Strange outing of a customer

[Ducon]

Months ago I saw something strange on Twitter.
( I don't know whether the account still exists )
An escort was publishing thank-you notes to a regular customer.
She did it by publishing a screenshot of a money transfer, and a message thanking and praising the dude without naming him.
On the screenshot, the amount was visible but the dude's name was manually scribbled out so that only a couple of letters could be guessed.
The problem is, she did that multiple times, and scribbled differently each time, exposing different letters.
So eventually it became very easy to assemble pieces of the puzzle and get the dude's full name. ( I checked, it was a real person )
I wonder what her intention was.

 

[TheJames101]

lol oops.

 

[urquell]

Without knowing anything about the circumstances and amounts etc. I could guess that the Twitter account was for work, the followers were her clients, and that she was posting a positive example of the types of amounts she'd like to receive from everyone, in the hopes of shaming them all into being more generous. Without knowing anything about it though it's hard to say for sure.

 

[Giselle Montreal]

How can you be sure it was always the same name? You maybe put together different information.

But I must say, not everyone has the same definition and understanding of privacy.

 

[talkinghead]

Yet another reason that I would never send a money transfer or compromise my privacy. I mean, what could go wrong?

 

[EagerBeaver]

It sounds like this was possibly negligence in attempting to protect private information.

As an attorney often filing pleadings that are a matter of public record, often with exhibits and attachments, I am bound by privacy rules requiring complete redaction- not sloppy redaction- of anything filed and a matter of public record such as social security numbers, birth dates, addresses and phone numbers of litigants, and email addresses.

Privacy violations happen almost all the time. This thread only touches the tip of the iceberg. If you get too obsessed with the privacy violation risks, you need to stop seeing escorts. You will NEVER eliminate the risk just by undertaking some of the suggestions made here. Emails and phones get hacked all the time. Any electronic booking is subject to third party disclosure at any time depending on security on the other end.

I have a case right now in which an email hack led to hundreds of thousands of dollars in misappropriated proceeds of a real estate closing via a wire to the hacker. When privacy protocols are not followed, shit like this happens. Attorneys and their clients can both be negligent and this is the consequence of poor internet security and poor closing protocols in verifying electronic transfers.

 

[Julia Sky]

I honestly never understood posting screenshots of etransfers. It's giving nouveau riche and it's tacky in my opinion. Nobody needs or wants to know this information. I think it's best to thank the person directly and privately

 

[LC18]

Months ago I saw something strange on Twitter.
( I don't know whether the account still exists )
An escort was publishing thank-you notes to a regular customer.
She did it by publishing a screenshot of a money transfer, and a message thanking and praising the dude without naming him.
On the screenshot, the amount was visible but the dude's name was manually scribbled out so that only a couple of letters could be guessed.
The problem is, she did that multiple times, and scribbled differently each time, exposing different letters.
So eventually it became very easy to assemble pieces of the puzzle and get the dude's full name. ( I checked, it was a real person )
I wonder what her intention was.

Amateur work

 

[LeDodo]

I honestly never understood posting screenshots of etransfers. It's giving nouveau riche and it's tacky in my opinion. Nobody needs or wants to know this information. I think it's best to thank the person directly and privately

I would say it's a kind of peer pressure tactics for the findom SW.

And mainly bragging for the rest.

Maybe a very small amount for appreciation in like you were in a hard financial situation.

 

[LC18]

Sharing e-transfers provides no context because it could very much be a deposit or payment for a session.

Sharing actual gifts makes more sense

 

[LeDodo]

Sharing actual gifts makes more sense

Even sharing gifts pictures can be a self purchase lol

 

[neverbored]

Even sharing gifts pictures can be a self purchase lol

Some even just post pictures of the just the branded bags.

 

[talkinghead]

Privacy violations happen almost all the time. This thread only touches the tip of the iceberg. If you get too obsessed with the privacy violation risks, you need to stop seeing escorts. You will NEVER eliminate the risk just by undertaking some of the suggestions made here. Emails and phones get hacked all the time. Any electronic booking is subject to third party disclosure at any time depending on security on the other end.

Good advice, for sure. It has always seemed to me that seeing escorts is inevitably a matter of calculating risk and reward, from first to last. No experience in the hobby can be 100% free from risk to one's privacy, health, legal standing, wallet, or safety. We each come to terms with our own comfort level. That said, it seems obvious that it's possible to reduce risk, for example by seeing well-reviewed escorts, using safe practices, etc. I tend to be cautious, and I'd never do any kind of money transfer that involved my personal information--though a gift card could be fine. In fact, I wouldn't go through any screening that involved my personal or professional information. But that's me and that's now; in the past, my libido has inspired me to do some sketchy things, and I know I've been in the "little black book" of agencies and indies.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

In fact, I wouldn't go through any screening that involved my personal or professional information. But that's me and that's now; in the past, my libido has inspired me to do some sketchy things, and I know I've been in the "little black book" of agencies and indies.

Interesting. This is why a lot don't want to screen, because they don't want to take accountability for "libido inspiring to do sketchy things". (I love the way you worded it, it's very creative lol)

One individual provided who posted these screenshots that might be fake or like Lena said, amateur work, doesn't really affect anybody.

People often post screenshots to thank a client and that implies they are conscious of keeping their identity private.. that person could have made a mistake and we don't even know the story behind it.

 

[talkinghead]

Interesting. This is why a lot don't want to screen, because they don't want to take accountability for "libido inspiring to do sketchy things".

I was making a distinction in my own life between my more libidinous youth, sowing those wild oats, and my more cautious present. By "sketchy things" I meant that I took risks, seeing escorts in the pre-internet days that I couldn't vet and giving up my personal information without much consideration. It would be like today using LL, which I consider sketchy. (To be clear, I've never done anything remotely sketchy with SPs, other than bore them by going on about the arts.)

There may be some men who don't want to screen because they're up to no good. I don't blame SPs for screening at all. For me, I don't screen simply because I won't risk my personal information in this so-called hobby. I have too much to lose. It's the same reason that SPs don't share their personal information: their safety and security.

Sending money to an escort in my real name via a money transfer is way, way beyond my own comfort level, but everyone has to decide on their own risk tolerance.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I was making a distinction in my own life between my more libidinous youth, sowing those wild oats, and my more cautious present. By "sketchy things" I meant that I took risks, seeing escorts in the pre-internet days that I couldn't vet and giving up my personal information without much consideration. It would be like today using LL, which I consider sketchy. (To be clear, I've never done anything remotely sketchy with SPs, other than bore them by going on about the arts.)

There may be some men who don't want to screen because they're up to no good. I don't blame SPs for screening at all. For me, I don't screen simply because I won't risk my personal information in this so-called hobby. I have too much to lose. It's the same reason that SPs don't share their personal information: their safety and security.

Sending money to an escort in my real name via a money transfer is way, way beyond my own comfort level, but everyone has to decide on their own risk tolerance.

The way you phrased it was ambiguous because you're mentioning being in some girls "little black book".. (which could also mean various things).

I definitely understand why someone is uncomfortable sending something like an ID but we screen for very specific reasons.

Personally I'm very easily recognizable, so it's frustrating that clients don't want to give just a bit of info, specially since I used to host from home. I see it as a sign of disrespect because there's so much about me online.

Most of us don't screen to stalk clients or publish their info .. There are absolutely a lot of men who don't want to screen because they are afraid that if they do something bad they will suffer consequences.

Reality is that even if a client is bad, unless he is extremely dangerous, it's unlikely that he will suffer real consequences.

 

[talkinghead]

The way you phrased it was ambiguous because you're mentioning being in some girls "little black book".. (which could also mean various things).

I definitely understand why someone is uncomfortable sending something like an ID but we screen for very specific reasons.

Personally I'm very easily recognizable, so it's frustrating that clients don't want to give just a bit of info, specially since I used to host from home. I see it as a sign of disrespect because there's so much about me online.

Most of us don't screen to stalk clients or publish their info .. There are absolutely a lot of men who don't want to screen because they are afraid that if they do something bad they will suffer consequences.

Reality is that even if a client is bad, unless he is extremely dangerous, it's unlikely that he will suffer real consequences.

I get it. Again, I don't blame you at all for wanting some way to confirm a client's legitimacy, especially since you've given up at least some of your privacy by being recognizable and since you host from home. You absolutely need to know whom you're letting in.

As for the term "little black book," I bet I'm using it in an old-fashioned way: an SP's list of clients. The Mayflower Madam comes to mind--long before your time! I'm sure that screening is quite safe among Montreal's established indies.

 

[urquell]

The information system here is skewed towards the SP and away from the client. The physical risk system is skewed towards the SPs and away from the clients. There are understandable risks to both sides of the equation, and it makes perfect sense for SPs to ask for the information that they do. It also makes perfect sense for the men not to give it to them. It really all comes down to a question of risk aversity and in some cases how naive the person at risk may be. It's a personal choice and I respect the choice made by each side of the equation, whether I agree with it or not. My own views are well known and don't need to be repeated here again. What I will say is that there is a certain tendency of the SPs here to act as though all SPs are as reputable and generally reliable as the MERB providers are, and that the general rules they propose are reasonable and apply everywhere or generally, but they don't. I will point out that there are 1000's of provider for each and every single reputable MERB provider, and that there are far, far more disreputable, dishonest or unreliable providers out there than there are reputable MERB providers. It simply isn't reasonable to assume that both groups of providers can be approached and trusted in the same way. It also isn't reasonable for the guys to pretend that "hey, we're all known here and we're all good guys" because we all know that's bullshit, even if we don't really talk about it. The best slant you can put on it is to say that MERB providers are a special case scenario with different rules, if you believe that to be the case.

At the end of the day there is a comfort zone that each individual on either side of the equation needs to live in, and people can decide according to their druthers. What is certainly true is that a monger cannot "win" and gets no benefit by providing either info or deposits, except in the sense that he gets to see a certain provider. He gets nothing in return for the deposit and nothing in return for the info given. The providers wastes time and loses bookings if they don't get deposits, and the risks are higher if they don't get the info. The decision really comes down to prioritizing whose needs come first. Pick your poison and run with it, and then just accept whatever anyone else chooses to do. If your decisions and priorities don't align with whoever then in the immortal words of Mikey B., "next!".

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

The level of erudition displayed by @urquell and @talkinghead is, as always, notable. I would hire you both as Professors in my (imaginary) Department of Sexworkology.

 

[Lunaseraphim]

I get it. Again, I don't blame you at all for wanting some way to confirm a client's legitimacy, especially since you've given up at least some of your privacy by being recognizable and since you host from home. You absolutely need to know whom you're letting in.

As for the term "little black book," I bet I'm using it in an old-fashioned way: an SP's list of clients. The Mayflower Madam comes to mind--long before your time! I'm sure that screening is quite safe among Montreal's established indies.

I don't host from home anymore, I just meant that I used to. I see what you mean now but I highly doubt anyone is using your information to do anything that could harm you. Even if I have someone's full name and info I often just remember their first name after that step is over.

The level of erudition displayed by @urquell and @talkinghead is, as always, notable. I would hire you both as Professors in my (imaginary) Department of Sexworkology.

Maybe only sex workers should be hired in that department