Who do you find more reliable? Indies or Agencies?

[Merlot]

Twice I have been told that they were worried about a LE sting.

Hello Hungry,

So, part of your references are experiences in the U.S.? Even though I never had a problem with Independents there either I was referring only to my Montreal experiences. Some of the Independent ladies I have met are Miss Samantha, Neesha Kiss, Lilly Lombard, little Racquelle, Maria Divina, the great Anik, and I would consider Elena Independent too. One big advantage with these ladies was being able to take the time to pick well, and I never had a "no-show".

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[Merlot]

Hello Hungry,

I have to make one amendment about my perfect record with Independents appointments. I had completely forgotten there was that one lady, Bianka the tall young beautiful Independent escort with large breasts who was extremely popular. Two summers ago I had confirmed an appointment with her and given her the hotel before leaving for the trip. The next day when I called her to give my room and phone number around 4 pm she failed to call back. The next day was the appointment and I never heard from her again even though I sent PMs, email, and made several calls. I think the problem was I was supposed to be downtown but had to book in Laval because of the lack of rooms under $140 on a busy weekend. I could understand she might not want to leave downtown, but she didn't even have enough class to say so. So there was one "no-show".

The funniest and saddest part was a bunch of pathetic kiss ass admirers of hers posted to bitch at me for reporting her terrible behavior. It was the same guys that have no backbone on principle until it happens to them, then they bitch even louder.

I don't know how I forgot about this one, but it was the one time.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[Net Profit Margin]

^ Merlot did you tell Bianka that you moved the appointment to Laval because of the lack of rooms under $140? Because if you did, there's the reason why she stood you up.

 

[Merlot]

Hello NPM,

Bianka was kept informed as things developed. There was never any objection about anything from her regarding the hotel. She confirmed the day before the trip and all she needed was the room number. Then when I called to give it she failed to respond despite being given the three avenues of phone, PM, and email.

Let me ask you a question. Is it ever acceptable for an escort or agency to simply disappear on any client after they have confirmed an appointment...or vice versa??? Of course it isn't.

I can understand the extra time factor of going to Laval from Montreal. I drove that distance twice myself while I was there, and I did it in the heart of business hours when the traffic was a pain in the butt. It took more than 45 minutes one way. So if an escort has objections about using that much travel time when she might have other appointments I understand she might want to cancel. Okay, so where was the call or message? Why wasn't the issue brought up when the Laval hotel was first mentioned? I've seen escorts on this board get angry over clients who just ditch them. Don't they owe us the same courtesy?

There is nothing acceptable about how she, or anyone who does that, handled the situation. Those who backed her condoned very bad business practices, and that's besides acting so pussy whipped and paying for that privilege. The escorts wouldn't accept that behavior and neither should any clients with manhood.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[Net Profit Margin]

Hello back Merlot ,

It 's not so much the extended driving than the suggestion that you were on a budget that may have turned her off and made it that she didn't want your business (otherwise she would have tried to make it up to you). Some indies pick and choose the few regulars they 'll gladly send to the cleaners so it's only normal they'll bump the johns with the lowest payoff potential.

I won't ask you from what framework comes that sense of entitlement of yours that makes you think they would owe us something but I hope you are not blind to reality: yes, it 's all about cash!

Cheers!

NPM

 

[Merlot]

....sense of entitlement of yours that makes you think they would owe us something...

Hello NPM,

Could you explain where a "sense of entitlement" comes in about the following actual situation:

An escort advertises her services at a certain rate. I accept the rate and ask for two hours. I tell her when and where and how long I can meet her and after hearing all the precise conditions she accepts the appointment. All she needs now is the room number and when I call to give it she never responds. All that would be expected of either party was for both to keep their word, OR if something changed to let the other party know they had to cancel the deal.

So what is being entitled about any of that when all that is being asking is honesty and being responsible about a freely chosen commitment?

If "it's all about cash" then why make an appointment in the first place that you imply didn't provide a sufficient rate of pay...a rate she chose and posted publicly, and which was the basis of her choice to accept the deal?

You're making excuses for bad business behavior, and you are making illogical allusions as to her decisions when you have no idea what she was thinking.

As for choosing between clients who have a more restricted budget and those that don't, I never gave her my identity so she never knew what my expense level was. First time clients, even rich ones, often test their intimacy connection with any escort with shorter appointments. If she was guessing according to the hotel choice, there are very few clients I've read on the board, no matter how well heeled with money, who pay more than $140 for a room at any time of the year. If any of this was a factor in the first place then she was engaging in shady double dealing. Is that was you call a legit business model? Since 2001 this has happened to me exactly once before...and the escort still let me know by phone about the change.

Again all she had to do was communicate that she couldn't make it. Whatever any escort has in mind THIS IS THE LEAST ANY OF THEM SHOULD DO. Just let each other know what they have decided about changing a deal.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[Net Profit Margin]

Merlot,

The bottom line is that Bianka changed her mind about you and that she made it clear, by ignoring you, that she couldn't care less about your business. I know it sucks but what good is it for you to hold a grudge and rehash your misadventure every chance you get? I'm trying to tell you that it doesn't reflect well on you. Let it go.

 

[Merlot]

I'm trying to tell you that it doesn't reflect well on you. Let it go.

I mentioned the episode in this thread because it is about whether Independents or agencies are more reliable. Having forgotten the episode originally I had made the claim of having a perfect score with appointments for Independents. Then this episode came back to mind and in all fairness to the subject of the thread I had to correct my original assertion about my own experiences. That was all that happened on this whole issue until you chimed in with some questions and assertions to keep it going.

I responded further to what seemed like honest questions on subject...BY YOU. But all you have done is try to put the blame on the client and not once have you stated anything related to the absolute fact that ditching a client on a freely agreed deal fully knowing the conditions and terms is an awful inexcusable business practice. Instead you preach like a pussy-whipped bad escort apologist, who everyone knows wouldn't accept that kind of treatment for himself.

Your view is about the idea that it's okay for clients and escorts to treat each other shabbily in this business for money, and it's an insult to honest escorts and clients alike. That's precisely what you reflect. Grow some principles, honorable ones. :amen:

ADIEU!

Merlot

 

[st-cum]

Objectively, I have been equally well served by independents and agencies. I started off favouring independents but I am now pretty firmly an agency man (with no particular loyalties to any one agency per se). A proven track record of reliability will always get my business. I am also willing to give second chances... everyone can have an off night...

 

[Amelie.courtesan]

After today I have one point to add to this thread.

I think some clients are not as reliable when booking independants as when booking with agencies.
today me and adelle had 2 no shows in one of our rare duo days... one of which didnt even call or write.

I think indies get cancellations more often than agencies because clients have less to lose, only one girl blacklists them... hey girls how about we start sharing a list of our no shows?

 

[Lily from Montreal]

Very good idea...
And the weirdest thing is that I have a lot of ''repeat'' no-show...I always joke that when I recognize a email address of someone I've never met it is a bad sign...
I've had guys book me every 6 months or so and it is only when I tell them don't you remember you stood me up last time ?(I give ONE chance),they either disappear ,that's good,or say:''yes but this time I will probably go thru''...hum..no?
A word of advice,if your game is just to get excited by booking but not do the deed ,at least keep a list of the one you stood up, maybe a agency girl sees so many guys she lost track but not a sp like me who have met 6 men so far this year...I will remember you lol

 

[panthere]

Very good idea...
And the weirdest thing is that I have a lot of ''repeat'' no-show...I always joke that when I recognize a email address of someone I've never met it is a bad sign...
I've had guys book me every 6 months or so and it is only when I tell them don't you remember you stood me up last time ?(I give ONE chance),they either disappear ,that's good,or say:''yes but this time I will probably go thru''...hum..no?
A word of advice,if your game is just to get excited by booking but not do the deed ,at least keep a list of the one you stood up, maybe a agency girl sees so many guys she lost track but not a sp like me who have met 6 men so far this year...I will remember you lol

Pour MOI...ces les AGENCES que j'ai faites affaires sont plus fiables que les INDYS...A part 2 exception...Jenny Love et la charmante SP qui es revenu a temps partiel dans le domaine dont je suis ravie qui a date les 2 on toujourssssssssss été de parole...
Pour ce qui es des autres indys que j'ai rencontré.... ou que j'aimerai rencontré ,bien elle se sont avéré être des personnes sans parole=après les avoirs complimenté bien sure=2 faces .. ou des personnes trop occupé ou indisponible ou qui fasse de faux RDZ etc..Mais j'avoue que ces vraiment remplie de plus en plus de personnes a 2 visage dans ce milieu du sexe même dans les merbistes... Même Que certaines ose dire ou même se plaindre ..qu'elle vivent des situations désagréable,ou bien des faux RDZ,ou bien autres mésaventures..Mais pourtant ELLE le font tout autant..Ces pathétiques cette attitude déloyal..
Agencies that I deal in the past are far more reliable than indies :amen:
P.S.Lily je parle pas de toi en passant x...Mais j'aime ton commentaire car j'ai lue la même plainte au sujet d'une indys qui ses déjà plaint de cela et elle ma faite la même chose...faque dans un sens je suis content que le KARMA vous revienne pour certaines

 

[johnybird]

In my Indy only experience I really haven't had any issues with reliability or anything else for that matter.
Even when i've booked way in advance, everything has gone smoothly and professionally.

I've always had great experiences with the Indy's i've seen.

 

[2458p]

Je ne suis peut-être pas le meilleur client pour poster dans ce thread puisque je ne fais affaire qu'avec une agence et je vois très peu d'Indy mais je dois dire que j'aime la relation que j'ai avec mon agence favorite. Quand je téléphone pour reserver ils savent que c'est moi et le tout se fait de façon amicale. "salut Jo", "hey comment ça va Jo", etc. C'est sûrement à cause que j'y vais à tout les mois et surtout que je suis un gentleman avec les filles, certaines filles que j'ai vu se sont passé le mot sur le fait que je suis super doux et que je traite les filles avec le plus grand des respect et je crois que les booker l'apprecie beaucoup, ils m'ont donner quelques scoops par téléphone ( genre une nouvelle fille arrive la semaine prochaine, etc ) et j'aime la relation que j'ai avec l'agence, bâtit sur le respect et la confiance.

Le respect attire le respect et je suis content qu'ils le savent. Ça peut sembler un peu stupide mais c'est important pour moi d'avoir une bonne relation avec mon agence. :smile:

 

[Jamesrenard44]

C'est comme comparer des pommes et des oranges. Avec une agence, on traite avec un gestionnaire qui adminstre les horaires et qui a à sa disposition un plan B, C et D. Ils n'ont pas de Incall à gérer (à quelques exceptions près), c'est une organisation contrairement ou indépendante où on bénéfice d'un service personnalisé avec celle avec qui on passera du temps. Les Booker avec qui j'ai eu à traiter sont de vrais gentleman mais je peux pas comparer avec le fait de discuter de me désirs, de mes appréhensions avec une indépendante. Le risque d'annulation est plus grand avec une indépendante mais ça fait partie du jeu je crois. Mais je suis vraiment pas prêt à dire qu'une fille d'agence est plus fiable qu'une indépendante...

My 2 cents..

 

[Rimshot]

I’ve been lucky enough to only have a few cancelations with reputable agencies and one with a now retired Indy. For me, the overall reliability level is about the same % level. Then again, I usually with well reviewed agencies and Indys.

Sure they are frustrating, I mean you’re “in the mood”, primed, all dolled up, trimmed, shaven and maybe even medicated, and left standing with your d*** in your hands scrambling for a plan B ! On the other hand, as a hobbyist, this is not like buying a freekin Toyota. You have to expect for some reliability issues to happen and roll with the punches.

On one occasion, an SP showed up for our meeting at a time when there was a flood at her place! I mean, that’s dedication! But honestly, I would have understood if she had not come in for work – I know I wouldn’t have in similar circumstances.

From the SP’S perspective, I get that it’s a totally different issue, it impacts revenues. So must be a lot more frustrating. So guys, man up and a least let them know if you’re not gonna show.

The one thing that left me wondering is that when a last minute cancellation happened with an agency, none of the bookers ever made any attempts to figure out a plan B with me – “ Sorry, but ______ has cancelled today, but maybe you’d like to see _____, I think you’d like her.” Or something like that.

My 2₵.
Rim

 

[jacep]

i woud say i have been cancelations on rufly same ratio with indys & agencys with indys being slitely hier for me but mabe just unlucky. i wold say in my experience indys genraly will cancel easier since they are in charge of thier shcedules & they only cause booking issue with one person (hobyist). agency ladys not only cause disapointment with hobyists but allso cause issues with agencys/bookers & if agency ladys cancells two ofen, agency/booker will put on black list & mabe eventualy terminate so ladys dont want to cancel too much with agencys. i had 1 lady from reputabel agency show up with allergys & blowing her nose every 10 minutes or so in 2 hour apointment. it definitly put a damper on things. i woud have perferd that she canceled as most indys would have done.

i dont have an issue with cancelations since they hapen and agencys cant control wat hapens to some of thier ladys just like indy ladys cant control how they feel that day or wat time of month it is. i wuld much rather a cancelation than a bad services b/c lady wasnt 100%.

The one thing that left me wondering is that when a last minute cancellation happened with an agency, none of the bookers ever made any attempts to figure out a plan B with me – “ Sorry, but ______ has cancelled today, but maybe you’d like to see _____, I think you’d like her.” Or something like that.

My 2₵.
Rim

most agencys i deel with dont offer a plan b. i perfer it this way. if i want that agency to be my plan b, i will ask. i dont want them to ask me or push someone on me.

for me, conversation i perfer is:
<booker>: sorry. jane canceled. time of month.
<jacep>: okay thanks.

or
<booker>: sorry. jane canceled. time of month.
<jacep>: okay. thanks. do u have any one else availabel?
<booker>: joan is availabel. rufly same time.
<jacep>: let me think abut it and get back to u. (i then might try difrent agencys or watever if i realy want to see someone that day)

i dont like...
<booker>: sorry. jane canceled. time of month. i have joan availabel at rufly same time.

in terms of noshows, for ladys/agencys i dont realy acept it. just man up and say that lady wont be there or show up. for hobyists same thing. if not feeling well or need to cancel, just man up & let ladys/agencys know. not showing up is completly unaceptabel without leting hobyist know or ladys/agencys know.

 

[Thor Jr]

Well considering that the 2 times i did book with an Indy i was cancelled on at the last minute with my only repercussions was to turn to an agency for relief, i tend to lean toward the agencies for more reliable only cause they at least can offer a designated hitter, but with that said, agencies aren't that reliable either, they also have cancelled and a various of other problems have arisen in the past, but i will not give up on Indies just yet, so i guess you can still call me an Indy virgin, at least i have that going for myself, lol. Their are so many Indies out there and i just cant seem to know who to pop my cherry with, lol. Sorry, couldnt resist.


Thor Jr

 

[Doggyluver]

I thought I'd weigh in . Personally I prefer to see an indy for the simple reason that if I hit it off with her I can return to see her again and again knowing what to expect and what the chemistry will be. With an agency I find there is too much punch the clock when you walk in and punch the clock when your time is up. An indy who is well organized is less concerned with the clock. I have seen a favorite whom I booked for an hour and after the chit chat had gone on for about 30 mins I reminded her that we might run out of time. She told me that because she enjoys the time with me she had no one else booked for a while and that she will control the time and told me not to worry. We continued talking and I ended up spending over 2 hours with her but paid for the one. I should point out that I am a 1 SOG client so it wasn't as if I was doing the deed over and over lol I would never have this rapport with a girl working for an agency. I do find that in order to unearth the gems a client really needs to do his homework and be patient to find that girl that he will return to see again and again. I have established friendships with some of the girls I have seen over the years that extends beyond this business. They are out of the business and I continue to see them even though we do not have sex together. Some of these women I count among my close friends and I have introduced them to my other friends ( without ever mentioning how we met ) and they have close friendships with my friends and family as a result. A girl who as Amelie said here is serious about her business is a pleasure to deal with and can be a delight to see again and again, I never felt that way about an agency girl.

 

[legmann]

Agencies by far, overall. My experience with the Montreal (outcall) agencies so far has been without incident.

My past experiences with independents (in general) have sometimes been frustrating to say the leas (in terms of scheduling, keeping appts, etc.)