Hello all,
Turks aren`t Arabs either.
Totally agree, don`t need the sterotype,...they certainly were not rabid muslim radicals, but their concept of equality for women, all women, not just SP was totally alien to me. Turks treated western women that accompanied their spouses to Incirlik horribly, Most wives of friends I knew refused to go there or would divorce before returning for second tour.
I have a friend that lived and worked in Jordan with Save the Children charity. She was immersed in the culture, speaking and writing arabic. She absolutely loved the people, was treated wonderfully and lived there for ten years. Totally different culture, wow she has no use for the Israelis though. Interesting conversations, not what we hear on the local news.
LL
Someone with a xenophobic hatred of Arabs and Muslims can`t offer anything on this subject because he is so predisposed to stereotypes.
With the usual Islamic prohibitions on alcohol, promiscuity, their severe restrictions on socialization with women, their view of the proper place of women even in the less severe Muslim states, together with typical feelings on Americans I have no doubt that American servicemen and their wives found conditions in Turkey and Arab countries very hard to live with.
Jordan though, is one of those countries that had been determined for a long time to cut out it`s own path and create a unique character. I don`t know much about this country in great detail, but it seems to have achieved a greater blend (greater, but not meaning a large amount) of cosmopolitan acceptance with Islamic religion. Many successful Islamic rulers in history, especially the greatest of them, were the most tolerant for interweaving outside ideas and peoples within their states and empires, while maintaining their own values.
Lublaw, prostitution is totally legal in Turkey. Brothels are state run in that country.
Yeah, but my point was they are treated like slaves or worse. I have no interest in seeing girls indentured to servitude.
Maybe I am naive but most of the girls I see in Montreal seem to be working of their own free will. Sure there are some pimps, but it is not institutional. The way girls change agencys (I can`t keep up) I don`t think it is all that organized
I am just a romantic, I still hope Jessie will come out of retirement - ha ha
Little Hottie come out of retirement? Ummmmmmmmmmm...mini-cougars.
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This is what weighs most heavily for me when considering so-called hobbying in Islamic countries. Whatever the level of freedom is in Montreal in choosing the escort business, in Islamic countries, as I understand it, a prostitute is branded for life. There is probably no choice but expulsion from the family, and servitude in the brothels or attempt to survive practically alone as a social pariah. It`s close to de facto slavery. Even if that doesn`t bother a client, the fact that a woman is pretty much stuck there gives her no motivation for what we on this board call GFE service. It would seem laughable to even consider this could exist in brothels, though among companions, who surely exist for the wealthy, those conditions and motivations are probably more positive.
But what should also weigh on the Montreal client who wants to believe the ladies there have a choice, as I think many have, is that the Muslim woman in a brothel has nearly always had little other choice but prostitution.
Remember that virginity/chastity must be perfect to be worthy of marriage. Even among Muslims living in the West ( U.S., Canada, Europe, etc. ) any signs of independence or disobedience by Muslim girls can be viewed as tantamount to criminal behavior, and honor killings are committed despite Western laws.
ARTICLES:
Below is one example of a Muslim women`s testimony of why she became a ``hooker``. It includes a very surprising revelation on
first sexual experience for some Muslim males caused by sexual ignorance and repression:
Muslim woman picks life as a hooker over the oppression of islam.
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/...ife-as-a-hooker-over-the-oppression-of-islam/
Here is one good reason to make your ``hobbying`` choice in Islamic countries very, very carefully:
Egypt: Mob Attacks Christian Man for Visiting Muslim Brothel
http://islam-watch.org/index.php?op...n-for-visiting-muslim-brothel&catid=103:islam
People like Daydreamer who loathe Feminists for many reasons, including the threat to his rights to buy sex, should realize that Muslim Feminists are often the only hope for escaping sexual slavery in their countries.
For me, all of these conditions give me ample reason to reject any hobbying in these countries or anywhere this situation seems to exist.
Happy choices,
Merlot
