TER back up in the US Without VPM

[Dave in Phoenix]

Interesting that even with FOSTA, TER is now back up for ads and reviews in the U.S.

I was shocked to get a notice of a new post of someone I was following from long before the close. You could still get in by VPN (i used Canada!) but, of course, very inactive with no U.S. reviews or ads, and not my favorite board vs. here in Canada!

As some folks know, I have a history with the alleged founder DE. He went to prison after hiring a hitman to potentially kill a Phoenix companion and go after me to break my legs. I was a bit shocked on a Sunday afternoon when I got a call from Major Crimes Unit detective of Phoenix P.D. Met with the hitman (undercover cop) and his supervisor the next day.

The story and trial are long with his fleeing to Iran but lured back and dumb enough to return via Mexico and arrested at the border. Phoenix also wanted to get him for rape and asked me to help get victims to come forward since I had a Private Email list of about 1500 in Phoenix.

He had two priors from C.A. (where he lived) for a gun, and I think drug charges. However, the three-strikes law in C.A. did not apply to his Phoenix convection. He spent about five years in prison here on his attempt on me but was released a few years ago. As far as I know, he has nothing to do with the current TER. Last I heard from probation he worked for some school.

The new managers (a couple in L.A.) were very friendly to me after D.E. arrested and gave me free VIP membership for awhile. The board is useful but no competition for TERB or MERB.

The story about D.E. and me was written up in the New York Times, with a friendly reporter that found who I was by the Court records, who agreed not to publish my real name for privacy.

The reason D.E. went after me is that on my Phoenix Private List, I allowed companions to share their terrible experiences with D.E., including D.E., not allowing good reviews of companions on TER unless they came to his L.A. home to "service him." Phoenix P.D. considered that a form of rape since were unwilling except to be able to be on TER. However, he was only indicted and convicted for going after me.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Personally i just had a lot of fun reading the pornstars reviews. I never was a member before they took down every US providers reviews (it was still accessible but every provider that was in the US and listed as in a US city was not)

I envy so bad all these guys meeting those known pornstars :/ lol.

Also was able to read reviews on a few US escorts i follow on twitter, good stuff. Was for instance very surprised to see one of my current favorite to follow is actually uber kinky. I mean she is super hot, i was expecting for some reason her to not be into the "acronymes" but cof, cim, sw, greek, rimming, you name it, she does it :O LOL. She is not that far into US territory but obviously much more expensive than canadian providers (800$US/h) but man i wish i could see her...

 

[hungry101]

I knew none of this. Good to know. All I know is that I stopped seeing girls in the USA because TER was down. I don't like flying blind.

Funny, I wrote one of the first reviews a few days ago for a girl that I saw in Florida earlier this month and she is now #66 in the world! In fact, I know several of the top 100 but I have to say, just like paying more per hour doesn't guarantee better quality, TER's top 100 doesn't seem to have any basis in reality. I would gladly take my chances with the luck of the draw at the top Montreal agencies rather then take anyone off that list.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

The problem in the U.S. is of course why I enjoy Canada so much!

P411 is another site that was popular in the U.S. and owner Gina lives in Canada (Toronto area as I recall). I let companions post about all the hiding she did when often PD would use it for busts especially in Phoenix where if they arrested a companion they would take over her phone and pretend to be her and give references to other "verified" P411 members to set them up with undercovers and bust them. Gina hates me since I allowed the truth to be told on my Private List.

She also discontinued taking new members at least for a while after FOSTA and I heard is retiring and maybe selling but I do not know the story.

I have not read any news of FOSTA arrests by the FBI of web owners. Quite a few sites have been taken over by FBI and owners indicted but for other Federal prostitution-related charges like the Travel Act or criminal enterprise if they also acted as an agency etc. But haven't seen any board owners just on FOSTA charged.

There are many sites still running in the U.S. but moved all the moderators/owners offshore. TER has always been run offshore (Treehouse which is TER I believe is in the Netherlands). Long before FOSTA they got rid of all their US moderators because LE can subpoena any "control person." to get info on members etc.

Off-shore (or Canada) isn't total protection since the US has criminal treaties with almost all developed countries including Canada. But to go after someone in another country is a very complicated process.

Related to the mention of the SD gal, DE was also active in Los Vegas. After his arrest in Phoenix the well known female vice cop (also honest - I saw her on the stand at the Goddess Temple trial even with evidence favoring the defense), put out a post on a popular LV board. She identified herself as with Phoenix PD wanting gals to come forward with charges of rape based on his requirement to service him. The board owner called me wondering if this was REALLY a COP posting. She also phoned me wanting my help in Phoenix.

She is quite nice, intelligent and attractive - just the enemy when she is doing stings for private consenting adults.

 

[hungry101]

Dave - I've wondered about P411. I had it for a year and then I decided to let it go. It seems that none of the girls seemed to care that I had 411. They asked for whatever it was that they thought they needed anyway.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Seem in the US reviews are not as welcomed as in Canada. Depends on the providers (some do take prider in their reviews, like the one i mentioned, she has almost a perfect 10 everywhere) but i explained a couple times to some providers that reviews are really needed for us clients. You would guess in the US they would understand even more as they do intensive screening etc, reviews are like "our screenings" of them. But nop, they call it "review culture, slobbyist" and some other deregatory words.

I don't want to sound mean but i think they should really get off their high horse. Yes i apreciate the company of the escorts i click with, yes chemistry is personal and its a huge plus when its good, but i pay for sexual services. I want to know at least a bit what to expect. Im not saying because John got xx acronymes i will automatically get them, but it would be unlikely that a GFE provider with 25 reviews suddenly give me super limited services etc.

One escort said that she had a good review on TER but it was fake. The guy listed services she do not do. I tried to told her that we are not stupid as clients, if one guy mention he received a bunch of acronymes but every other guys say the opposite, we can sort that its fake. 1 review is nothing. Its volume that speak. And yes with TER system of rewarding VIP for reviews, obviously this certainly led to some guys making fake reviews just to get it. But they should know its very counter productive, as making BS kill the purpose of the website.

 

[hungry101]

That review culture comment is unfortunate. There are guys that write fake reviews to get the free two weeks VIP. Most of the time they are smart enough to write positive reviews. I caught one guy writing what had to be a fake negative review for GoodGirls Bella and I would stake my paycheck on it that it was fake and he had never been to Montreal. That was bizarre. Why write a fake negative review for a girl you have never seen???

Once you've been around for awhile you get to understand the system and make a few friends with providers and hobbyists and TER becomes a life saver. I always said I would just assume jump out of an airplane without a parachute as I would date unreviewed providers in the USA without TER. While it was down I saw one girl in the USA and she was a repeat. 1. I worry about LE and 2. I have no idea what the service will be. At least with TER you get an idea.

Some girls don't like the review culture because they do not give the same thing to all people all of the time. I get this. But when you study a provider you understand what the likelihood is of getting a particular service like DFK/LFK or Anal or being able to perform DATY or receive a BBBJ. If a lady sees 50-100 people 5-20 may review her. If nobody is getting DFK or if she refuses to allow DATY you will see a pattern. I've seen lots of girls with mixed reviews and I had a wonderful time with these ladies.

I know I cringe in job performance reviews. No one likes them. And I get defensive when I hear constructive criticism. I'm sure it is that way with escorts n TER. On the 1-10 scale for service, you cannot give a certain score unless the provider offers some key services. I've got into it with the TER staff because I wanted to give a few girls from Montreal a 10 and I wasn't allowed to because we didn't do certain things and I had to lower the score.

I remember a Montreal escort that didn't provide DFK but she did a hell of a job otherwise. I mean she went the extra mile with the outfit and it made my evening. However, I had to write she didn't provide DFK. I saw her at a party and she was mad at me at first. I wrote this glowing review but she saw that my review that stated no DFK as a slight. She tried to explain that she was playing a role. We discussed it and she got over it but I was surprised. Another girl in the USA was using fake photos and I gave her a generous 6 for looks and she asked me if I would change it. She looked like she had spent too much time in the sun and was quite frankly a little weather beaten and using a models photos of a girl 10 years younger. However, I see that she is still out there and I can't believe it but myself and the the next guy (I was review #1) Everyone else has given her a higher rating.
I also see that a TER top girl is in Montreal and her sessions start in the 500$-1000$ range. I would see anyone of James and Sam's girls or just about any agency girl and about 20 indies before coughing up $$$ for this girl and I've met her twice at parties. So what's that say about TER for MERBites?

MERB is way more relevant if you are going to hobby in Montreal.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

Great discussions and all true about many fake reviews on TER just to get VIP credit. Maybe 20 years ago I did some reviews on TER of Toronto escorts but since I am not into the abbreviations and only do save sex. My interest more sensuality and personality that creates a personal connection for the moment but all my reviews were rejected for not being sexual enough. So never did any reviews and paid for VIP.

Rarely a problem on merb or terb (or perb, when I was, was in Victoria BC). A rare review that looks fake is often called out and usually many reviews on an escort. I spend a lot of time on pre-trip research and my infamous spreadsheets! I am very selective in body type so look at pictures and descriptions on mostly agency sites and rarely independents (I won't pay more than about $CDN250/hr). I eliminate any unnatural breasts and all Ds or larger and seek slimmer bodies -smaller breasts. Finding my type of personality and sensuality is harder. Some agency or indies have descriptions that hint at that but most reviews are just hard core sex descriptions which isn't my main focus. After selecting potentials from websites I look for reviews here for my type of potential gems.

It is easier in Toronto since I know so many guys and know who to follow since they are more like me. Also have a good friend - we talk by phone almost weekly - that tests out many escorts and he also seeks personalty more than just sex acts and shares with me.

From my potentials spreadsheet, it makes it easy to try and match when I am in Canada who is on the schedule of agencies each day when I am available. I typically stay 7-10 days at a time in Canada.

 

[hungry101]

I think we have our fair share Dave but when they get caught you know about it. On TER I'm sure they cull reviews too but I don't think the community ever reads about it. I remember the fake review I found for one of the GoodGirls that I had just seen. Everything was wrong in the review. He said that the girl looked like she was in her 30's the and the agency owner lies about these girls. I was just with her and I had seen several girls. I checked his posting history and it was all back page girls that he had seen in NYC and most were for girls he had seen for 15 minutes. TER was less convinced. They said You had your say and he had his. I told the scumbag that the next time he writes a fake review to at least make it a positive review. I think we went back and forth a few times (it was pointless) because he had happened to see another 15 minute crack whore and had more VIP minutes.

The girl in question in my post #9 apparently gives great service including anal. I read the 4 latest reviews and they were 10/10. The latest review gave enough detail so that I was able to read all the services rendered and she sounds like she deserves a 10 for service. But in the three reviews before that there is no indication of service. Just three or four lines that people should see her. I considered challenging the TER staff to say Hey, there is no indication that the girl performed all these services only to make a point. Some of our top, top girls in Montreal - and I am talking legends of Montreal - the TER staff made me downgrade their rating. I remember being challenged by the TER staff: You siad she is really bi but you did you have a 3sum with her? You didn't report it. I argued that she said she would do 3sums. How can I rate a single girl and check the box really bi when I do a 3sum with the girl? Then I would have to list it as two girls. And then there is the other problem. I can care less about anal and I often prefer to cum in the condom during MPOS so, like you Dave, I end up having to short change the girl. I think that some girls get grandfathered in to the "10" rating and then you can go and have GFE service and write nothing more than see this girls she is great and leave a 10.

TER is an imperfect system but in the USA it could be the difference between a total rip-off or LE sting and a good date. In Montreal it can be misleading.

 

[edjohnson]

Ed Johnson TER cooperating with LE

Interesting that even with FOSTA, TER is now back up for ads and reviews in the U.S.


Dave I think TER has made a pact with the Devil
at the same time TER came back in the US they also updated their privacy policy. Read the new privacy policy.
LE is starting to realize that without the help of sites like TER Craigs list etc , they are finding it hard to catch guys so now TER has agreed to turn over personal info from their web site to LE. and I imagine because of that LE has agreed to leave TER alone.

 

[EagerBeaver]

TER has agreed to turn over personal info from their web site to LE. and I imagine because of that LE has agreed to leave TER alone.

That's not a sustainable business model. If providers/customers know in advance that their privacy cannot be assured, TER will not be in business very long. Almost all adult businesses and websites are built upon some level of assured discretion. "We keep your info private, but me might have to turn it over to LE" is not going to cut it.

 

[The Nature Boy]

If I remember correctly that aspect of the privacy statement in some form or the other was present even before TER’s hiatus

 

[edjohnson]

TER cooperating with LE

That's not a sustainable business model. If providers/customers know in advance that their privacy cannot be assured, TER will not be in business very long. Almost all adult businesses and websites are built upon some level of assured discretion. "We keep your info private, but me might have to turn it over to LE" is not going to cut it.

I wonder how many providers/customers have read their privacy policy. I have been a member for years and I dont ever remember reading it before I just happened to discover it because I am very curious as to why after almost two years they are suddenly back in the usa.