I will try to pm one, although I have not noticed their presence as yet. False charges can have a serious impact on an agency's business, as can true charges. As far as I know, board administration has no way of distinguishing between the two, and so I don't see them welcoming the role mediator.

In terms of calling the agency, I chose to email them. Then I chose to pm them. You feel that phone call would be magically effective? I don't get it. I don't see them welcoming such a phone call if they are not responsive to email or pm. How is a phone call better or more credible to them? They have the facts. That is what counts. I expect they will soon be aware of this thread, if they haven't seen it by now.

 

[Special K]

Thanks for your input Voyager as well as your expression of concern for my well-being.

Regarding the posting of the identity of the girl and the agency, I would be happy to if that is okay with the board administration. If it is not okay with board administration, I think it will just get the thread deleted. I will try to pm one, although I have not noticed their presence as yet. False charges can have a serious impact on an agency's business, as can true charges. As far as I know, board administration has no way of distinguishing between the two, and so I don't see them welcoming the role mediator.

In terms of calling the agency, I chose to email them. Then I chose to pm them. You feel that phone call would be magically effective? I don't get it. I don't see them welcoming such a phone call if they are not responsive to email or pm. How is a phone call better or more credible to them? They have the facts. That is what counts. I expect they will soon be aware of this thread, if they haven't seen it by now.

These are serious accusations and the Mods are always more than willing to assist during a problem like this. PM Mod 5. As far as calling the agency, well, yes, it's far better since then you know that you're actually speaking to someone and not "assuming" that they read your PM or email. Use the phone!

SK

 

[George W Bush]

Thanks Special K. I already pm-ed mods 6 and 8, as I got the impression in one of the stickeys that they work on this kind of thing.

 

[Mod 8]

Hello everyone,

Unless someone can post undeniable proof of the source of any STD infection, the posting of any identification will lead to an immediate ban and the removal of the thread.

The only acceptable proof is a direct admission by the SP in question or a copy of her STD test results, provided to a moderator for verification before the information may be posted on the board.

If it is discovered that the identity of the SP in question is being sent around by means of PM, this will also lead to an immediate ban.

We take all claims of this nature very seriously and even the rumor of a STD infection can destroy a reputation and have serious repercussions for the agency involved.

I also recommend contacting the agency by telephone as it is a more direct method and you can be certain that your concerns have been heard.

Mod 8

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

1. Those who try to fix the problem once they hear about it (e.g. Peter with Claudia)

This comment is, unfortunately, laughable. Less than two weeks after we were informed by agency management that Claudia would be "on leave" while the agency helped her deal with her issues, she's back on the schedule. Lip service, at best.

 

[Kepler]

He shouldn't post any names until he gets confirmation from his doctors and lab results of what he has exactly.

Also, he shouldn't post any names if he's slept with other women around the same time. (ie: who knows which one gave him what)

But:

The only acceptable proof is a direct admission by the SP in question or a copy of her STD test results,

Realistically, this means that you can never post any names or specific warnings under any circumstances.

Is this really MERB policy?

 

[George W Bush]

Hello everyone,

Unless someone can post undeniable proof of the source of any STD infection, the posting of any identification will lead to an immediate ban and the removal of the thread.

The only acceptable proof is a direct admission by the SP in question or a copy of her STD test results, provided to a moderator for verification before the information may be posted on the board.

If it is discovered that the identity of the SP in question is being sent around by means of PM, this will also lead to an immediate ban.

We take all claims of this nature very seriously and even the rumor of a STD infection can destroy a reputation and have serious repercussions for the agency involved.

I also recommend contacting the agency by telephone as it is a more direct method and you can be certain that your concerns have been heard.

Mod 8

Thanks Mod 8 for that clarification. In this case, there is no proof. In fact, as I have stated, while symptoms point to an STD, the condition has not yet responded to the antibiotics. So I don't know what I have. It would be nice to think that the agency would just advise the lady in question and she could take a couple of weeks off. I know that is not nice for the lady to be deprived of source of income for 2 weeks. But the alternative is to be possibly be spreading an STD to everyone she sees. That course of action, in my mind, is just plain irresponsible. Maybe that makes me naive. The rumor of an STD can be very damaging to an agency only if they refuse to take action. So far, that is what this agency is doing.

As for phoning, maybe I should have approached it that way. Or maybe the agency could check their email and pms if they advertise an email address and are an advertiser on merb that posts here regularly.

 

[George W Bush]

He shouldn't post any names until he gets confirmation from his doctors and lab results of what he has exactly.

Also, he shouldn't post any names if he's slept with other women around the same time. (ie: who knows which one gave him what)

I would hope that we could look beyond blame here. The lady in question has done nothing wrong. She gave me good service that I was happy with. She is a victim who has had her sexual health possibly compromised. Unfortunately, that goes with the turf, as it does for the clients/johns. Now she needs to take the time off necessary to clear this up. At least that is the way I see it. I am certainly not jumping in bed with anyone until I am 100% sure I am clean.

 

[Voyager]

In this case, there is no proof

Then what is the purpose of this entire thread? Are you warning us to stay away from every SP/agency in Montreal because 1 SP at 1 Agency MAY have given you something that resembles an as-yet-undiagnosed STD?

I'm sorry, but you've provided no useful/useable information to the community, or seemingly to the Mod, other then the drama. For some reason you seem reluctant to contact the agency by telephone (suggested by myself, Special K & Mod 8) which raises other questions.

She is a victim who has had her sexual health possibly compromised... Now she needs to take the time off necessary to clear this up.

Clear what up? You don't even know if you or she has anything. You also place the responsibility on the agency and absolve the SP, without wondering if the lady knew her (supposed) condition and continued to work. Maybe she knew and never told her agency, and is now denying it?

IMHO I'd delete this thread until you know for sure that you have an STD and can trace it to a specific SP, to the satisfaction of the Mods/Admin. Until then, it is only unsupported conjecture.

I still hope that whatever is ailing you is diagnosed and treated.

Voyager

 

[Mod 8]

He shouldn't post any names until he gets confirmation from his doctors and lab results of what he has exactly.

Also, he shouldn't post any names if he's slept with other women around the same time. (ie: who knows which one gave him what)

But:



Realistically, this means that you can never post any names or specific warnings under any circumstances.

Is this really MERB policy?

Hello Kepler,

If you were to take out an advertisement in a newspaper stating the same information do you think it would be accepted without concrete proof?

Would you feel it would be acceptable to have a member post that you yourself, or any other member, had a STD?

Permitting this kind of information to be posted without proof to back it up could also result in legal repercussions.

So to answer your question directly: No names can be posted without verifiable proof in the case of a suspected STD infection.

In the case of MERB advertisers, you may inform a moderator of the details of the situation and we will do our best to investigate and will bring your concerns to the party involved. This will not necessarily result in the results being made public nor is there any guarantee that our intervention will lead to any specific results. But we will do our best to help out in any situation such as this.

M8

 

[rollingstone]

I agree that Dubya should wait until he gets his test results back. However I do also agree with Kepler, under the policy stated by Mod8 we will never hear about an STD since no agency would ever come forward and confirm it. If a dairy company was selling infected milk, no one would dare say it could only be published if the company in question verified it.

 

[hormone]

Hello Kepler,

If you were to take out an advertisement in a newspaper stating the same information do you think it would be accepted without concrete proof?

Would you feel it would be acceptable to have a member post that you yourself, or any other member, had a STD?

Permitting this kind of information to be posted without proof to back it up could also result in legal repercussions.

So to answer your question directly: No names can be posted without verifiable proof in the case of a suspected STD infection.

In the case of MERB advertisers, you may inform a moderator of the details of the situation and we will do our best to investigate and will bring your concerns to the party involved. This will not necessarily result in the results being made public nor is there any guarantee that our intervention will lead to any specific results. But we will do our best to help out in any situation such as this.

M8

Hey M8, I share many of Kepler`s concerns and am not in agreement with your policy statement. In no way am I challenging you on the foundations of such a policy, I totally see your point about simple rumors affecting people, but if the only way to post it is if the lady in question admits to it, then it probably will never happen! This is not an add in a paper here, this is a sharing of info. Now, how do I know this info is true? I don`t. No more than if there is one single review of a girl stating she does an awesome DT--CIM-SW... I don`t know if this happened or not for real. I chose to trust or not the person who wrote it... GWB here does not seem vindicative nor out to get anyone! Maybe I am naive...

I think someone who has a positive test copy sent to you should be allowed to post his concerns along with the name of the SP(s) he has seen recently. At the very least, if this lady is not the source of the infection for GW Bush--granted he has an STD-- she is likely to have caught it if she engaged in a or even more with CIM, and hence anyone who has seen this lady after GWB is also at risk of having caught it! Simple epidemiology!

We post a lot of comments on ladies we see here without proof other than havibg been there. No one goes against that... If GWB were to post the name of the lady, at least it may increase the chance of an STD spread stopping in the community. Many people who read this board and who have seen her recently would get checked-treated. And a lot of people here have less than 6 degrees of seperation, sexually speaking!

Like I said, I am only stating my opinion, based on epidemiological thoughts.

 

[hormone]

Then what is the purpose of this entire thread? Are you warning us to stay away from every SP/agency in Montreal because 1 SP at 1 Agency MAY have given you something that resembles an as-yet-undiagnosed STD?

I'm sorry, but you've provided no useful/useable information to the community, or seemingly to the Mod, other then the drama.

IMHO I'd delete this thread until you know for sure that you have an STD and can trace it to a specific SP, to the satisfaction of the Mods/Admin. Until then, it is only unsupported conjecture.

Voyager

Hey Voyageur, I am not sure this thread should be deleted at all. There is not much else than STDs that make pus--the white creamy stuff GW Bush describes-- come out of an otherwise healthy guy's penis and burn evey time he pees!

As MOD 8 mentionned, a simple mention of the ladie's name would erase the thread as soon as MODs would see it... So I think it serves more purpose as it is than if non existent.

Are we willing to ever believe a hobbyist who states he only saw one woman in the last month? Will we want proof of his whereabouts to verify he did not meet anyone else? We say we want proof... but can we ever get proof?

I am not looking to start a war, just food for thought...