Sticky Proposal On GFE Definition To Curb Agency Fraud

[EagerBeaver]

I was recently speaking to another senior member about the fact that certain agencies are taking advantage of varying definitions of the term ``GFE`` to perpetrate fraud on the hobbyist community in marketing their ladies. In particular, there is an objective aspect of GFE, which I will call ``GFE service``, which is measured objectively under the traditional St. Bart`s standard (minimum requirements: , DATY, DFK). But there is also a subjective component, which I will call ``GFE attitude``, which the agencies are taking advantage of to market as ``GFE`` ladies who do not deliver GFE service. The purpose of this thread is to propose sticky definitions that will force agencies to categorize and market their ladies by standards that hobbyists, rather than agency owners, define.

First, in marketing a lady, the agency owner should be required to use the the terms ``GFE service`` or ``GFE attitude``. To me, and I know others will differ, the essentials of GFE service are , DATY, and DFK. Some would also insist that MSOG be added to the list but clearly the St. Bart`s definition is a ``minimum`` requirement.

Once we can hash out what ``GFE service`` is, an agency owner, per OUR definition, has to say whether she offers ``GFE service`` - as we have defined it - or not.

This will stop agency owners from using the vague term ``GFE`` to apply to GFE attitude rather than GFE service. And it will stop the massive fraud that is currently being perpetrated by a few agencies on the hobbyist community.

So with this thread I am asking everyone for their opinion as to what the MERB definition of ``GFE service`` should be. We need an objective industry standard to stop the fraud.

Comments?

 

[agentleman27]

Hi,

I agree with EB. I would like to add also the following: an hour is an hour not 19 minutes .... Specially without the MSOG requirement I fear a loophole

A27

 

[joeblow]

EB,

Your definitions neatly distinguish the two notions, and I agree with them. However, I have personnally become blind to that phrase "GFE" when used in advertising because it has become so meaningless. Instead, I look for explicit mentions of the service components I require, and have no qualms to politely ask the explicit question "Do you do this or that?" even if a woman advertises herself or is advertised as GFE. As far as attitude is concerned, well chemistry between people is trully a YMMV thing and that risk is inherent to the hobby.

Moreover, I'm wondering how any Merb-made definition of GFE could be imposed on the rogue agencies. I find it significant that many agencies that have been exposed here as B&S operations are still in business and even advertise here. It seems there are still enough gullible clients out there that go for them. So why would they adopt our definitions? Unfortunaltely, it appears this board has less leverage on these rogue agencies than we would like.

 

[Special K]

EB,

Totally agree with you and hope this proposal will stick.

 

[Board Stiff]

Beavis,
This is a nice contribution, but it depends on how the client weighs service vs. attitude. Personally, I would never perform DATY on an escortesan, nor do i absolutely NEED a . The kissing component is more important to me if i am her first john of the night or if she is gorgeous.

As for an egregious ``fraud`` being committed, do you suggest we revert to the good ole days when pimps tasted their meat before throwing them on the barbeque? That would result in a lot of salmonella. An agency owner, such as John from Eleganza, cannot really know the extent of a girl`s GFE willingness until he sees some reviews and feedback on Merb. I can tell you that I love sucking dick all day, but until their is some sausage right in front of my face, you don`t really know.

It`s a bit presumptious to impose your own standards on the industry, I am more interested in the general consensus and what owners have to say on the flipside.

Bottom line is that GFE will ALWAYS be YMMV from the girl`s perspective.

 

[gohabsgo]

agree 100% , I'm sick of this mis leading advertising used by some agencies

 

[Lion Heart]

Too much emphasis on the GFE definition

I recognize that YMMV applies when dealing with services such as , DFK and DATY.

When you`re not usually denied the specific services you are looking for (which may vary between individuals) and when a SP is reviewed as providing consistently these services, you can generally be confident that they will be available for you.

However, the worst trend, as exhibited recently by ClassXXX, is to market a lady as GFE at a certain rate, only to find out when the lady is with you that there is a premium to pay for the or the DFK. This is not YMMV, this is FRAUD. Either the subject services are available at the marketed price, either they are not.

Lion Heart

 

[John Legend]

To me DFK is the most important part of GFE experience. I just simply ask up front if the girl DFK, and if I get a yes or a yes if you are clean etc then I book her, if not I don't. This policy works well for me.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Okay guys

Freewill- I think that your suggestion would allow subjective criteria to creep back in and that is exactly what is letting the agency owners get away with fraud.

Board Stiff- I never by creation of this thread sought to impose my own standard, in fact I specifically stated I want comments on what the industry standard should be while simply giving my own opinion of the standard.

What I think we need to do now is a poll on which elements should constitute the industry standard on ``GFE service``. Examples:

, LFK, DATY
, DFK, DATY
, DFK, DATY, MSOG
, LFK, DATY, MSOG

Would anyone add any other suggestions as to what combination of acronyms should be in the poll?

 

[EagerBeaver]

Maxima,

It was Robin who introduced the "CGFE" concept. I will include that as an option in the poll, although I suspect it will not garner too many votes.

 

[StripperLover]

EB,

Thanks You for finally putting this forward !

When putting out definitions, one cannot write them for every possible condition, ie; I ate a clove of garlic & expected the SP to DFK or I expected a and hadn`t showered & an odor eminated from there. If I was the only one to not receive DFK or , then I`d have to open my eyes & be honest with myself.

These defintions must be clarified in the manner in which they were stated so that if, for example, an SP is listed by an agency as being ``GFE`` & not 1 but all of her posted reviews claim that she does not allow DATY then we know that the agency stating that she is a ``GFE`` is not one of the truthful ones or full of ....

The so-called chemistry that some speak of only has to do with the ``GFE Attitude``. Whether or not you as a client received this unreal, heart palpatating feeling from this SP or even a mild version of it, then all I have to say to you is good for you & I hope it continues. This is a totally subjective feeling or result & thus should be categorized as so. Whereas the ``GFE Service`` is a factual service that you did or didn`t receive.

The defintion comes down to what does a ``Girlfriend`` give you in experiencing sex with her. This defintion should be the minimum & anymore is better for you.

 

[StripperLover]

I think that the minumum should be;

[COLOR=``Blue``]DFK[/COLOR] = Deep French Kiss [COLOR=``Red``]NOT[/COLOR] ``LFK`` If that`s all you got from a non paying gf then you have a problem

[COLOR=``blue``]DATY[/COLOR] = Dining at the Y

[COLOR=``blue``][/COLOR] = Bare Back Blow Job

Because if you haven`t received at least these (minimum) from any girlfriend that you`ve had in the past or will have in the future, than you may want to look inward.

 

[Special K]

I can tell you that I love sucking dick all day, but until their is some sausage right in front of my face, you don't really know.

I always knew you were a little off BS

 

[Doc Holliday]

To me, GFE should at least include both and DATY, with LFK/DFK. If either or DATY is not on the menu, it wouldn`t be GFE. But if both of them are, i`d be willing to accept the GFE tag....as long as there is at least LFK. I`ve had several girlfriends in my pre-hobby days and rarely would i meet one that would perform all 3 services. Most would do DFK, but they would either hate or DATY. No wonder i`ve become a john!!

 

[classy]

vip

What about the V.I.P term? A lot of agency does'nt know what it really means for a sp

 

[StripperLover]

classy,

What are you talking about ?

 

[classy]

classy,

What are you talking about ?

You guys said that some agengy use the word GFE for some girls who are not real GFE...right!
So, for your question StripperLover, some agency do the same with the word V.I.P
They don't know what is a real V.I.P girl. You can see this word everywhere even in the JDM.
V.I.P is not only for the beauty, you need the attitude (i mean you have to give you're 100% in bed, you need to have class, with you're clothes and you're personnality, you need to be able to talk about a lot of different subject with the custumer not talking only about herselves.... you need to be intelligent and so many other things...and that makes me mad that's why i wrote my opinion.

Sorry, my english is real bad
English language is also very important to be a good V.I.P

 

[StripperLover]

classy,

The expression V.I.P. in English means Very Important Person.

If an agency is using this expression it means next nothing in terms of service that you will or can get.

They can chose to use it but this is a thread discussing the use of "GFE". If you want to start a thread on another expression or defintion then I suggest that you do so.

I have not really heard of such an expression & even if I had heard of it, it's just another way of bsing hobbyists as V.I.P. is bs

 

[StripperLover]

Big Daddy Cool,

Let me understand something, I'm trying to understand the sequence of events that you have take place when entering an incall.

Are you saying that you pay after or before making small talk ?

How long does this so-called small talk take ?

It's been my experience with unknown (we've never met) incall & outcall sp's that they request the money right away and either before or at that point is the only chance one has to ask the question about restrictions or else hand over the money & then receive whatever services she'll give at that price.

 

[StripperLover]

Train,

I think the purpose of this thread is to provide board members the opportunity to express what they think should be the minimum & broadest definition possible for the widest audience.

That being said, I see that many are in fact voicing their personal preferences rather than being as objective as possible about what is the minimum that we ALL as hobbyists can accept whether or not it conforms with what our individual preferences are.

There are some who are younger (need & can do MSOG) & some who are older (occasionaly want sex & more often company) & those of us who delude ourselves (SL included) into thinking that we are somehow & somewhere in the middle, who want sex occassionaly but MSOG may be a fading hope. That being said, that is why the definition must be able to meet the widest audience & at the same time NOT permit anymore bs by some agencies who like to place it out there on their site(s) that a particular lady offers GFE when, in fact, they are playing to our collective wishy washiness. Too many put it out there that YMMV comes into play but apart from the opting out clause (as you so aptly put it) due to hygene, either the SP offers a "GFE Service" or she doesn't.

As far as the "notwithstanding clause" please we have enough trouble or controversy on these boards, we don't need to re-hash a political debate in this thread.