Vince Young turns pro!!!

[picasso]

True, but according to the Wonderlic, the guy is also a world-class idiot.

If you can show me that all the top QBs in the NFL score high in the Wonderlic then yes, maybe there is a correlation between Wonderlic and success in the NFL at that position. Other than that, it's pretty much anyone's guess how Young will develop. The system that he finds himself in has a lot more to do than anything else with how well he'll turn out.

 

[Joe.t]

Superbowl, Prowbowl, Hall of fame

These are some of the things that Vince will accomplish as a NFL player, this guy has NFL written all over him and was a monster in the rose bowl, he practically won that game single handedly and one look at that game and you can keep any wonderlic score and 40 yard time were they belong which is on scrap paper.

 

[HonestAbe]

4.58 40 is sluggish?

Maybe compared to his previous time of 4.48 the last time he was clocked in college. Perhaps he was ill or just not up to snuff that day. At any rate, reggie Bushs' 40 time was 4.4 ...the difference between 4.58 and 4.4 is about 1 stride. Bush is a running back, Young is a QB. Youngs time was faster than nearly every other back listed on Espn's draft board for the first round and even some DB's.

Sluggish? I think your talking about Matt Leinarts 4.9 which was right about in the middle of the times for all the top Defensive linemen, well slower than every one of the LB's. There was even one Offensive lineman who ran as fast as him. the 40 doesn't register lateral movement speed either, meaning how fast Young can break your ankles and leave you diving for a ghost.

Youngs' hesitance to participate in such workouts is understandable because his agents have wisely alerted him to the presence of so many idiots who are looking for any reason to downgrade his stock. The idea has been passed around that some of the people who criticize these players so harshly are paid to do so in an effort to get other teams higher in the draft order to pass on them so they can get their hands on him. Its a dirty trick but it is a business and it doesn't surprise me one bit.

Youngs' agents are taking him in the route of "We have nothing to prove as to ability." So if someone wants to see how good he is all they have to do is review his college career and see his 30-2 record as a starter, National Title, and amazing ability to take over such games against the very best opponents and pull victories out of his hat seemingly effortlessly and singlehandedly. He is going in the top 5 without a doubt.

Sadly he won't be the number one pick as he deserves to be based on his performance, thats not to say Reggie Bush is a slouch by any means. Houston needs a RB and they decided to not give up on David Carr, yet, so Reggie Bush wins by DEFAULT. If they needed a QB Young would have been #1 hands down and before anyone takes issue with that keep in mind that Houston is in Texas, for those geographically challenged few, and an overwhelmingly loved figure there after winning the National title. No way would Houston take Bush if they didn't already have Carr.

 

[Joe.t]

"Youngs' hesitance to participate in such workouts is understandable because his agents have wisely alerted him to the presence of so many idiots who are looking for any reason to downgrade his stock. The idea has been passed around that some of the people who criticize these players so harshly are paid to do so in an effort to get other teams higher in the draft order to pass on them so they can get their hands on him. Its a dirty trick but it is a business and it doesn't surprise me one bit.
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Great post as usual Abe, way to tell it like it is, when it comes to football knowledge(not just the game but also the surrounding issues that makes up what the NFL is all about) nobody beats you.

 

[HonestAbe]

Where were we?

Oh yes, Vince Young goes #3 to the Tennessee Titans as I had previously suggested. Matt Leinart gets dropped all the way to #10. So I guess the results are in.

Vince Young did decide to go pro and it was absolutely the right thing for him to do based on his deservedly high selection. He is now a guaranteed multi millionaire.

What else did we learn?

Matt Leinart could absoultely kick himself for not coming out LAST year, whether he admits it or not. Of course he had no way of knowing that Vince Young would come along and steal his thunder, and 10 or 20 million dollars. Hence the logic, strike while the Iron is hot.

Leinart fans shouldn't fret however, the silver lining in all this is that he gets to sit out for a couple years and learn from none other than Kurt Warner out in Phoenix. In a couple years when Warner is ready to retire, Leinart will inherit what should be a premier offensive unit with Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald at WR and Edgerrin James at RB. Leinart is the kind of QB who needs playmakers and fortunately for him he has landed on a team that has them. Just pray that the Phoenix coaching staff doesn't lose its collective mind and do what the Giants did with Warner and Eli, namely starting the Rookie and sitting the Super Bowl MVP. Dumb, just plain Dumb.

Young on the other hand IS the playmaker in Tennessee. He will start this year and learn on the job. Hopefully Lendale White can help him out.

A funny story on the Wunderlic test(not sure how they spell it and I don't care) btw. As told by Prime Time himself. Deion Sanders was walking around the combine when the Giants were giving it(the wunderlic test) out and was told by a NY Giants rep that he could "take a seat and take this test." Deion looked at him and asked "where are you picking?" The Giants rep said "10th" to which Deion replied "Well I'll be long gone by then so don't worry about giving me this test." I guess Tennessee based their decision on Youngs performance on the field and not a test. Smart move.

 

[EagerBeaver]

HA,

A lot of the scouting reports I have read on Young - from paid scouts unlike yourself - categorize him as a "developmental player" who will not be a functional NFL QB for years. Tennessee needs a functional healthy QB effective immediately. The issues with Young go beyond intelligence and reading defenses and extend to his mechanics as well. Ron Jaworski declared that all of his mechanical problems are correctable, but it will take some time. Young is going to have to deal with a lot of pressure and expectations until he "arrives", so to speak. Remember Tim Couch, who was drafted #1 overall in 1999 and is now 2 years removed from his last NFL pass? Could not handle the pressure.

Meanwhile, the real story is my Giants who stole Mathias Kiwanuka with the 32nd pick (he never should have fallen that far) and now have the most fearsome pass rush in the NFL with Strahan, Umenyura, Arrington and Kiwanuka. The Giants also got Sinorice Moss, the speedy younger brother of Santana Moss, in the second round.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Here is the rivals.com scouting report on Vince Young:

"Pros: A superior athlete with the height to fill out further and the speed and agility to be a huge factor outside the pocket. Clearly a prospect with the potential to become an NFL star after refinement of his rare athleticism and intangibles. He can improvise and throw on the move, and his running ability puts incredible pressure on a defense -- linebackers are not fast enough to stay with him and safeties are not big enough to take him down. A cross between Randall Cunningham and Donovan McNabb with the talent to surpass both.
Cons: As a passer, he needs extensive work in all areas to be ready to start in the NFL. During his collegiate career, his throwing mechanics were barely adequate, and with some valuable time with an NFL QB coach, he can round out his game tremendously during his rookie season. He has to be considered a developmental player. His footwork needs improvement to make quick, accurate throws, and he probably needs to sit for at least one season.
Numbers: He did not work out at the Combine. As a junior, he was 182-of-285 (63.9 percent) for 2,769 yards and 26 TDs to go with 850 yards rushing and nine TDs. His 168.6 passing efficiency rating led the nation, and he became Texas’ single-season record-holder in total offense with 3,619 yards."

 

[Joe.t]

The more important question is who will win the superbowl? here are my 3 picks

1.Atlanta(very improved defence with the addition of Abraham and Milloy and also expect them to give Vick what he wants which is to call more of his own plays which means Atlanta will be a fun and exciting team to watch).

2-Dallas(They have given Bledsoe a nuclear weapon in Owens who some say is the best WR in all of football and who also is a difference maker, also it is now or never for Parcells as i think he is looking to retire and would like to go out on top).

3-NY Giants(Arrington is one of the best LB's in football and will improve a already good defence and also expect a big big year from Barber and Manning who just might do what his big brother can not which is win a big game).

 

[HonestAbe]

HA,

A lot of the scouting reports I have read on Young - from paid scouts unlike yourself - categorize him as a "developmental player" who will not be a functional NFL QB for years. Tennessee needs a functional healthy QB effective immediately. The issues with Young go beyond intelligence and reading defenses and extend to his mechanics as well. Ron Jaworski declared that all of his mechanical problems are correctable, but it will take some time. Tim Couch

Umenyura and Kiwanuka.

How do you know I'm not a paid scout EB? Batting a thousand so far on predictions as to Vince Young aren't I?

Please name the last NFL rookie QB who didn't need "development." If ever there was a more bogus issue...

Care to bet a Souvlaki sandwich that Young starts this year?

Good old Ron Jaworski thinks Young can be "fixed"? I'm sure the Titans are relieved to hear that after taking him #3. Ron should stick to color commentating.

Young had NO "mechanical problems" being the most dominant QB in college football and apparently the Titans thought he was just fine too because at this stage of the game no one is going to change Vince Youngs throwing motion to any great degree. At 6'5 1/2 he can throw sidearm and still be releasing the ball higher than Joe Montana ever did, not that I would compare Young to Joe Montana. I hope you aren't comparing Young to Tim Couch.

Your Giants will have one of the most difficult DL rosters to pronounce thats for sure. If the Cowboys are Americas team the Giants must be shooting for Africas' team.

I respectfully disagree with anyone who thinks Houston did themselves a favor drafting a DE. Of the last 5 D lineman selected #1 only one of them, Russell Maryland of the 90's Cowboys ever made the Pro Bowl and he only did it once. Top pick D lineman are not a great way to spend a #1 draft pick. Especially when there is a Reggie Bush available to compliment your offense. David Carr must be absolutely livid, whether he admits it or not. Williams didn't even come on strong til the end of the season leaving question marks about his consistency over the course of a year. New Orleans definitely came out of this on top despite the fact that Bushes' parents have scandal stamped on their foreheads. Kind of like another Bush family we all know.

 

[spin]

WOW Mario Williams #1??? The Texans and Mr.Williams are going to find out very soon that Offensive linemen in the NFL are NOT as easy as those in the NCAA. Mario Williams will not be an impact player this year and probably won't be next year either.

I can't believe they took him over Reggie Bush, this kid can run the ball, catch the ball (yes even the deep ball) and return kicks - What the hell were they thinking???

Anyway a few other draft comments, EagerBeaver I think your Giants (who anyday now I'm sure will be referred to as "The hardest working team in football") will be very happy with Sinorice Moss - this kid can play. The Saints still can't believe the Texans took Mario Williams... I'm not a paid pro scout but I do know my college ball, Vince Young will be better than Micheal Vick -Arizona is a good place for Leinart, I also think Leinart fell into place right where he should have at #10 - I would compare him to Tim Couch before Young (although no one really deserves that).

As a lifelong Cowboy fan I hate to admit it but the Giants look very very good this year, Eli has some skills (I think he's more talented than his brother) and seems to have found chemistry with Shockey (this kid can play ball).

Super Bowl Contenders:

NY Giants
Pittsburgh Steelers
Dallas Cowboys
New England Patriots