In U.S Strip clubs u can't touch ; forget about a relaxing massage for a decent price and escorts?..well you'd be very lucky to even get a response.Some screen "clients" before you even let you talk to an escort. I think all the sexual frustration shows up as crime of all sorts down there..
Why U.S is not open sexually like Canada and Europe/Australia?
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Azzaro,
You have to understand a bit about American history to understand the morality of our culture. We are the descendants of religious zealots who fled persecution in England and other countries- the Puritans and others who settled the original 13 states. They established laws in the 1700s which in many cases are still on the books. These laws made criminal many things that are deemed acceptable in today's somewhat more enlightened world. The legal tradition that is rooted in these laws has been very slow to change, however, especially in the northeastern USA and the midwest.. Prosecutors and LE pander to public interest and our media has an obsessive tradition with respect to the reporting of perceived sex crimes, prostitution busts and publishing names and details of busts. As a result the adult businesses that operate in the USA either do so under the radar, so to speak, or with payments that either directly or indirectly benefit local LE. As a result, the price is higher because there is a built in cost to the risk of operating such a business.
The really successful strip clubs are closely regulated by the owners and girls who offer extras are quickly fired. I know this for a fact.
It is very dangerous for you or any Canadian hobbyist to hobby in the USA at this time. It is an election year which means LE is very active in an effort to show voters that they really are out there doing something. In Hartford, CT 2 days ago there was a major prostitution sting in which 12 people were arrested, including the top assistant coach for UConn's 2004 National Champion Men's Basketball team, whose crime was offering $10 to an undercover cop for a blow job. See this article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=1863293
All of you, please listen to me on this, DO NOT HOBBY in the USA until after the elections are over unless you know the SP in question. Do not even think about the SW scene. Wait until the elections are over, or do it in Canada. It is not worth the risks or the price.
You have to understand a bit about American history to understand the morality of our culture. We are the descendants of religious zealots who fled persecution in England and other countries- the Puritans and others who settled the original 13 states. They established laws in the 1700s which in many cases are still on the books. These laws made criminal many things that are deemed acceptable in today's somewhat more enlightened world. The legal tradition that is rooted in these laws has been very slow to change, however, especially in the northeastern USA and the midwest.. Prosecutors and LE pander to public interest and our media has an obsessive tradition with respect to the reporting of perceived sex crimes, prostitution busts and publishing names and details of busts. As a result the adult businesses that operate in the USA either do so under the radar, so to speak, or with payments that either directly or indirectly benefit local LE. As a result, the price is higher because there is a built in cost to the risk of operating such a business.
The really successful strip clubs are closely regulated by the owners and girls who offer extras are quickly fired. I know this for a fact.
It is very dangerous for you or any Canadian hobbyist to hobby in the USA at this time. It is an election year which means LE is very active in an effort to show voters that they really are out there doing something. In Hartford, CT 2 days ago there was a major prostitution sting in which 12 people were arrested, including the top assistant coach for UConn's 2004 National Champion Men's Basketball team, whose crime was offering $10 to an undercover cop for a blow job. See this article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=1863293
All of you, please listen to me on this, DO NOT HOBBY in the USA until after the elections are over unless you know the SP in question. Do not even think about the SW scene. Wait until the elections are over, or do it in Canada. It is not worth the risks or the price.
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And check this out, a member of John Kerry's legal team also just got busted for patronizing a prostitute:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...0/ap_on_el_pr/michigan_democrats_solicitation
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...0/ap_on_el_pr/michigan_democrats_solicitation
This is a great question. Ive travelled to Amsterdam and Montreal, and really feel the US can benefit from these countrys relaxed sexual atmospheres. I think most sensible adults realize the need for sexual release, and it should not be so stigmatized here. Too much religous fervor here, and forced morality. I love this country,especially Ny, but my life would see much easier if I could see an SP here, instead of travelling hours away.
SL,
There were no French settlers in large numbers in the USA. Conversely I am not aware of large numbers of Puritans having settled in Canada. There is no French culture in the USA (except in New Orleans and southern Louisiana) because there are and were no French descendants to develop it. This is historical fact.
Indeed, what you call the 7 years war 1756-1763 in which the Battle of Montreal was fought and Montcalm killed, we call the "French and Indian War." That's how I learned it as a schoolboy, because it was us (Anglos in colonies and England) against Canada (French and Indians).
There were no French settlers in large numbers in the USA. Conversely I am not aware of large numbers of Puritans having settled in Canada. There is no French culture in the USA (except in New Orleans and southern Louisiana) because there are and were no French descendants to develop it. This is historical fact.
Indeed, what you call the 7 years war 1756-1763 in which the Battle of Montreal was fought and Montcalm killed, we call the "French and Indian War." That's how I learned it as a schoolboy, because it was us (Anglos in colonies and England) against Canada (French and Indians).
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Captain Renault,
Great post and major LOL on last 2 paragraphs!
It should be noted that Benedict Arnold & Ethan Allen and his Green Mountain Boys from Vermont were resposible for the stunning victory at the Battle of Saratoga which was the most important strategic victory early in the Revolutionary War. Legend has it that Ethan Allen and his Green Mountain Boys staged an early morning raid on Fort Ticonderoga which so startled the British with its boldness that they were forced to surrender the fort. If I recall my visit at Ticonderoga correctly, Allen personally banged on the door of the British commander of the fort who was in bed with his mistress and still asleep when the fort was taken. Allen said, "Get out of bed and surrender your weapons", or something like that (I think the actual quote was a lot more memorable).
Great post and major LOL on last 2 paragraphs!
It should be noted that Benedict Arnold & Ethan Allen and his Green Mountain Boys from Vermont were resposible for the stunning victory at the Battle of Saratoga which was the most important strategic victory early in the Revolutionary War. Legend has it that Ethan Allen and his Green Mountain Boys staged an early morning raid on Fort Ticonderoga which so startled the British with its boldness that they were forced to surrender the fort. If I recall my visit at Ticonderoga correctly, Allen personally banged on the door of the British commander of the fort who was in bed with his mistress and still asleep when the fort was taken. Allen said, "Get out of bed and surrender your weapons", or something like that (I think the actual quote was a lot more memorable).
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EB,
According to his published account of the capture of Ticonderoga (in 1779, four years after the fact), Allen claimed to have called on the British commander to surrender, "...in the name of the Great Jehovah and the Continental Congress!" Other accounts say that his words were more prosaic, such as "Come out, you Old Rat!", or even, "Surrender, you Sons of British Whores!". That last would, I suppose, put this whole thread more or less on topic.
BTW: I wonder how many Montrealers are aware that Montreal was occupied by Continental forces for about six months in 1775-76? Continental rather than US because the Brits kicked them out before the Declaration was signed. Historical research indicates that the Brits' main issue was that the Continentals were "driving up prices".
According to his published account of the capture of Ticonderoga (in 1779, four years after the fact), Allen claimed to have called on the British commander to surrender, "...in the name of the Great Jehovah and the Continental Congress!" Other accounts say that his words were more prosaic, such as "Come out, you Old Rat!", or even, "Surrender, you Sons of British Whores!". That last would, I suppose, put this whole thread more or less on topic.
BTW: I wonder how many Montrealers are aware that Montreal was occupied by Continental forces for about six months in 1775-76? Continental rather than US because the Brits kicked them out before the Declaration was signed. Historical research indicates that the Brits' main issue was that the Continentals were "driving up prices".
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Let me suggest that there be a scale for "gifts" for escorts etc according to where you have a Driver's Licence/ ID from. Let me suggest a scale for payment like for example:Ontario/Quebec residents: 100; Anywhere else in Canada :120;U.S residents:150. It's only fair since Canadians don't get anything back from U.S when they depart U.S and cme back to Canada. The extra "gift" to Sps is only fair since U.S residents get every provincial dollar back when leaving Canada.
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Azzaro,
Your analysis is incorrect. US residents do not automatically get a tax refund upon leaving Canada. You have to complete a laborious questionnaire, and it only applies to good and hotels not services, and only above $200. Furthermore, there is no refund on monies spent on SPs.
Your analysis is incorrect. US residents do not automatically get a tax refund upon leaving Canada. You have to complete a laborious questionnaire, and it only applies to good and hotels not services, and only above $200. Furthermore, there is no refund on monies spent on SPs.
I think Canadians don't understand the US government struture. There are strip clubs in the US you CAN touch. It depends on the state you are in and the laws of the state. In NJ you can have contact in non-alcohol establishments as long as the woman keeps her G-string on. I think NY, FL and PA laws are similar. Other states may also be similar. Alcohol establishments can lose their licenses if a client contacts a girl. So they have some non-alchohol places. I know places that skirt the law with back rooms. Full service goes on in the back rooms. Florida has a lot of these places. It is not legal, but they hardly ever get raided. They are careful before elections. Street prostitution is closely monitored when police departments have time to do so or residents complain.
States can pass laws allowing prostitution. Prostitution is not a federal crime, except for interstate trafficing. It is up to the state. Nevada allows counties to legalize prostitution. I never been to a bordello in Nevada, but I don't think it is cheap. I have no trouble finding incalls in the states. It takes looking around the boards and internet. I don't do it often and if I find a good source I stick to it.
Re: Re: Why U.S is not open sexually like Canada and Europe/Australia?
To reitirate, there is a seperation of powers in the US. Some things are under state jurisdiction, some county,some municipal and of course federal. An example would be murder. In some states you can be executed if found guilty, in other states, there is no death penalty. Yet the crime is the same.
Prostitution falls under state law, and state law in Nevada says it will let each county decide. Right now in Nevada, 11 of 17 counties have legal prostitution. That may be down to 10 counties after the residents of Churchill County vote on a local referendum soon. Nevada Brothels are pricing themselves out of reach of most normal guys. I live a very short distance from a couple brothels, and it can still be cheaper to fly to Montreal get a hotel room and have a nice quality visit with an SP than to spend 3 hours with a girl in Nevada.
To reitirate, there is a seperation of powers in the US. Some things are under state jurisdiction, some county,some municipal and of course federal. An example would be murder. In some states you can be executed if found guilty, in other states, there is no death penalty. Yet the crime is the same.
Prostitution falls under state law, and state law in Nevada says it will let each county decide. Right now in Nevada, 11 of 17 counties have legal prostitution. That may be down to 10 counties after the residents of Churchill County vote on a local referendum soon. Nevada Brothels are pricing themselves out of reach of most normal guys. I live a very short distance from a couple brothels, and it can still be cheaper to fly to Montreal get a hotel room and have a nice quality visit with an SP than to spend 3 hours with a girl in Nevada.
I've gotten away with quite a bit in US Strip clubs. (I live in California).
Depending on the girl, it is not unheard of for them to let you suck on their breasts, fondle them, etc.
I've had friends slip fingers into the girl, as long as it is the girl that initiates it.
The grinding and dry humping that take place in Los Angeles clubs are extremely common...
I know in NYC, where I have also frequented, they are a bit more strict.
Depending on the girl, it is not unheard of for them to let you suck on their breasts, fondle them, etc.
I've had friends slip fingers into the girl, as long as it is the girl that initiates it.
The grinding and dry humping that take place in Los Angeles clubs are extremely common...
I know in NYC, where I have also frequented, they are a bit more strict.
One word : Politics!
The politicians in the good old USA like to use morality as a vote getter. (Even though we all know that some of them get BJs and squirt jerk juice on to interns dresses, and wasn't there a Govenor that got his male assistant to give him BJs?)
Did you know that if terrorist did not attack the twin towers in NYC on September 11, 2001. President Bush had plans on sweeping new bills to present to congress to limit porn on the internet? The Justice department had already spent over 3 billion dollars doing reasearch on that project at that time. This little project was to show the American public that President Bush was a president with "Morals", and this would have been his stepping stone into a second term as president.
All that can be had here in Montreal can be had in the USA, but because it is clandesdine and hidden the price of these services go sky high.
The politicians in the good old USA like to use morality as a vote getter. (Even though we all know that some of them get BJs and squirt jerk juice on to interns dresses, and wasn't there a Govenor that got his male assistant to give him BJs?)
Did you know that if terrorist did not attack the twin towers in NYC on September 11, 2001. President Bush had plans on sweeping new bills to present to congress to limit porn on the internet? The Justice department had already spent over 3 billion dollars doing reasearch on that project at that time. This little project was to show the American public that President Bush was a president with "Morals", and this would have been his stepping stone into a second term as president.
All that can be had here in Montreal can be had in the USA, but because it is clandesdine and hidden the price of these services go sky high.
Quite interresting reading the above.
As a Canadian living in Montreal and having travelled a lot around the world after all those years, I have to admit that the best outcalls I have had over the years were indeed in New York! And this from looking for services through the Yellow Pages!!!!!!!
Weird! I don't know!
Was I lucky? May be!
And much cheaper that London or Paris or Tokyo..or Athen!...or even Toronto ..or Vancouver!! ..or Saskatoon!!!!!
As a Canadian living in Montreal and having travelled a lot around the world after all those years, I have to admit that the best outcalls I have had over the years were indeed in New York! And this from looking for services through the Yellow Pages!!!!!!!
Weird! I don't know!
Was I lucky? May be!
And much cheaper that London or Paris or Tokyo..or Athen!...or even Toronto ..or Vancouver!! ..or Saskatoon!!!!!
J. Peterman said:
This is quite true. However, in the past, before I stopped hobbying on a regular basis in the USA, I used the fact of my Montreal hobbying to leverage better deals with SPs over here. For example, when I told one Connecticut SP that I usually hobbied in Montreal and rarely repeated with any SP in the USA (in response to her telling me she would be pleased to see me again some time), she emailed me later that night and told me her fee would be $100 less if I wanted to see her again some time. I have found that the SPs over here know about Montreal and its reputation, and fear they can't compete when they are told that you are a Montreal regular.
Ahhhh, the art of negotiation when you are good at it and know what to say.
Regarding NYC, it has a tremendous population of gorgeous young women and aspiring actresses and models, and the economics of living in the the Big Apple force many of these young babes to become SPs to pay the rent. But the good deals are few and far between, because rents in NYC are VERY high.
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