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DUMPTHEPUCK said:
ainey will say that we have a strong team and has confidence and wasn't interested in getting anyone this year.....therefor dandenault will stay with the habs as a healthy scratch unless somebody gets injured.....

Okay. 30 minutes to go before the deadline. Why would Gainey hang on to Dandenault when he has no need for him? Even getting a 4th or 5th round pick for him would be a positive thing.

Montreal is a team in trouble. Over the past week, we've seen a mirage, thanks to the unbelievable goaltending of Jaroslav Halak. But he won't be able to keep it up on a regular basis. The guy is simply not a bonafide #1 goalie (yet) and i'm guarantee you that he won't stand on his head every single night. Plus the fact the team doesn't want to showcase him as a #1 goalie for fear of negatively affecting Price's psyche. He's basically in limbo. It's like he has a gun to his head: keep on winning & you're in. As soon as you lose or have a bad game, you're back on the bench until Price falters badly.

Montreal has trouble scoring goals & its defence couldn't stop the Lithuanian army right now. Their key forwards are aging & slowing down & their defence has been allowing 40+ shots on goal on a regular basis. Teams with those numbers simply can't win games on a regular basis.
 

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Doc Holliday said:
Okay. 30 minutes to go before the deadline. Why would Gainey hang on to Dandenault when he has no need for him? Even getting a 4th or 5th round pick for him would be a positive thing.

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Hey Doc,

like i said no trades by the canadiens....dandenault still with montreal and the reason is NOBODY wants him. gainey even offerd him for free and nobody bit....he say's that he's comfertable with what he has now....what do you have to say about that.....

dtp
 

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Un-f#^#^believable!!!!!!!!!

Boring Bob doesn't make a single deal today!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

My prediction:

THE HABS WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, FINISHING EITHER 9TH OR 10TH IN THE FINAL SEASON STANDINGS.

BYE-BYE HABS........I'LL ACTUALLY MISS YA IN THE PLAYOFFS!!

Not!!!!!!!!!!! :D
 

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DUMPTHEPUCK said:
Hey Doc,like i said no trades by the canadiens....dandenault still with montreal and the reason is NOBODY wants him. gainey even offerd him for free and nobody bit....he say's that he's comfertable with what he has now....what do you have to say about that.....
You're right. Nobody wanted him. Sad.

Jacques Demers said it best today that many of the Habs players are over-evaluated & today was the proof when nobody wanted any of them on their rosters at the prices Boring Bob Gainey was asking for them.

Winners today: Toronto, Ottawa, Buffalo, Florida, NY Rangers, Boston, Calgary & Edmonton.

Losers: Montreal & a handful of other teams.
 
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Bullshit

Doc Holliday said:
You're right. Nobody wanted him. Sad.

Jacques Demers said it best today that many of the Habs players are over-evaluated & today was the proof when nobody wanted any of them on their rosters at the prices Boring Bob Gainey was asking for them.

Winners today: Toronto, Ottawa, Buffalo, Florida, NY Rangers, Boston, Calgary & Edmonton.

Losers: Montreal & a handful of other teams.


what i can't stand is when gainey goes to the reporter's and say's that he's confident in his team.....BULLSHIT there's nothing to be confident with....we have a team of babies. we should of done a major make over...it's so funny that nobody talk's about the desaster the month of february but talk only about the 4 games they just won. our defence is not solid, were letting min 40 shots per game. offense is not klicking at all, 1 out of 3 or 4 games. thank god the power play is alive but for hoe long.... tsn said it well, " the one thing that montreal has to look forward to is there 101 anniversary". playoffs, montreal will make it but 2nd round will be a dream come true, never mind stanley cup. practically every team improved that are running or in the playoffs. we should of done something, players were traded just for draft picks.....wow i wanna see price shine today, and the trios infront produce actual goals 5 on 5 because if that doesn't happen there will be lot's of heat on gainey.


dtp
 

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The "they suddenly are better because they made a trade!" argument is just as silly, in most cases, as the "well geez they didn't do anything so they suck!". The only team that made a real impact are the Flames (and long term Phoenix).
 
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DUMPTHEPUCK said:
it's so funny that nobody talk's about the desaster the month of february but talk only about the 4 games they just won. our defence is not solid, were letting min 40 shots per game. offense is not klicking at all, 1 out of 3 or 4 games. thank god the power play is alive but for how long....

dtp

By picking february as your barometer for team performance, aren't you doing the exact same thing as those who rely only on the past 4 games? How about we go before that when the Habs were 10-2-1 without Koivu and Tanguay, without a PP, and with average goaltending? Fans have a very short memory...

1 or 2 trades would not have turned the Habs into cup contenders. And to use an old cliche, sometimes the best trade is the one you don't make.
 

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10-19 said:
No trade is better than bad trades.

Let's not forget that Tanguay and Latendresse are returning soon.

Lang's return sometimes during the playoffs is another possibility.

Wow! I forgot these two were about to return. These two demi-gods should make a heck of a difference in the Habs lineup! :rolleyes:

As for Lang, the soonest he'd return is during the 2nd round of the playoffs if the Habs even get there (i predict they won't even make the playoffs). The 3rd round of the playoffs is a more likely possibility. However, his impact would be minor (in my opinion) since he wouldn't have played any hockey for 2-3 months. Let's not forget that an injury of the type he had can be a career ender in many cases.
 
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10-19 said:
Laughs: adds to its roster Bolts' waste basket corpses 38 y/o, 8GP, 3.66 GAA Olaf Kolzig to it's crew of geriatric goalies, healthy scratch list permanent member and old Jamie Heward, 6'5'' rearguard, good skater yet no offensive potential prospect Andy Rogers and a 4th round pick. They also got Rangers' 2nd round pick and a conditional draft pick and Buffalo's 2nd round pick as well.

Uh.....I guess you weren't watching tv today. Most of the sports stations all were pretty much in agreement with my picks.

As for the Leafs/Bolts trade, it was all about dumping players on one side & adding a draft pick on the other. Toronto has millions available under the cap, so they could take on the Bolts' excess baggage & get a pick & so-so prospect in return. Kolzig & Heward are out for the year, by the way. I doubt they'll be with the team next year, although Heward might see playing time with the Marlies. Kolzig isnt' part of their plans.
 
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10-19 said:
Koivu played his best hockey this year with Tanguay alongside.
Also Lapierre, Latendresse and Kostopulos was a very good energy line.

Koivu is a finished player & likely wouldn't be with the Habs if it weren't for the team feeling sorry for him (he got cancer a few years ago). He's also way overpaid & nobody wants him. He's a finished player who's reached the end of the rope.

As for Tanguay, overpaid also & he'll be gone at season's end. Good riddance!

As for Lappy, Tenderfoot & Kosto, yep, they're a very good 'energy' line, as you put it. However, that's the problem with the Habs. Too many 'energy line' type players & not enough goal scorers.
 

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And Doc resumes his "they (Habs players) suck and they are overpaid" routine" but he claims that the bunch of average Joe's that got traded today make a lot of teams "winners". Go figure.

How many "goal scorers" were traded today?
 

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Doc Holliday said:
Koivu is a finished player & likely wouldn't be with the Habs if it weren't for the team feeling sorry for him (he got cancer a few years ago). He's also way overpaid & nobody wants him. He's a finished player who's reached the end of the rope. ...

Koivu has more integrity and heart than the entire Leafs roster for the last 10 years combined. The guy gives everything he has everytime he plays. Of all the professional athletes in the world today he is one of the few who can actually be considered a role model for young kids to look up to.

The Leafs could never attract such a quality player to join their hapless and hopeless team.
 

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Techman said:
Koivu has more integrity and heart than the entire Leafs roster for the last 10 years combined.
The Leafs could never attract such a quality player to join their hapless and hopeless team.

What does this have to do with the Leafs? I'll say it again: if Koivu never had cancer, he wouldn't be a Hab today. Actually, he would have been gone years ago.

p.s. Go Bruins go!!!!!!!!
 

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10-19 said:
Wow! All this dumping and taking on excess baggage with no future plans for it sound very winner. :rolleyes:

You don't seem to understand some of the basics in building a successful hockey franchise. Let me explain. The Leafs are in rebuilding mode. They fully know they have zero chances of making the playoffs. The have a couple of unrestricted free agents on their roster. They do not want to re-sign them at the prices their agents are asking for them. Antropov & Dom Moore weren't going to be Maple Leafs next season, and they were unrestricted free agents. Same with Ponikorovski. Instead of getting nothing for them, and because the Leafs won't make the playoffs anyway, Burkie managed to obtain two 2nd round picks for them. He almost had Poni traded but ran out of time. The Leafs are in rebuilding mode & are planning to be competitive in 2-3 years. Their plan is to obtain as many draft picks as possible in the upcoming drafts & unload as much salary & future unrestricted free agents as possible. They also hope to finish as far down in the standings as they can this season since they'll want to get into the lottery for the 1st overall pick, likely to be either John Tavares or Victor Hedman, two bonafide franchise players in the mold of Syd Crosby & Evgeny Malkin, among others. The only season they'll tank is this one. Next season's crop is so-so.

The Toronto Maple Leafs still some have excess salary in the form of Jason Blake & Pavel Kubina. Tomas Kaberle doesn't fit in this category since at just over $4 million per season with 2 more seasons to go on his contract, he's considered to be a bargain in today's NHL for a quality puck-moving defenceman of his type. If he'd be on the market today, he'd easily go for $6 million plus. So the chances are good that they'll hang on to him or trade him after June 1st if they receive a 'can't miss' offer for him. Same thing with Pav Kubina. Both of them have no movement clauses in their contracts, but these clauses expire on June 1st as long as the Leafs don't make the playoffs.

The Leafs want to keep their budget as low as possible in order to buy themselves some draft picks for the future. They'll be able to do this by taking on some of the other teams' excess baggage in exchange for draft picks & prospects, like we saw today with the Tampa trade. That's why Burkie has kept the team budget well over the cap all season long. It's basically a loophole in order to purchase draft picks.

Stick to 'Boxing', 10-19.

Just kidding...........;)
 
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Techman said:
Koivu has more integrity and heart than the entire Leafs roster for the last 10 years combined. The guy gives everything he has everytime he plays. Of all the professional athletes in the world today he is one of the few who can actually be considered a role model for young kids to look up to.

So every athlete who's been afflicted by cancer has integrity & heart now. Okay. That's your opinion. But let's not forget that this little....whatever....was responsible for the Habs getting rid of Mike Ribeiro, who would likely be the best Hab player right now if he were still with the team. Koivu, who never should have been named captain in the first place, hated Ribeiro with a passion & put pressure on management to get rid of him & his buddies. This turned back the franchise by 10 years or more. He's also getting paid way too high considering what he brings in terms of production & leadership (which is nil). Plus, he's always hurt & never attained his potential.

The Habs should have got rid of him a long time ago & would have been better off for it. Of course, we know the real reasons why they felt nearly obligated to hold onto him. And by the way, his brother Mika is way better than he is.
 

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10-19 said:
Thanks Doc for the explanation. You're a true genius. Don't go changing just to please me, I tumble for you. Keep them coming.

Oh-oh, he's angry again. :rolleyes:
 
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