Windows Vista Out Tomorrow

[bond_james_bond]

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I think I'll wait until:

a) The bugs are fixed
b) The price goes down
c) I get a new PC that can actually run it
d) Software is actually available for it

I guess I won't be holding my breath.

 

[Big Bee]

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I'll wait too.. ... specially for the bugs... wonder how many "fixes" are going to get out in the next few months..

 

[Greeker]

bond_james_bond I think I'll wait until:
a) The bugs are fixed
b) The price goes down
c) I get a new PC that can actually run it
d) Software is actually available for it
I guess I won't be holding my breath.

After I dont know how many years, since windows 3.1 I have been a microsoft disciple... since a couple of years a friend often told me to go with macintosh and I always taught it was crap.

I got an Imac 3 months ago and NEVER, NEVER again I will go with Bill Gate's crap. Never had to reboth for any bugs since I have my Imac. Good prce to!

Adios microsoft may it RIP in hell.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

I got an Imac 3 months ago and NEVER, NEVER again I will go with Bill Gate's crap. Never had to reboth for any bugs since I have my Imac.

Apple has a long history of disappointing Mac users by rarely releasing a new operating system when promised. Their policy of not releasing a new operating system until the bugs have been worked out and it is actually ready for release is one that Microsoft might consider themselves.

I run three Macs in my business and two in my home. Since Apple release OS X in 2001, I have a combined 30 years of operation without a system crash.

 

[Techman]

I've been running Vista for a month now and have yet to encounter any bugs at all. Most systems built during the last two years should have no problem running it as long as you have a half way decent video card and preferably 1 GB of Ram, though it will run with 512 MB. This is probably the most tested operating system ever released by any manufacturer. You may have some driver issues with printers and other peripherals as the manufacturers don't have drivers ready for everything yet, but that is the only problem I've come across.

Any program that is certified to run on XP will run on Vista with no problems at all.
Don't expect the price to come down. If anyone finds the retail price too high you can go to most computer shops and pick up a OEM copy for a cheaper price instead.

As for the war between Macs and PCs, I prefer to be able to choose what components are in my system and customize it the way I wish. This is impossible with a Mac as you are in a locked technology. I also play computer games, something that is also next to impossible on a Mac. Macs are good machines if they meet your needs, but they don't meet mine.

PS: If you are running XP and have no problems, it does everything you need it to do, you really have no reason to upgrade until Vista only programs come out. And that won't happen for quite a while except for a couple of games coming out. Or if you have constant virus and spyware problems Vista is worth going to as it is a much more secure OS. But it's not an absolutely necessary upgrade.

 

[Fat Happy Buddha]

As for the war between Macs and PCs, I prefer to be able to choose what components are in my system and customize it the way I wish. This is impossible with a Mac as you are in a locked technology. I also play computer games, something that is also next to impossible on a Mac. Macs are good machines if they meet your needs, but they don't meet mine.

This pretty much sums up the reason I stick with PCs. A lot of the programs I use in my work aren't available for a Mac. I always try to use non-MS software (i.e. my browser is Opera; Sylpheed is my email client) but I don't really have the option of switching to Mac or Linux.

PS: If you are running XP and have no problems, it does everything you need it to do, you really have no reason to upgrade until Vista only programs come out. And that won't happen for quite a while except for a couple of games coming out. Or if you have constant virus and spyware problems Vista is worth going to as it is a much more secure OS. But it's not an absolutely necessary upgrade.

Thanks for your advice. I've found XP to be very stable....a big improvement over Win98. I plan on sticking with XP for the next 6-12 months, during which time I will gradually make the necessary upgrades to my system (primarily video card) before switching to Vista.

 

[Ben Dover]

My current XP box has been running (continuously) since 2002. The only time it has been turned off is if the power went out, or if I go away for a week or more vacation. During that time, while running dozens of large concurrent applications, and having an average of 15-20 windows open at any given time, the OS has only crashed once. No doubt Microsoft has come a LONG way in the last 10 years.. Win 95 was a nightmare, Win 98 was almost worse, 2000 was marginally better -- but with XP I feel that they finally delivered. I see no need to go to Vista for at least a year. I'm happy to let nice guys (like Techman) work out all the bugs for the rest of us!

Thanks!!

BD

 

[Techman]

The main reason that Macs seem to be more stable than PCs is that Apple systems are basically a closed architecture...one manufacturer and few variations in hardware components. When it comes to PCs, there are almost unlimited variations of the same class of computer. The fact that windows works as well as it does on such a variety of machines is an amazing accomplishment.

 

[metoo4]

Techman is right. Easy to get an extremely stable system when you control all that goes in.

For those thinking MS-98 had problems, there's worst that was released after: MS-Millenium!

I run XP on all my home and desktop business machines. Only time there's problems is with software not designed for XP/2000 engine or for some no-name/cheap hardware.

Bugs should be fixed before any OS is fixed but Microsoft doesn't do this. That's the only major problem I see.

Most peoples/business don't need Vista if XP does what they need.

With prices of computers these days, it could be more expensive, when all is accounted for, to upgrade a computer than buy a new one.

If I can get a free copy of Vista, I'll install it, for the fun of it, on 1 non mission-critical machine. Besides this, I'll wait till I have no choice.

 

[Techman]

Oh man! Windows Millenium has to be the absolute worst OS ever released by any company in history! We sold exactly one machine with it installed and refused to sell another one.

One thing that some people may be interested in: if you upgrade or buy a system with Vista Ultimate, the top level version, you can download language packs which will allow you to install a variety of different languages on your system, up to 18 at the moment. This way you can easily have a totally bilingual system, which will allow you to choose which language you want Windows to run in. I believe that Office 2007 will also have the same option available as Office 2003 has it. This could be very useful for multilingual families when different users prefer to have windows in a particular language. It's also a great way for people to practice when they're learning a new language.

 

[Porter]

Core Apple architecture is based on a Linux OS shell. M$ has been bleeding us for decades, and all the while shifting development and programming to India and Pakistan.

Beta testing virtually non-existant and the lack or will to have an type of secure platform should have most of you reconsidering M$ OS. Mac and Linux flavors are very good candidates, while some are free.

The system requirements for Vista are ;

minimum 1g mem, so you power users think more in the 2 and 4 gig range. yes the graphics are cool, but Fedora 6 which is free has the Vista feel to it and looks awesome.

Ohh BTW Linux = no viruses

Porter

 

[Techman]

Porter, the thought of the average user loading and using linux is absolutely ridiculous. Most home users can't even configure an e-mail account much less install and setup Linux! Even experienced users and technicians have problems with getting drivers to work properly, when drivers are even available. Not to mention the fact that you can't run mainstream programs and just about no games on the Linux kernal.

Linux is for geeks that are too cheap to pay for their software. And people who write MS as M$ are the first people who would jump at a job offer from Microsoft. It's amazing how people blame Microsoft for being successful.

Here's a quote from an article that was written by a fan of Linux:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,2063126,00.asp

Far too many Linux users are enmeshed in a twisted culture of entitlement that reinforces a self-righteous sense that software makers should give them products for free. These self-interested parasites are part of the reason why there isn't much game development happening for Linux (with the exception of uber-rich game makers like Id who have the luxury of being so successful that they can support Linux out of sheer amusement if nothing else). One is forced to ask a painful but important question: How many Linux gamers are on welfare? The answer could explain a lot...perhaps these software welfare queens should get off the dole and seek gainful employment instead? Maybe then they'd have some cash to spend on games for Linux?

It's way, way past time for Linux users to understand that there are costs associated with creating games (and other software) and that sometimes you have to pay up to get what you want. There's no such thing as a free lunch and there never will be. Break out your credit cards guys or sit there and drool while the latest and greatest games appear for Windows or the Mac but not for Linux. Don't like it? Tough bungies. Change the culture around Linux and perhaps game developers will support the platform. Got that? Let me repeat it for those "special" Linux users unable to put down their bongs and focus on reading for a moment...stop being parasites and start coughing up some money. While you're at it, be sure to move out of your parent's basement and get a job too, slackers!

For me, that says it all!

Edit: By the way...Microsoft programming and developement is done in Redmond, Washington. Not India or elsewhere.

 

[Porter]

Techman,

I have no problem in paying for professional software that works! Vista is out after humm 5 years of development and yet home users are still seeing blue screens, system crashes and a multitude of bugs.

This board is powered by Vbulletin, not too many crashes here.

M$ lost my vote many moons ago when it tried to muscle its way with Exploder. Not to mention hidden strobes registering home systems and software deployed.

But my main concern is security, and reliability.. None of these features are quite apparent in any M$ release.


Linux is an OS same OS in fact that Mac users are enjoying.. Drivers, there are plenty of drivers, but drivers that work and work well.

Some will prefer Windows because of ease of use and thats their choice. But do not come around pushing M$ crap down my throat.

ohhh here is soemthing.

Imagine being able to work on products across all business groups of Microsoft. You can do it here at the Microsoft India Development Center! The MSIDC is Microsoft's second product development center outside USA. Recognized as an industry leader, MSIDC and its developer teams are working on the frontiers of innovation; incubating technologies and products which impact millions of Microsoft customers.

MSIDC has developed and released many core products and technologies to the world-wide market since its inception. One of the unique aspects about MSIDC is the end-to-end responsibility teams in India that have been set up for every product, feature or technology they develop. These teams own the strategy, gather customer requirements (no matter where they are in the world), create multi-version release plans, architect, design, test and release the software product to the market. MSIDC has one fourth of its engineers working on Windows Vista and Longhorn Server. The center has also established itself as a mobility center of excellence having full responsibility for Office Communicator Mobile, SQL Server 2005 Everywhere Edition, Office Mobile and Visual Studio for Devices.

The Microsoft RFID platform, now under development at Hyderabad, was successfully incubated by MSIDC. The center fully develops the Data Protection Manager product, and the business leadership is also with the team in Hyderabad. The teams have added many significant features to Visual Studio, Visual Studio Team System, Windows One Care Live, MS-CRM, developed platform components for MSN and developed expertise on Real Time Collaboration, Education, Gaming and Serviceability businesses. They also demonstrated their expertise in integration of Microsoft Office applications with back-end ERP systems by developing Microsoft Dynamics SNAP and Duet for Microsoft Office and SAP.

from http://www.microsoft.com/india/indiadev/

Porter

 

[Techman]

Oral, there's a big difference betwen Linux drivers and Window's drivers. Most Linux drivers do not come from the hardware manufacturers or from whatever company put out the Linux version. They come from the open source community and there is no guarantee of the quality or if they will even work at all.

Linux is great if you want to run a file server or a web server or use it as a firewall. But it is very far from being an OS that the general public will be able to use as their primary system. Linux is free, as is most of the software that runs on it, and as with many things in life...you get what you pay for.

PS: I got my start on Unix, AIX and CP/M systems, well before Microsoft even existed.

 

[Techman]

Vista is out after humm 5 years of development and yet home users are still seeing blue screens, system crashes and a multitude of bugs.

Really? A multitude of bugs and system crashes and blue screens? Where did you get this info from? Considering that the product has been on the market for exactly 1 day! Maybe they shouldn't have tried running it on a Mac using boot camp. That's besides the fact that there are no 'blue screens' in Vista.

You talk about security and reliability, well you obviously haven't gone near Vista at all then. It's the most secure OS that Microsoft has ever put out, short of server software. But you'll probably be one of those that complain that it's to strict in it's enforcement.

In 5 years of running XP on my home system, I have never had a crash or a virus. The majority of system problems can be put directly at the feet of the users, or on PC vendors who use the cheapest components possible to build and sell systems at a cheap price.

I'm not trying to put down Linux, or Macs. They each have their uses and their followers. So be it. The fact of the matter is that Windows is by far the most used OS in the world and nothing is going to change that for a very long time. If you don't want to use it, fine. But to attack it out of hand because you don't like Microsoft is a childish and immature reaction.

 

[Porter]

Techman,

Your right its immature of me to discuss operating systems with you!

Enjoy

Porter

 

[picaron]

Techman,

Your right its immature of me to discuss operating systems with you!

Enjoy

Porter

After reading the thread, yours is the first immature reply.

Techman makes valid points and you call him immature for it?

 

[Techman]

Check this page out for some great examples of the kind of computer users that exist out there in the wild. This is why computer techs go insane.

http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/

 

[Salmacis]

By the way...Microsoft programming and developement is done in Redmond, Washington. Not India or elsewhere.

Is that supposed to make it a better quality product? come on...people like you were laughing at Honda's in the early 1970's.
If you think along those lines, I know an SP at A&C that you just have to meet

Here's yet another view on VI$TA: http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3513_7-6689143-1.html?tag=nl.e501

 

[mtl.male]

Linux is great if you want to run a file server or a web server or use it as a firewall. But it is very far from being an OS that the general public will be able to use as their primary system. Linux is free, as is most of the software that runs on it, and as with many things in life...you get what you pay for.

Linux is getting much better. Ubuntu is easy to install and works very well. Oracle just released a version of RedHat which also works nicely.
For an experienced M$ user, Linux can be a steep learning curve (as I am finding out), but once you are there, it's a LOT cheaper than Windows and works much better.