Why isn’t “BJ only” a standard service?
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I would argue that cockworship is a completely separate service, and would be classified separately..maybe like Tantra or some fetish stuff. Totally agree that it's harder work and requires more direct attention. I hate to see the term GFE degraded though, and turned into this catch-all dumping ground for anything considered "supplemental". We might as well change the meaning from "girlfriend experience" to "Gotta Fork-out Extra", because that seems to be what it's turning into.
I would think that you advertise cock-worship as a separate, individual service, price accordingly and leave it at that. Anyone who is advertising "cock-worship $25 extra" isn't going to be anyone worth seeing
As someone who does have a "BJ only" service for cheaper than GFE, I still disagree that it should be a standard, lower priced offer. These appointments can often be actually more tiring than full service for several reasons. I only have a special for it because it's my favorite bedroom act and what I'm best known for - so I took my strenght and turned it into a separate service of its own. It works for me. That doesn't mean it's less work. If I wasn't such a fiend for oral, I would be charging MORE, not less, for a bj only session. And I suspect this would be the case if it became "a thing" in the way OP suggests.
I would argue that cockworship is a completely separate service, and would be classified separately..maybe like Tantra or some fetish stuff. Totally agree that it's harder work and requires more direct attention. I hate to see the term GFE degraded though, and turned into this catch-all dumping ground for anything considered "supplemental". We might as well change the meaning from "girlfriend experience" to "Gotta Fork-out Extra", because that seems to be what it's turning into.
I would think that you advertise cock-worship as a separate, individual service, price accordingly and leave it at that. Anyone who is advertising "cock-worship $25 extra" isn't going to be anyone worth seeing
You and me, we see terms of GFE as different topics. You see it as the acronyms, I see it as the overall atmosphere of visit. There is adoration and desire to please, she needs to enjoy worshiping the cock, or it isn't cockworship. I also don't see it as an extra, because to me that's just a damn good bj being offered. Why would I charge more for doing it how I like to?
Providers set their lowest willing prices in their ads. Just because it doesn't say bj only session, doesn't mean they don't offer it, often it is just this is the lowest price they are willing to go, and this is the upper most they will do at that price. You are more than able to ask for less. But accept that the price quoted doesn't change unless the provider says otherwise on your request. It's just about communicating expectations in the booking process.
Who knows they might have a lower price for it when you suggest it is what you want, and they just don't want to advertise it because they don't want to find themselves, just doing that all day every day. It's why discussions happen during booking.
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I think you missed the part where I agreed how much work cock worship is. The people I know usually charge either the same or more for it than regular FS, not less. I wasn't the one looking for lower prices. I also don't view cock worship as merely a BJ, or a BJ session. Since it's not a widely advertised service around here I understand that perceptions can be different though. Still, I view it as a premium service worth more, not less, but I make a clear distinction between CW and a "BJ only session"
As for the GFE thing I stand by what I said. I think it's becoming more and more of a catch all term and for many ladies an excuse to charge more without offering more in what is to me is becoming an undesirable a-la-carte environment, the same thing that basically stopped people going to Mexico to play. I totally understand that the ladies are not going to view it this way and will push back on that characterization but I'll just point out that I'm far from the only one, even on this board, who sees it that way.
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That is why communication when booking is important. Clarity of desires and expectations. Asking if something you would like is part of their GFE, because everyone has their own things they allow it to cover, not everyone is out to call everything an extra, and have their own ways of doing things.
You might find out someone else's definition of GFE might not be as rigid and cold as your definition, and might actually be something more in the end than you would expect it to be. It is obviously a term that means very different things depending who is useing it, and it needs clarification by anyone who uses it what it stands for for them.
That's really exactly my point, with respect to the clarification aspect. When I say it everyone knows exactly what I'm talking about, I don't have to explain it any further, and that's the way it is in most places, so no "translations" are needed. When anybody here says it nobody has any idea of what it really means. I like my way better.
Because it sucks...
Sorry I could'nt resist
Sorry I could'nt resist
Looks like this thread went in a different direction than I originally intended, maybe because of my lack of precision.
Honestly, this was a simple question that came to mind after reading another thread, specifically @Skym 's comment: "Go in for a quick blowie and leave with a smile on your face & an empty nut sack lol." As someone new to this hobby, I naively wondered, "If there are providers offering FS, surely there are also providers who offer only a BJ, right?" I assumed that a BJ only service would be more common, given that, in terms of "intensity", I think we can all agree that it falls somewhere in the middle of a scale that goes kiss < bj < fs < greek.
I should also stress the fact that when I say BJ only I mean a quick BJ to completion, including HJ if needed. I did not mean cock workship, mainly because I wasn't even aware of that term as I'm pretty vanilla (although it was also mentioned in the other thread). I completely agree that CW sounds very demanding and shouldn't necessarily be cheapear than FS. I also agree with @urquell that CW (and also BJ only) should be classified separately and not as an extra/discount from FS. However, I still think that a BJ only service (under my definition) should be (significantly) cheaper than FS as it takes much less time, effort and involves less risks for everyone involved.
Lastly, I want to insist that my question is why such a service is not standard, and not about me being cheap. For most current SPs including such a service might not make sense, specially if they're already happy with their FS rates and bookings. But I could see it being a good, lower-effort (not in a bad way, I hope the thread doesn't change direction again because of this one comment) option for some providers, or even as their exclusive service if they aren't comfortable with FS.
Honestly, this was a simple question that came to mind after reading another thread, specifically @Skym 's comment: "Go in for a quick blowie and leave with a smile on your face & an empty nut sack lol." As someone new to this hobby, I naively wondered, "If there are providers offering FS, surely there are also providers who offer only a BJ, right?" I assumed that a BJ only service would be more common, given that, in terms of "intensity", I think we can all agree that it falls somewhere in the middle of a scale that goes kiss < bj < fs < greek.
I should also stress the fact that when I say BJ only I mean a quick BJ to completion, including HJ if needed. I did not mean cock workship, mainly because I wasn't even aware of that term as I'm pretty vanilla (although it was also mentioned in the other thread). I completely agree that CW sounds very demanding and shouldn't necessarily be cheapear than FS. I also agree with @urquell that CW (and also BJ only) should be classified separately and not as an extra/discount from FS. However, I still think that a BJ only service (under my definition) should be (significantly) cheaper than FS as it takes much less time, effort and involves less risks for everyone involved.
Lastly, I want to insist that my question is why such a service is not standard, and not about me being cheap. For most current SPs including such a service might not make sense, specially if they're already happy with their FS rates and bookings. But I could see it being a good, lower-effort (not in a bad way, I hope the thread doesn't change direction again because of this one comment) option for some providers, or even as their exclusive service if they aren't comfortable with FS.
Have you ever sucked a dick? If not, go suck a cock and get back to us. I think you might change your mind.
Maybe, but until then, I'll stick with the common-sense notion that a BJ is a less involved action than FS in every possible sense.
I don’t know how a BBBJ is less risk than a covered FS but that is for another discussion.
I am sure if there would be or will be a market for a BJ only then it will happen.
It is always about $$$ as there are many SP that provide BJ as part of their GFE and I think almost all would be open to providing just a BJ if the price remained the same as their GFE offering.
So basically there is no shortage of getting a BJ only it is just a matter of if you are willing to pay the equivalent of a GFE service.
There are of course a few like Julia who do offer a BJ only and there are very few that can match her skill
I am sure if there would be or will be a market for a BJ only then it will happen.
It is always about $$$ as there are many SP that provide BJ as part of their GFE and I think almost all would be open to providing just a BJ if the price remained the same as their GFE offering.
So basically there is no shortage of getting a BJ only it is just a matter of if you are willing to pay the equivalent of a GFE service.
There are of course a few like Julia who do offer a BJ only and there are very few that can match her skill
OK, let's try it from a few different viewpoints, any or all of which may be valid depending on the provider:
1) Demand. I mentioned this one earlier, but I think it's probably pretty safe to say that most guys want FS as at least a component of their session
2) Opportunity cost. While you might view this as a shorter service you have to keep in mind what it means for the lady. She still has to do all the same get-ready stuff and if you're using an incall that needs to be set up etc. Why would she do this for a session that pays less rather than a session that pays more, assuming she has a demand for her services? It makes sense to take the better paying client, in the same way that longer sessions can bump 1hr sessions, etc.
3) Pretty much every SP already offers a BJ only service. You just need to ask for it and that's what they'll do. Since it's not really a question of availability then it's a question of cost. You would like to pay less, but they would like to make more. There aren't really too many reasons to offer to take less money rather than more in a job, other than pure enjoyment. I think @Julia Sky has said something similar somewhere, so maybe she's a good option for you.
Now, stepping outside of the realm of indy SPs, agency girls and whatever there are a number of women who advertise "car service", which is exactly what you want, a quick, in and out BJ to completion for substantially less cash. The quality of the blowjob may be superb, but the quality of the lady will very likely be significantly less, and of course it's in your car. The other alternative is to go and see MP girls and you are very likely to be able to get anything from a mediocre to very good massage coupled with a blowjob for less than what you'd be paying an SP. Not all MPs offer this, but many do, so best to clarify beforehand.
I know there is one lady in Ottawa that offers "Glory Hole" experiences, I just forgot her name
I guess it makes sense that something that takes a lot of effort and is perceived as "cheaper" would be offered less often
EDIT: her name is
I guess it makes sense that something that takes a lot of effort and is perceived as "cheaper" would be offered less often
EDIT: her name is
Amber Meow
You are right, I overlooked this point, but that is a separate discussion.
I'm mostly interested in the cultural/business question of why it is not a widely offered standard service with its own rate, not looking for suggestions. HOWEVER, this example is very interesting as her rate for "Glory Hole" seems to be significantly lower than even 30 minutes of FS, and she does it incall which was one of the concerns raised by @urquell. This is a good example of what I thought would be widely offered.
Maybe because it doesn’t take as little time, effort, or risk as you think it does.
I would add that when meeting a new client, whether it is for 30 minutes or 5 hours, the risk of him being a bad, violent client exists. So just the risk of meeting a stranger in an intimate, vulnerable setting is high in itself and is worth a lot of money. Now, the health risk is also present since gonorrhea and syphilis can be transmitted in the throat, along with all the infections that only requires skin contact. Some clients will also take advantage of a position to try to put their finger in your ass, pussy, or try to rub your clitoris in a clumsy, hurtful way, maybe try to kiss you and grab your boobs under your bra even though he was only interested in a blowjob.
Having a penis inserted in my vagina is not the hardest part.
That too.
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