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EagerBeaver

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In my mind the biggest shock in the last 10 years was "Shakespeare in Love" winning over "Saving Private Ryan". I still feel that there should be a recall vote on that one, and also on "Forrest Gump" winning over "Pulp Fiction", which was the best film not to have won the best picture Oscar in the last 25 years. I liked "Forrest Gump", and it deserved to be nominated, but it should not have won over the defining Tarantino masterpiece.
 

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Just heard on TSN's OTR:

"The trade deadline is Thursday at 3pm. The TSN team will be there working as hard as Salma Hayek's bra last night at the Oscars."
 

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EagerBeaver said:
In my mind the biggest shock in the last 10 years was "Shakespeare in Love" winning over "Saving Private Ryan". I still feel that there should be a recall vote on that one, and also on "Forrest Gump" winning over "Pulp Fiction", which was the best film not to have won the best picture Oscar in the last 25 years. I liked "Forrest Gump", and it deserved to be nominated, but it should not have won over the defining Tarantino masterpiece.

I agree with you on all counts. I completely forgot about 'Shakespeare in Love'....saw it once and it was okay. Found it to be a movie which women would appreciate more than men would. As for 'Saving Private Ryan'....truly a classic. But i'm not surprised it didn't win....don't forget that in 1942, the Academy awarded the Best Picture to 'How Green Was My Valley' over one of the greatest movies ever made, 'Citizen Kane'. A couple of years earlier, a movie by the name of 'Rebecca' won over 'The Grapes of Wrath'.
 

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Doc,

I agree that there were no blockbusters but people will remember this year as a total surprise year. It will go down as a great trivia year: Which was the biggest surprise in the Academy's history?

Anyways the adjective that keeps coming to my mind is lacklustre...

GG

The lack of true (financial) blockbusters for 2005 may signal a much-needed change in Hollywood, as one of the most expensive films ever, King Kong (budget north of $200 million) still has yet to generate a comfortable profit. Next summer's crop of frighteningly expensive popcorn blockbusters (Superman, Spider-Man and Miami Vice [?!?], each at over 250$ Million), could literally rewrite the way Hollywood makes movies if none of them generates a substancial profit...

250$ million ?!?:eek: (where does all that money go?)

What scares me as a filmgoer, as much as i love a good summer blockbuster, the older generation of oscar-worthy filmmakers have more trouble than ever securing their financing (I think of Ridley Scott, Milos Forman,Terry Gilliam, etc.), while those i consider hack directors keep on butchering what might otherwise have been a decent film ( I could name so many examples...).

If it were still financially possible, a socially-conscious revolution such as the one in 70's cinema could be the panacea the movie industry so desperately needs, where so many thought-provoquing films rose up and forever secured their place in film history, such as Network, Shaft, All the President's Men, Norma Rae, Serpico, and so many others...

It will be interesting to see how 2006 shapes up...
 

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And the freaking guy who groped her is a clothing designer who is openly gay, meaning this was one of the most misguided and wasted gropes in Hollywood history!
 

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Apart from Glenn Close (who even has a man's name!) Nicole Kidman is the most sexless actress alive. The reverse is true of Salma Hayek, who is one hot tamale!
 

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What I find is the main cause of declining box office numbers is the never ending parade of remakes, sequels and tv show movies. The industry is content to blame it on piracy which is pure bullshit. The major market for piracy occurs in Asia where an original DVD would cost a month's salary so the industry isn't losing any income there. No fan of movies would ever settle for a camcorder recording of the latest movie. Give us a quality, original film and people will go to see it. Not to mention the fact that it costs around 50$ for two people to see a movie when you include popcorn and a softdrink, going to a movie is no longer cheap entertainment. Then again there's always dollar cinema. Everything for a buck.:D
 

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Techman said:
What I find is the main cause of declining box office numbers is the never ending parade of remakes, sequels and tv show movies. Give us a quality, original film and people will go to see it.

Another problem with the film industry (there are many, though...) is that the studios are no longer run by filmmakers, as they used to be. They are now run by businessmen, beancounters and lawyers who feel the constant need to pitch in their own 2 cents instead of relying on the filmmaker's vision, then lose their balls and rely on random focus groups to dismantle their films. For example, if Brian DePalma were to shoot SCARFACE today, he couldn't kill off Tony Montana in such a classic bloodbath, and Martin Scorcese would be forced to tone down quite a bit of the GODFATHER's violence (just look at GANGS OF NEW YORK for a clear example of a once great director being muzzled into submission...)

I laugh when i read on the back of DVD boxes to see "alternate ending" staring back at me (like in the movie 28 DAYS LATER), because the studio felt the need for a happier ending.

I mentioned in a previous post about the great '70's films such as All the President's Men and others, and i sigh to think about how it is almost impossible today to see many films with an overt political viewpoint (look at the outrage over Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 911) that don't freak out the populace... Anyone remember the great MISSING that dealt with political unrest in Chile? The last truly thought-provoking film of this stripe that I remember has to be JFK by Oliver Stone (ALEXANDER, Olie? I should slap you!)
and that was over 12 years ago...

The bottom line is, until the studio heads stop playing it safe and actually grow back some teeth, we are all in for a few more years of mediocre films...
 

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shijak said:
I mentioned in a previous post about the great '70's films such as All the President's Men and others, and i sigh to think about how it is almost impossible today to see many films with an overt political viewpoint (look at the outrage over Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 911) that don't freak out the populace... Anyone remember the great MISSING that dealt with political unrest in Chile? The bottom line is, until the studio heads stop playing it safe and actually grow back some teeth, we are all in for a few more years of mediocre films.

One big problem is that there are too many films being made. I don't know what the ratio is as compared to 15 years ago, but it must be incredible! I blame this on VCR's and DVD's. I agree that today's film executives lack guts. Why wasn't a documentary such as 'Control Room' been more successful in our area of the world? Because it had major political overtones. It was a movie that the US government cringed at. As for the movie 'Missing', i still watch it once in a while when it plays. It's the kind of movie (starring Jack Lemmon and Sissy Spacek) that i can watch over and over again. It's one of the first movies ever made, i believe, which exposes all the political meddling by the CIA/US gov't. It makes you wonder while watching such movies (another i like is 'Salvador'): "Who exactly are the good guys? Was i fooled all along?"
 

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Doc Holliday said:
One big problem is that there are too many films being made. I don't know what the ratio is as compared to 15 years ago, but it must be incredible! I blame this on VCR's and DVD's. I agree that today's film executives lack guts. Why wasn't a documentary such as 'Control Room' been more successful in our area of the world? Because it had major political overtones. It was a movie that the US government cringed at. As for the movie 'Missing', i still watch it once in a while when it plays. It's the kind of movie (starring Jack Lemmon and Sissy Spacek) that i can watch over and over again. It's one of the first movies ever made, i believe, which exposes all the political meddling by the CIA/US gov't. It makes you wonder while watching such movies (another i like is 'Salvador'): "Who exactly are the good guys? Was i fooled all along?"

That is so true. Have you ever noticed the number of films that are released directly on DVD with no theatrical run at all? It's incredible. Even former big name stars such as Stallone have released straight to video films in the last few years and Steven Segall can't get a film released in theatres but has released a number of DVD titles. It's the same with the music industry. There is just too much product on the market and little of it is any good. Is it any wonder that there is a good market for classic films on DVD? Comedies and films in general are totally dumbed down so that the average brain dead individual can understand what's going on. Give me a classic Marilyn Monroe comedy or a Hitchcock film such as North by Northwest over the crap being released these days any day of the week.
 

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Right on Techman! North By Northwest was made 47 years ago and it absolutely SHUTS DOWN anything from today! The same could be said for Hitchcock's The 39 Steps which was made 70 years ago!
 

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Jon Stewart

The jury is out : Jon Stewart sucked big time. He's a classless prick anyway.

Where is Billy Cristal when he is needed?
 

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CryWolf said:
The jury is out : Jon Stewart sucked big time. He's a classless prick anyway.

What? You didn't like the Cheney joke?


Stewart: "We have just learned very bad news. Bjork will not be able to attend the awards tonight. While putting on her dress, she was accidently shot by Dick Cheney."

(a few years ago, she caused a furor by attending the Oscars dressed like a swan)
 

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Doc Holliday said:
What? You didn't like the Cheney joke?


Stewart: "We have just learned very bad news. Bjork will not be able to attend the awards tonight. While putting on her dress, she was accidently shot by Dick Cheney."

(a few years ago, she caused a furor by attending the Oscars dressed like a swan)


Doc,

I agree with you, he is a comic genius! But like Letterman, he rubs people the wrong way so they dismiss him as a prick.

GG
 
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