Sunny's latest ban...is it really warranted?

[General Gonad]

I read Mod 7's post this morning:

"The following handles are being used by the same person:

Jou (Banned permanently)
Sunny Montrealhotgirls.com (Banned 2 months)"

I also spoke with Sunny who claims this is total bullshit. "GG, you know I can't write English well. I recently hired someone to help me with my advertizing posts; it shows cause he uses colors and he writes well. The Mods are sold to Devilish and XXXtase, who are afraid of me coming back."

Now, I do not know who is telling the truth here but the truth is reading Jou's posts, I know it can't be Sunny. Why would Sunny put up reviews from other agencies? Also, the truth is that he has difficulty speaking English, let alone writing it properly.

Something doesn't jive here and I would like the Mods to explain to the board what proof they have that Jou is Sunny. Why the hell would Sunny risk being banned permanently? It just doesn't make sense.

GG

 

[alarmon]

You are right GG. Doesn't makes sense. Why would someone try to break the rules after being banned two other times. He has a business to run and to risk to lose free advertisement isn't a cool way to do it.

In fact, banning someone from this forum should be more transparent. What are the proofs? Like it is now, banning seems to be more a dictatorship to me !

Mod7, explain.

 

[alarmon]

We are not implying, me and the others that you are hiding something, but you should tell us the proofs. Be transparent.

 

[General Gonad]

I can't go into details, but I can say it is some of the most convincing evidence I ever collected on Shilling activity. Its also not the first time Sunny has used duplicates. Having someone else post on your behalf is NOT an excuse, as I'm sure all was done with Sunny's consent.

Mods have no interest in any particular agency and are independant from Admin , to say we do is just pure nonsense, and a Shills last line of defense.

You want to be gullible, be my guest.

M5,

I am not gullible but I am not stupid either. Sunny having Jou write reviews of other agency ladies does not make sense. If your proof is so overwhelming, then please share it with the board and drop the "if you want to be gullible" lines. We are not as dumb as you think so spare me with these comments and put up the proof.

GG

 

[alarmon]

Let's go Mod5 and Mod7, listen to us and share it! Unless you have nothing and you fear it...

A

 

[HarmonyNYC]

It is very easy to detect someone using the two different handles coming from he same source. The evidence in such cases screams to be seen rather then a moderator needing to seek it out.

I trust the moderators in this case.

They exist and function for our benefit.

Thanks You Mod.'s!

 

[General Gonad]

Proof: The methods and techniques used my Mods will not be posted nor revealed as obviously it will used for future shilling attempts.

Gullible: It should be understood, those that attempt shilling will always deny it and have a ready made excuse for it.

One thing that bothered me was Jou claiming he got GFE from Jen. There is no client on this planet earth that could have gotten GFE from Jen of MHG. I am not just stating this because I got scammed. I honestly believe it.

But what about the reviews of other ladies from different agencies? If it was a shill, wouldn't they have caught it? Why the glowing reviews of other ladies?

If Sunny is really Jou or allowing Jou to post on his computer, then he really fucked up.

GG

 

[EagerBeaver]

One thing that bothered me was Jou claiming he got GFE from Jen.

I personally subscribe to the old saying that "where there is smoke, there is fire." You (and Mod 5) have identified the smoke. So where do you think the fire is burning?

 

[metoo4]

IP isn't 100% guaranteed. I have ADSL and, I can change my IP at will, just have to disconnect, wait a bit then reconnect. During this time, somebody else could grab my old IP and, if they happen to log to MERB, I could be seen as using duplicate handle.

Or something else, if Jou and Sunny were all posting from an internet cafe or public place, you could have bunch of computers showing as same IP address.

I trust MODs for not having hidden agenda intended to give an edge to specific agency.

Considering Jou's posting history and reviews on various agencies, I find it suspect he would be shilling. But again, maybe Jou's reviews were fake in order to gain credibility? That would be a smart move! (edit: just read MOD 5's reply to GG, confirmed what I say above)

Asking MODs to reveal how they deducted there was shilling involved could potentially give shills ways to defend themself so MODs must be careful with what they say. But, some info from the MODs, without telling how they were obtained, would be appreciated. Beside this, we must trust the MODs and I do trust them without hesitation but, trust is something you cultivate and nourish. (edit: and look like Mod 5 just did so.)

 

[General Gonad]

In order to develope credibility, shills understand that they must review girls from other agencies and give a somewhat positive review. Its a sacrifice they are willing to make. Notice however how Jou would give a positive review of an XXXtase Lady, but end it with "she smelled of smoke", "will NOT repeat", and so on. The same shill will then came back and posted 3 positive reviews on his own agency. No mention of Smoke here, and ready to Repeat.

Its a game of Give and Take, and they take much more than they will give.

EB, M5,

All valid points. Sunny may have had someone write these posts on his behalf. Again, Jou claiming he got GFE from Jen is just impossible. That claim always bothered me.

GG

 

[XXXClusive Agency]

Jou

Jou et Sunny


Dsl mod5 mais je ne pense pas que jou et Sunny sont les meme personnes .. Jou est un de mes clients regulier a tel point que je connais son adresse et ca voix par coeur !!! il me call a toutes les semaines c est impossible que ca soi les memes !!

Je peux pas croire que sunny a gaspiller pour voir au moin 7-8 de mes filles $$$ .. ca me suprendrais bien gros et si vraiment ca serait le cas y aurait fait des review negatif quand il les a plus ou moin aimés ce qui na pas été le cas alors a mon avis c est impossible il y a une erreur ! Je suis sure a 98% bien que je peu me tromper moi aussi ..



Martin

 

[General Gonad]

translation..

Dsl mod5 mais si je ne serais pas sure a 200% je dirais pas un mot ... mais une chose est sure Sunny et Jou ne sont pas les meme personnes .. Jou est un de mes clients regulier a tel point que je connais son adresse et ca voix par coeur !!! il me call a toutes les semaines c est impossible que ca soi les memes !!

tlm fait des erreurs !!

Martin of XXXtase confirms that Jou is not Sunny. Jou is a regular client of Martin's to the point where he knows where he lives and he recognizes his voice. Once again Mods, can this be a big mistake? Is it possible that Sunny and Jou have nothing to do with each other?

GG

 

[metoo4]

Now, an agency owner defending another one of shilling charges, that would be a first! But it's strongly possible! What if? Martin isn't just anybody!

Mods, can you reconfirm your investigation? This doesn't make sense.

 

[HarmonyNYC]

Precedent!

The moderators know what they are doing!

MERB did not just begin last week... every possible scenario regarding deception has been evaluated a hundred times. The moderators know how to double check against any possible doubts or exceptions involved in the proof.

Every attempt to figure this out only leads you deeper into misunderstanding and a misrepresentation of what has happened.

 

[General Gonad]

The moderators know what they are doing!

MERB did not just begin last week... every possible scenario regarding deception has been evaluated a hundred times. The moderators know how to double check against any possible doubts or exceptions involved in the proof.

Every attempt to figure this out only leads you deeper into misunderstanding and a misrepresentation of what has happened.

No doubt about it but the Mods have made hasty decisions in the past like with Karma and Carguy69. Jou is not Sunny. Martin confirmed this. The question is whether or not Jou is on Sunny's payroll. It could be but it doesn't jive.

GG

 

[EagerBeaver]

I spent some time looking at Jou's posting history. Although there are some strange things he has posted, he did post a review of Channel of XXXtase that was very good and whom he listed as a repeat. So if he is on Sunny's payroll, maybe he should be fired.

 

[General Gonad]

I spent some time looking at Jou's posting history. Although there are some strange things he has posted, he did post a review of Channel of XXXtase that was very good and whom he listed as a repeat. So if he is on Sunny's payroll, maybe he should be fired.

LOL EB, I saw that too! Again, something is not jiving here. Mods, please check again.

GG

 

[General Gonad]

Agency owners know that the most sophisticated way of shilling is to have a senior poster in his pocket. And no Mod can do anything about it.

I am glad to report that only one agency owner has me in his pocket...Mike of ClassXXX.

GG

 

[EagerBeaver]

I have to trust the work of Mods (5 & 7). Sunny is not "naive" in terms of shilling. He did it more than once before. In the past we also had an owner of an agency who wrote positive reviews of SPs from other agencies. He was a well known hobbyist and a respected senior member of Merb. The problem was that he did not reveal that he was also an agency owner. In the history of Merb there were also cases of senior members who became very cozy with an agency owner thus tainting their reviews, for example: only write positive reviews for that agency owner even to the point to contradict other reviews. There was even a case of a senior member who asked in a debate on Merb what would be a big deal of accepting favor/money to write a good review...as long as that was exactly what he felt? He also said that he did not write negative reviews because he did not like to write negatively about any sp. Btw, that senior member does not post any more. Agency owners know that the most sophisticated way of shilling is to have a senior poster in their pockets. And no Mod can do anything about it.

Maxima - good points.

 

[wilko26]

I have to trust the work of Mods (5 & 7). Sunny is not "naive" in terms of shilling. He did it more than once before. In the past we also had an owner of an agency who wrote positive reviews of SPs from other agencies. He was a well known hobbyist and a respected senior member of Merb. The problem was that he did not reveal that he was also an agency owner. In the history of Merb there were also cases of senior members who became very cozy with an agency owner thus tainting their reviews, for example: only write positive reviews for that agency owner even to the point to contradict other reviews. There was even a case of a senior member who asked in a debate on Merb what would be a big deal of accepting favor/money to write a good review...as long as that was exactly what he felt? He also said that he did not write negative reviews because he did not like to write negatively about any sp. Btw, that senior member does not post any more. Agency owners know that the most sophisticated way of shilling is to have a senior poster in their pockets. And no Mod can do anything about it.

Yeah good point and I believe that they have really good reasons/evidences to do it.... Don't forget Sunny is an advertiser here (mean $$$) so I'm sure they have no doubt in their decision.